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Old February 13th, 2007, 11:33 AM   #701
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1. I'm not English Heritage so loose the attitude.
Only one person on this thread appears to have 'attitude'

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Tubeman implied that English Heritage considered historic buildings would be destroyed to be replaced by skyscrapers. I've been enough stupid to simply restore facts about their position as it is.
I was responding to allan_dude's post (hence his post was quoted above mine, a bit of a clue)... I didn't even mention EH. I have noticed a misconception amongst some foreign forumers who haven't seen 'The City' first-hand that historical old buildings are being demolished to make way for skyscrapers, I was merely pointing out this isn't the case, and that we're often losing some pretty gross postwar lumps in order to clear the way for beautiful towers. The only instance of anything remotely historical being demolished to make way for a skyscraper in the past 10 years was the Baltic Exchange for SwissRe, but that building was already damaged beyond repair by the IRA.

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And only because of this, half a dozen londoners are assaulting me as if it was my opinion ! The only thing that I know now is that I'll never again post in this thread.
Oh please! Assaulting? Re-read this thread... nobody has 'assaulted' you, they're merely disagreeing with you politely.
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Old February 13th, 2007, 05:13 PM   #702
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Published 13 February 2007 at 11:39

Popularchitecture dreams up
mile-high skyscraper for London





These are the first pictures of an extraordinary concept scheme for a mammoth mile-high tower in London capable of housing more than 100,000 people.

Drawn up by Popularchitecture, the giant skyscraper would be three times larger than anything ever built in the capital and would create 12 new ‘villages’ in the sky.

As well as homes, the 1,500m-tall tower has also been designed to contain all the infrastructure needed for such a large population, including schools, hospitals, shops and pubs.

At the centre of the structure would be a ‘vast internal void’ lit by circular openings every 20 storeys. Each of these ‘holes’ would be used as either public squares or for specialist activities such as ice skating, botanic gardens or swimming pools.

Practice founder Tom Teatum admits the scheme’s scale is verging on ‘almost unbelievable proportions’ but insists there are developers who are interested, ‘in particular because of minimal land value in relation to accommodation’.

He said: ‘Occupying a scale far beyond anything that currently exists in London, the tower would allow the city’s population to expand without significant impact to the architectural fabric on the ground.’

The practice also envisages the possibility that a whole series of the towers could be built.









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Old February 13th, 2007, 05:32 PM   #703
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lol EH will love that
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Old February 13th, 2007, 05:33 PM   #704
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I was responding to allan_dude's post (hence his post was quoted above mine, a bit of a clue)... I didn't even mention EH. I have noticed a misconception amongst some foreign forumers who haven't seen 'The City' first-hand that historical old buildings are being demolished to make way for skyscrapers, I was merely pointing out this isn't the case, and that we're often losing some pretty gross postwar lumps in order to clear the way for beautiful towers. The only instance of anything remotely historical being demolished to make way for a skyscraper in the past 10 years was the Baltic Exchange for SwissRe, but that building was already damaged beyond repair by the IRA.
Allan Dude has never implied that skyscrapers were supposed to replace historic buildings. He simply wondered whether it wouldn't be smarter to designate a skyscrapers area away from historic buildings. That's all.

From his post, I've only guessed that what he means was that London is a very large city where it would be easy to build a skyscrapers cluster enough far away to not dwarf historic buildings. Now I fully understand that you believe skyscrapers would bring a lot more to the City than the commieblocks we currently find all over the district, and of course I agree with this. The simple thing is that I didn't want his opinion to be distorted.

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Old February 13th, 2007, 05:39 PM   #705
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Another interesting concept.... just a play on what we have seen in most places with large populations. This isn't the most pretty of the ones I have seen though. I liked the picture of the football pitch... brings a whole new dimension to "who's turn is it to get the ball back?"
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Old February 13th, 2007, 06:38 PM   #706
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It is interesting. I doubt it will happen for deacades though atleast.
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Old February 13th, 2007, 09:09 PM   #707
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haaha, in london, ZERO chance, not within many, many lifetimes anyway! buildings like this have been propsed all over the world, but have never been built. proposing this in london is a total waste of time, we have enough trouble building anything over 150m, let alone this
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Old February 13th, 2007, 09:11 PM   #708
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Yeah, pipe dream I think. Reminds me of Foster's proposed tower for London in the late 90s, can't remember the name...
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Old February 13th, 2007, 11:10 PM   #709
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Isn't Millenium ?
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Old February 14th, 2007, 01:34 AM   #710
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why do such developers and architects (mile high tower) waste their time? these ideas have been around in other cities countless times - mile high tower, xseed 4000, skycity etc., but never get anywhere (and rightly so, they're not needed and for one to be built in london would be rediculous).

