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Old November 3rd, 2013, 07:37 PM   #8401
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I gladly accept the fact that London is doing well, I challenge you to find any post I've made that suggests the contrary. My gripe is with the excess of self congratulation, comparisons or references to other cities, the amount of looking over one's shoulder. London doesn't need it.
Cant say i notice it more than any other cities thread (maybe for you its more obvious )

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I'd written elsewhere that I didn't like the garden bridge, and though it looks better in these renderings, I think that still holds true. Apart from the upkeep, which seems impractical over a wind-swept urban (this part) river, it strikes me as a bit of kitsch, in a city lucky enough to have a plethora of real green spaces. New York might benefit from its High Line, Seoul from its Cheonggyecheon project, but in London I'd say it's redundant.
I want St James Park elegant, Hampstead Heath wild and rambling, and the central city stretch of the Thames, gritty.
The parts of the Thames that i like the most are the more tailored areas such as Victoria Embankment (despite the traffic), by the London eye and More London and The Towers of Lonon. Each of those areas offers grand views of the architecture lining the Thames and has some great streetscapes that interact quite well with the waterfront. I think the Thames hasnt been gritty for years, and despite the architecture around St Pauls offers quite an attractive river journey for most of its length. Its nice to see the river bein incorporated back into the cities life IMO. Also i would say any quiet green space is welcome in this part of the city as i always find St James park packed with tourists.
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Old November 3rd, 2013, 09:58 PM   #8402
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Cant say i notice it more than any other cities thread (maybe for you its more obvious )



The parts of the Thames that i like the most are the more tailored areas such as Victoria Embankment (despite the traffic), by the London eye and More London and The Towers of Lonon. Each of those areas offers grand views of the architecture lining the Thames and has some great streetscapes that interact quite well with the waterfront. I think the Thames hasnt been gritty for years, and despite the architecture around St Pauls offers quite an attractive river journey for most of its length. Its nice to see the river bein incorporated back into the cities life IMO. Also i would say any quiet green space is welcome in this part of the city as i always find St James park packed with tourists.
I agree with much of the above, perhaps I should have said unabashedly 'urban' rather than 'gritty'. A floral bridge here is a bit like hanging a lacy curtain in a modernist window.
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Old November 3rd, 2013, 11:49 PM   #8403
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Really? The area around Temple is a very leafy stretch, and it is abound with refined old gems of architecture.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 12:06 AM   #8404
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Old November 4th, 2013, 12:18 AM   #8405
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Old November 4th, 2013, 12:25 AM   #8406
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Old November 4th, 2013, 12:39 AM   #8407
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Old November 4th, 2013, 01:55 AM   #8408
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Really? The area around Temple is a very leafy stretch, and it is abound with refined old gems of architecture.
You have a point, there are certainly some gorgeous stretches of greenery in the area - Victoria Embankment Gardens ... beautiful old buildings - I guess I see the bridge as a novelty.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 08:32 AM   #8409
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Does any one find the new London vernacular type of architecture to be mundane and boring

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Old November 4th, 2013, 08:34 AM   #8410
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It would be nice if British architects tried to think out of the box like the type of innovative designs seen in Amsterdam or northern europe

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Old November 4th, 2013, 11:38 AM   #8411
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Maybe you need to look around London first to see if they "think outside the box". Think that's a bit unfair considering it's hardly been used much at all as of yet.

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Old November 4th, 2013, 11:52 AM   #8412
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Maybe you need to look around London first to see if they "think outside the box". Think that's a bit unfair considering it's hardly been used much at all as of yet.
Maybe you should learn to spot such obvious troll bait posts and stop biting so easily...you're making it too easy for them.

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Old November 4th, 2013, 12:37 PM   #8413
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There's really no such thing as a modern, national sense of architectural style. You could plonk the shard in Dubai, Shanghai or Chicago and there'd be no way of identifying it as a 'British style building'.

You can see trends a lot easier in smaller, mostly residential buildings. But that's really a Northern European style rather than one limited to a nation.

Overall, the buildings going up in London are great. On a global scale, they're not that interesting, but they're still very good. Outside of London the stuff is largely provincial and unremarkable.
The Shard is not an example of the new London vernacular that was mentioned so it is an irrelevant example, although you could argue that the dominating spire is a European form.

The new London vernacular is aimed at standardising mass produced housing using a template of traditional brick and Georgian proportions so it is reasonably aesthetically British.

