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Old October 19th, 2013, 07:54 PM   #8141
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It's all about money. Silicon Valley and the US have had lots to invest in tech start up's, something the UK hasn't had before but this is changing.

I mean the Ipod for instance is a British invention but it had no financial backing so Steve Jobs pinched the patent and developed it in the US.

For instance - The British created not only the Internet but the Television, We all know Bell invented the telephone and patented before that of American Elisha Gray. Stereo, Modern Photography are others.

Infact the computer reading up on it was actually British but lack of funding meant it went on the back burners. The British created the first electronic mechanical computer during the war.

All in all money speaks. You have to say as a Super power, Britain did more for the world on the technology front then America ever has since it's take Britains crown as the most powerful nation.

Creating things like Facebook and Google are so, so insignificant when it comes to the likes of the Industrial Revolution I pity what that man actually said.

If anything it shows money talks. When the UK was the wealthiest nation in the world it had it's hand in a lot more pies and created things alot more worthwhile then what the States have with the wealth they've now got.

Nations that had an impact on the world.

UK 10 out of 10
US 5 out of 10
Ok this is off topic already so lets go for it.
Certainly many innovations outside US often get overshadowed by the US ones and often even twisted in the media. One of the benefits being superpower.

You are mirroring UK's past achievements when it had a larger global role, to US achievements in the current age as insignificant, but think of transistor created by Bell Labs is one of the biggest achievements in the past 100 years. How about Voyager 1 and Saturn V Rocket?
Even something like Google, mass social media or iOS might seem like a waffle today, but go forward 50 years when China holds the strings and the significance of it all might be so much clearer. Modern computer age is certainly dominated by US.
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Old October 19th, 2013, 09:21 PM   #8142
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I'm not saying insignificant. US has had a major role in shaping the world which is why I gave it 5 out of 10 and this is only going to rise, but for someone to say only the US could create innovative tech advances on the web and such is a bit silly considering the internet itself was invented by a Briton. Obviously the more finance you have backing you the greater things you can achieve which is now what we are seeing with tech services across the world. It shows a complete lack of understanding on world history and what can be achieved in other places with the right commitment to supporting ideas through investment.Things like Google are far from being irrelevant but doAmericans like him believe they are the only ones with computer programmers and innovaters able to create such sites? Funding is the key to all ideas. This is my point.
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Old October 19th, 2013, 10:59 PM   #8143
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I think a lot also has to do with the definition of innovation that most people have nowadays. For most people innovation is reduced to consumer electronics & internet related services, which are are indeed innovations, but they are just one part of the whole S&T spectrum, mainly the part that the regular consumers get in contact with.

For instance, everyone knows about Samsung or Apple because of their smartphones, but not many know about the company (ARM Holdings) which has designed the chips that can be found in 90-95% of all mobile devices or the company (ASML) that manufactures 70-75% of all photolithography systems machines that produce these chips.

Many people will hear about Facebook, Twitter or Google that will add a new feature or whatever, but few will know that Phillips just develop a new PET/CT scanner that gives 20% better imaging than before.
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Old October 19th, 2013, 11:59 PM   #8144
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Old October 20th, 2013, 12:02 AM   #8145
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Old October 20th, 2013, 01:48 AM   #8146
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Old October 20th, 2013, 03:47 AM   #8147
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This is going to be my final post about this because I don't want to derail the thread.

I think we are being a bit unfair to the interviewer. All he said was "...you always hear in Europe, that Europeans could never create the next Facebook or the next Twitter. Do you agree with that or do you think the mindset here has changed." He wasn't implying anything, he's just asked a legit question about confidence in tech firms in Europe and their ability to compete with the big boys. I don't see any malice, or ignorance in what he asked.

Also, the UK may have invented the internet, but we've very much been the followers, not the leaders in its development since.
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Old October 20th, 2013, 04:14 AM   #8148
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Old October 20th, 2013, 04:18 AM   #8149
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Many people always get confused the difference between the internet and world wide web (www). Sir Tim Barnes Lee (British) discovered and invented only www and his initial purpose was to share files and data within the offices where he worked. In the following year, he found out a gateway to use it on a global scale and it is now used universally. The world's first internet was developed by Vint Cerf, an American computer scientist and it was used for military communication systems.
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Old October 20th, 2013, 10:03 AM   #8150
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Old October 20th, 2013, 01:00 PM   #8151
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The World Wide Web is a system of interlinked hypertext documents accessed via the Internet. WWW is pretty much useless you have web browsers such as IE, Firefox, Mozilla, Opera, and Google Chrome etc. Thanks to Mr.Tim for inventing HTML language as well, which allows us to create web pages.

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Old October 20th, 2013, 01:08 PM   #8152
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How cares anyway? Historically inventions have been co-discovered by different people at the same time around the world. Only difference is some got attention and some were forgotten. It's ridiculous to claim that "without us there would be no x". Someone else would have invented it within a year.
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Old October 20th, 2013, 02:20 PM   #8153
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How cares anyway? Historically inventions have been co-discovered by different people at the same time around the world. Only difference is some got attention and some were forgotten. It's ridiculous to claim that "without us there would be no x". Someone else would have invented it within a year.
This ideology is wrong i'm afraid.

In todays world information is so freely shared that this is mostly the case, however going back 100 even 50 years this was very rare.

Some major discoveries and inventions historically have had close time frames between patents and distribution to the public but this has mainly been because the original concept was created decades before hand and had time for many to improve the idea.

In relation to the web (egg) and internet (chicken). You can not have the internet without first the web. Internet is an advancement of the web.

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Also, the UK may have invented the internet, but we've very much been the followers, not the leaders in its development since.
Nobody is denying this. I think everyone in the world is well aware (infact stated numerous times on this page alone) that the US/North America is at the forefront of all web/internet based formats.

However, this is changing as more and more money is being given to funding tech website services across the world and especially in Europe and the UK.

If for instance you look at Canadian/American property sites and compare them to British property sites. The UK ones are so much better designed and coded to a much higher degree.

You continue to cherry pick certain formats of websites you will find that UK computer programmers and designers it seems are far superior to most as a whole across the world.

To create a website of international magnitude is an investment of £50-100k minimum in year one. When countries do not fund such investments you are very unlikely to create advanced and popular pages.

The US has this backing on a ridiculous scale which is why it has been able to create the likes of facebook and twitter.

My favourite website is Newsnow. Even before this. The best search engine in the world imo.

And British but still ranked only the 1,992 most popular website in the world.
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Old October 20th, 2013, 02:27 PM   #8154
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London (200m+ Buildings)

Completed & T/O
  1. The Shard: 310m
  2. One Canada Square: 235m
  3. Heron Tower: 230m
  4. Leadenhall Building: 225m (T/O)
  5. 8 Canada Square: 200m
  6. 25 Canada Square: 200m


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  1. The Pinnacle: 288m (On Hold)
  2. Riverside South Tower 1: 237m


Approved
  1. Columbus Tower: 237m
  2. The Pride: 233m
  3. North Quay Tower 1: 221m
  4. Wood Wharf W07B: 206m
  5. North Quay Tower 3: 203m
  6. One Nine Elms East Tower: 200m
  7. Lansdowne Road Tower: 200m


Proposed
  1. The Three Spires: 253m
  2. South Quay Plaza Tower 1: 250m
  3. Diamond Tower: 212m
  4. 30 Marsh Wall: 205m
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Old October 20th, 2013, 02:49 PM   #8155
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Old October 20th, 2013, 04:45 PM   #8157
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Old October 20th, 2013, 04:52 PM   #8158
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Old October 20th, 2013, 06:42 PM   #8159
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