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Old December 5th, 2013, 02:50 PM   #8821
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Oh how I dislike renders like this, just look at the kites, the wind is blowing in opposite directions at the same time.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 03:02 PM   #8822
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^ To be fair, kites often swoop and dive around. They don't just stay in one place.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 03:16 PM   #8823
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Soutbank Centre looks okay....

But if I am honest I LOVE the Skatepark there - it is real and urban. It adds character to the place and in itself is a Landmark - especially amoungst youth. I know that this might cause controversy but that's how I feel and I believe that it would be a bad mistake if they took away the Skatepark.

I was incredibly impressed by how organised the Southbank Skaters were in there formal protest. I believe in what they are saying and I agree with theor belief.

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Old December 5th, 2013, 03:20 PM   #8824
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I know, I've won prizes for flying stunt kites, but the strings will never be diametrically opposite directions, lazy. For me the kites, the PC people and the oddly proportioned trees (the children appear taller than the lower branches) distract from the whole effort and obscure the architecture. Perhaps that's the reason they have been Photoshoped in.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 03:31 PM   #8825
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I was incredibly impressed by how organised the Southbank Skaters were in there formal protest. I believe in what they are saying and I agree with theor belief.
You believe that they should continue to get something for nothing at the expense of the musicians and orchestras? The Southbank Centre is a private arts centre and it's funding a much needed and long overdue refurbishment and extension. The skateboarders should be grateful they've had a free-ride for so long, because most private land-owners would not have put up with them being there. This is far from the case at the Southbank Centre where they've let them skate and grafitti for decades.

But now this space is needed so the free-ride, understandably, ends.

Except - actually - it doesn't, because the Southbank Centre are doing something they absolutely don't have to do - building a £1m skatepark a stone's throw away to replace the undercroft!

SBC have been more than generous in their dealings with the skaters. It's time to look after London's orchestras whose facilities are far worse than in comparable cities, and the skaters should be grateful they're getting a new skatepark out of this not far away.

(more discussion on this here... http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...593768&page=16)
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Old December 5th, 2013, 03:41 PM   #8826
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^ To be fair, kites often swoop and dive around. They don't just stay in one place.

I concur, this is a perfect example of 'Kite Swooping' … wind 101.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 04:56 PM   #8827
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Kent House. No plans for demolition.
Good. London is really bad at preserving its old skyscrapers.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 05:04 PM   #8828
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You believe that they should continue to get something for nothing at the expense of the musicians and orchestras? The Southbank Centre is a private arts centre and it's funding a much needed and long overdue refurbishment and extension. The skateboarders should be grateful they've had a free-ride for so long, because most private land-owners would not have put up with them being there. This is far from the case at the Southbank Centre where they've let them skate and grafitti for decades.

But now this space is needed so the free-ride, understandably, ends.

Except - actually - it doesn't, because the Southbank Centre are doing something they absolutely don't have to do - building a £1m skatepark a stone's throw away to replace the undercroft!

SBC have been more than generous in their dealings with the skaters. It's time to look after London's orchestras whose facilities are far worse than in comparable cities, and the skaters should be grateful they're getting a new skatepark out of this not far away.

(more discussion on this here... http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...593768&page=16)

But it is a landmark. A cultural icon. It is the worlds oldest Skating spot... this in itself is something London should be protecting and be proud of.

It is part of British culture, tattooed into the British fabric which makes modern day British and indeed international skateboarding culture.

I see that there are very good points from both sides.

But if someone decided they would destroy Abbey Road to build a more convinient Motorway on top then does that make it right? No. Of course not, the same principle applies here.

Ochestra and drama are both fine arts and are beautiful in their own ways. Skateboarding is also an art and beautiul in it's own way, and I am by no means a Skateboarder. Orchestra is not more of an art than Skateboarding, nor is Skateboaring more of an art than Orchestra.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 05:10 PM   #8829
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Good. London is really bad at preserving its old skyscrapers.
London didn't have any skyscrapers until Canary Wharf was first built. In fact, London didn't have any tall buildings of real note other than the Nat West tower (Tower 42) and the Post Office tower (BT tower) prior to Canary Wharf.

And the majority of high rises built in London before the late 1980's were eyesores. We are well rid of them. I hope that many more will disappear. As soon as possible.

By the way, if we're being pedantic, Kent House isn't a skyscraper. And there really is little to recommend it, IMO.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 05:39 PM   #8830
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London didn't have any skyscrapers until Canary Wharf was first built. In fact, London didn't have any tall buildings of real note other than the Nat West tower (Tower 42) and the Post Office tower (BT tower) prior to Canary Wharf.

And the majority of high rises built in London before the late 1980's were eyesores. We are well rid of them. I hope that many more will disappear. As soon as possible.

By the way, if we're being pedantic, Kent House isn't a skyscraper. And there really is little to recommend it, IMO.
I think Centre Point is beautiful. That was built in the 60's.