Certainly the recent push for a better quality urban residential standard is partly inspired by work carried out in Northern Europe over past three decades.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 12:45 PM   #8414
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London's £4.1bn ($6.6bn) 'super sewer' is kicking up a stink as campaigners label it a 'monster'
The ultimate Nimby hypocrisy!
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Old November 4th, 2013, 12:51 PM   #8415
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Maybe you should learn to spot such obvious troll bait posts and stop biting so easily...you're making it too easy for them.

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That wasn't biting. That was saying that maybe he should look round London first before coming to that sort of conclusion as this type of construction has hardly been used as of yet.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 01:32 PM   #8416
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And yes, I would say that Barcelona, Rome and Paris in Europe for the very least are much more recognized around the world and embedded to popular culture. You don't example see Chinese building mini London or London themed casino being build to Las Vegas. But who knows that might indeed change in 100 hundred years, or those European cities come even more of a relics.
London is the most visited city in the world, not Paris, Rome, or Barcelona. The Chinese have built Thames Town near Shanghai and a Tower Bridge copy in Suzhou. A London-themed hotel complex was also planned for Vegas. Dubai has recently built an ugly skyscraper copy of Big Ben.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 03:47 PM   #8417
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wow, what a cool little tower. I like it!

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Old November 4th, 2013, 03:57 PM   #8418
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Old November 4th, 2013, 04:11 PM   #8419
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Yes, it is another nationalist statement. However, it is also very true. Name me another nation that has gone through as many changes in architectural styles as the UK...
You talk about architectural variety as if it was measurable! It's not a fact, far from it, the only fact here is that you don't know anything about 70% of the countries and cultures of the world. The same goes for Birmingham. Do some research before making absolute fools of yourselves.

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Jesus Christ. I actually really dislike people like you.
The only thing you'e said so far that actually is an established fact. Well done!


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It's fact. It doesn't even mean it's a good thing. British cities are very disjointed IMO, there's hardly any constant which is why Bath, Cambridge, Oxford, York are so highly regarded in the UK compared to the likes of Birmingham, Brighton, Liverpool etc. It's like Spaniards claiming they are the best football team in the world. It's fact. Do we call them nationalistic?
It's not a fact. It's your uneducated opinion. London is messy because large scale planning attempts always failed, most famously Wren's redesign plan for the City after the great fire of 1666. However in the 18th or 19th centuries London would not have appeared any more architecturally diverse than Paris. King Charles I and the Earl of Bedford created the first really planned area in London: Covent Garden in 1631. This square model was then replicated all over London and Britain. Same with terraced housing. London never saw modernization and slum-clearing in the 19th century on the scale of Haussmann's remodeling of Paris, only small-scale redevelopment took place, for example Aldwych and Kingsway were such creations.

London was not truly modernized until after WWII when many of its neighbourhoods were ripped a part and others were suburbanized. Add to that the current construction boom and you get a pretty scarred city. I agree that London is probably on of the most architecturally diverse cities in the world, however, British architecture overall is neither especially unique nor diverse.

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Who even believes that would be nationalistic?? If someone was to say England won the 1966 World Cup around here they would be called nationalistic just because people like you have such a chip on your shoulder it's impossible for Britain/British to have the most/best of anything.
The real problem is that there are no construction threads that are so filled with nationalist crap as this one. People come here to get info on new developments in London, and are sick and tired of having to deal with ignorant idiots babbling about why London/Britain is the best in this and that (especially better than France, insecurity issues) and frankly it's childish, irrelevant and annoying.

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It stinks of jealousy.
Oh please. Of what? Birmingham's fantastic architectural diversity?

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People all around the world knows London and the UK for architecture. Not only old, but new. The London skyline has been used so much in media recently, with films such as;
- Thor 2
- Fast and Furious
- Star Trek into Darkness (modernised London Skyline - but landmarks still visible.)
- Fantastic Four
I'm glad someone is providing a full list of scources. I'm sure Birminham's list is no less impressive
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Old November 4th, 2013, 04:42 PM   #8420
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Wilkinson Eyre unveils new images of ($1.2bn) Battersea Power Station scheme

The £750 million ($1.2bn) restoration and redevelopment will include a circular glass lift that will emerge out of the top of one of the rebuilt chimneys giving the public views across London. The power station itself will open permanently to the public from 2019 with retail and an events space filling the lower floors, 58,000sq m of offices above and 248 flats crowning the scheme.











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