how long do these rubbish proposals take to think up anyway? about 15 minutes on photoshop? "create cylinder >> add facade >> add holes >> add trees >> cut and paste on map from googleEarth >> add bullshit blurb about how it is a vision for the future to deal with climate change, overpopulation, george bush etc"
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Old February 14th, 2007, 01:59 AM   #711
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why do such developers and architects (mile high tower) waste their time? these ideas have been around in other cities countless times - mile high tower, xseed 4000, skycity etc., but never get anywhere (and rightly so, they're not needed and for one to be built in london would be rediculous).
Towers like this and other megastructures are just visions. They are concepts, to challenge possible (urban/architectural or engineering) issues and (un)expected problems. They are only meant to make people think.

It's not the issue whether or not these kind of towers will be built, it's all about the ideas of a concept which can be used in other forms, in other buildings. Just compare it to a (production) car, most of them are the result of prototypes.
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Old February 14th, 2007, 06:07 AM   #712
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Old February 14th, 2007, 09:57 AM   #713
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Its still 6 weeks 'til April 1st!!!

This rendering is hilarious... Its just been plonked in the middle of some Victorian terraces!

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Old February 14th, 2007, 11:44 AM   #714
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Towers like this and other megastructures are just visions. They are concepts, to challenge possible (urban/architectural or engineering) issues and (un)expected problems. They are only meant to make people think.

It's not the issue whether or not these kind of towers will be built, it's all about the ideas of a concept which can be used in other forms, in other buildings. Just compare it to a (production) car, most of them are the result of prototypes.
yeah, i know. i meant that these (same) visions have popped up before inh other projects in other cities.
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Old February 14th, 2007, 06:38 PM   #715
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Its been plonked on there to show the scale of the building.
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Old February 14th, 2007, 07:19 PM   #716
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Allan Dude has never implied that skyscrapers were supposed to replace historic buildings. He simply wondered whether it wouldn't be smarter to designate a skyscrapers area away from historic buildings. That's all.

From his post, I've only guessed that what he means was that London is a very large city where it would be easy to build a skyscrapers cluster enough far away to not dwarf historic buildings. Now I fully understand that you believe skyscrapers would bring a lot more to the City than the commieblocks we currently find all over the district, and of course I agree with this. The simple thing is that I didn't want his opinion to be distorted.
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Many of us Londoners feel the same way as you do about these developments. The problem is that there are two diametrically opposed groups in the UK and London: those that indifferentially support skyscrapers, whatever their quality and location and then those that indifferentially oppose to skyscrapers, whatever their quality and location.

If one's opinion is somewhere in the middle, where one believes that skyscrapers can make a very good addition but not always, both groups will attack and try to distort argument such that they can show the person in question belongs to the other group. Basically you are either pro or anti. Of course, not in this forum, where we have good debates, but I talk about the general environment.

The problem is that there is no consensus in London about skyscrapers. The people in the middle are being squeezed between the two groups at the opposite ends. It may be that Unesco's intervention helps the two groups to come closer and for some consensus to form.

If no consensus forms I fear we may have a repeat of the 60s and 70s... and then eighties...some badly thought out projects that go wrong and a ban on skyscrapers and modern architecture, and a huge retro movement driven by some member of the royal family...

And as a final point, the second world war is always brought in, but clearly that is an excuse if one compares with the mature consensus in Germany which results in an eclectic mix of restoration and top-quality modern architecture at the same time. In that respect London could learn something from Berlin.
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Old February 16th, 2007, 02:42 PM   #717
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Old February 18th, 2007, 02:52 PM   #718
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Old February 18th, 2007, 03:42 PM   #719
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LOL - looks like an architectural practice is trying to raise its profile again (Vortex Tower, anyone?)
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Old February 18th, 2007, 04:37 PM   #720
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The Vortex Tower was designed by Ken Shuttleworth (The same man who did Swiss RE) - he is now head of his own firm MAKE which in all honesty, are producing some of the best pieces of work by a British group at this moment in time.

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