By Canary Wharf, I presume you mean 1 Canada Square.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 05:48 PM   #8831
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But it is a landmark. A cultural icon. It is the worlds oldest Skating spot... this in itself is something London should be protecting and be proud of.

It is part of British culture, tattooed into the British fabric which makes modern day British and indeed international skateboarding culture.

I see that there are very good points from both sides.

But if someone decided they would destroy Abbey Road to build a more convinient Motorway on top then does that make it right? No. Of course not, the same principle applies here.

Ochestra and drama are both fine arts and are beautiful in their own ways. Skateboarding is also an art and beautiul in it's own way, and I am by no means a Skateboarder. Orchestra is not more of an art than Skateboarding, nor is Skateboaring more of an art than Orchestra.
I can sort of see your point of view (although I think the Abbey Rd analogy is not really a very good one), but the skateboarders have always known they're borrowing this space from SBC, so to cry out now is disingenuous. They can't expect SBC to give them a free space forever whilst it's harming the centre's own ambitions for expansion (ambitions which have nothing to do with having another Starbucks as the skateboarders have claimed to try to garnder sympathy). That's far too much to ask especially when, it seems, the skateboarders aren't willing to contribute anything in finance or any alternative ideas.

Who will be compensating SBC for the lost revenue, lost rehearsal space etc. if they're to give this space to the skaters forever free of charge? If this is such an important culturual icon, as you claim, perhaps the world's skateboarding community could offer to buy or rent the space from the SBC? There's millions of skateboards around the world, surely they could do something if it's the spiritual hub of their sport? But they haven't.

If you know you're borrowing a space from someone, you can't be too upset when you're politely asked to move. And you definitely shouldn't be too upset when those who want that space back are paying for a new, £1m skatepark a stone's throw away.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 05:57 PM   #8832
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this design looks definitely much better and less brutal than it's current one, but those red and white stripes are just so hideous and eyesore.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 06:01 PM   #8833
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Good. London is really bad at preserving its old skyscrapers.
i can't wait for the day barbican towers get blown up! of course this has to be done after every single resident is evacuated.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 06:36 PM   #8834
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i can't wait for the day barbican towers get blown up! of course this has to be done after every single resident is evacuated.
Those might be good examples of a certain architectural style but not in that location.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 09:11 PM   #8835
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Old December 5th, 2013, 09:14 PM   #8836
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I think Centre Point is beautiful. That was built in the 60's.

By Canary Wharf, I presume you mean 1 Canada Square.
Agreed about Centre Point. I love it.

But it's one of the few exceptions.

And yes, by Canary Wharf, I meant 1 Canada Sq initially, followed by its neighbours 8 and 25 Canada Sq.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 09:44 PM   #8837
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London didn't have any skyscrapers until Canary Wharf was first built. In fact, London didn't have any tall buildings of real note other than the Nat West tower (Tower 42) and the Post Office tower (BT tower) prior to Canary Wharf.

And the majority of high rises built in London before the late 1980's were eyesores. We are well rid of them. I hope that many more will disappear. As soon as possible.

By the way, if we're being pedantic, Kent House isn't a skyscraper. And there really is little to recommend it, IMO.
By the way, if we're being pedantic, Nat West tower (Tower 42) is a skyscraper.
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By the way, if we're being pedantic, Nat West tower (Tower 42) is a skyscraper.
Not by the SSC definition of skyscraper - which is as good as any, I suppose!
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Old December 5th, 2013, 10:48 PM   #8839
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Archway Tower Up For Refurb

Dominating the Great North Road and its entry into London under Suicide Bridge is Archway Tower, a brown office building nearing the end of its life.



The unloved structure could soon be set for a complete overhaul if plans by Essential Living to refurbish the tower are realised. It stands 59 metres tall with 16 storeys and completed in 1963, on a commanding hillside spot that offers some of the best views in London with a Northern Line tube station at its base. Further adding to the appeal is the location which is only a short walk from the likes of Hampstead, and popular venues for the wealthy such as Highgate Golf Club and Highgate School.

Building on the attractive location the developer intends to convert the tower into a residential building that will offer 118 new apartments. All of these will be owned by the developer and rented out to provide a stable income over time. It's an unusual approach for London these days where most buildings are redeveloped to allow the sale of units off-plan.

This is however a business model that Essential Living intends to roll out elsewhere across London with other such mooted developments including 360 London in Elephant and Castle and Helix near Canary Wharf.

Residents will be able to enjoy a number of facilities that will be incorporated within the tower for their own use including a club-room, winter gardens and a roof terrace.

The exterior of the building will get a complete overhaul that will reflect its new residential status. Apartments will enjoy floor to ceiling glazing, whilst the tower will take on a whiter look than the brown appearance GMW bequeathed it with.

Work is expected to start in 2014, with the building ready for occupation in 2016.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 11:00 PM   #8840
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Not by the SSC definition of skyscraper - which is as good as any, I suppose!
Well ... for me it's always kicked off at 500ft/150 metres.
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