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Old January 29th, 2014, 04:04 PM   #9301
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Developers should be really careful about what kind of towers they are building. I don't have any problem with tall buildings if they are topnotch quality and good architecture.
Very well said.

IMO London seems to only have top-notch quality designs and approvals. I have seen many proposed London skyscrapers rightfully rejected.
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Old January 29th, 2014, 05:19 PM   #9302
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It's EH, what do you expect.

They would have opposed the proposal of Tower Bridge for being 'too tall' and 'too overbearing' with respect to the Tower of London.
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Old January 29th, 2014, 05:42 PM   #9303
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I really dont get EH. They have a knee-jerk response to anything tall, which is to get rid of it as best as possible in the name of conservation, yet allow the developers to bulldoze numerous old gems in the name of progress.
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Old January 29th, 2014, 07:45 PM   #9304
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The amount of shit that they allow to be built in the past … they should shut the hell up!
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Old January 29th, 2014, 09:10 PM   #9305
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Complain but offer no alternatives. Recognise that London has changed throughout its history but don't want change.
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Old January 29th, 2014, 09:12 PM   #9306
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Further to the Financial times article posted above, which is based on a press release from New London Architecture, I thought some of you guys may be interested to know about an upcoming exhibition at NLA's offices, which is set to run from April 3rd - June 12th 2014 - which is called 'London's Growing... Up!' - where it will have features, models, displays and case studies on the aforementioned 200+ towers in planning, and interactive displays that will show how the skyline looked in the past and how it looks now, and in 2030. Their office also contains a scale model of central London with all proposals imposed in place.

Currently on the news tab (linked) it is the 2nd and 3rd article that relates to the above:
http://www.newlondonarchitecture.org/news.php

And here is the page that shows the scale model of central London:
http://www.newlondonarchitecture.org...on_model_exhib
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Old January 30th, 2014, 02:20 AM   #9307
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Wow London.... was great with almost no skyscrapers 10 yrs ago, even better now!
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Old January 30th, 2014, 01:45 PM   #9308
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Why does London need to build Thameslink (a new rail network)?
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Old January 30th, 2014, 01:56 PM   #9309
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Why does London need to build Thameslink (a new rail network)?
It's an upgrade.
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Old January 30th, 2014, 03:09 PM   #9310
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Developers should be really careful about what kind of towers they are building. I don't have any problem with tall buildings if they are topnotch quality and good architecture.
Quality is important.

But equally important, I think, is location.

The GLA guy in that article was absolutely right. Restrict high rise construction to areas around existing clusters, with the addition of a few more clusters - e.g. Nine Elms, Old Oak Common etc.

That way, we get to keep the best of the old and mix it with the best of the new. At all costs, we must avoid the indiscriminate construction of high rise buildings. I would hate London to become another Shanghai, for instance - that's my idea of hell on earth:


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Old January 30th, 2014, 03:21 PM   #9311
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Its called the London plan and has been real for decades, each planning authority designates an area suitable for tall buildings and this becomes local planning legislation under the democratic system.

Yet the ignorant public spurned on by the leaked "opinions" and campaigns (ulterior economic motives) of Westminster council, EH, the Royal Parks and home owners looking to protect their golden egg conservation village status still get into hysterics that London will somehow turn into Shanghai.

so even though tall buildings get proposed in the valid designated proposed area they are still endlessly delayed, chopped down, cancelled by various interfering bodies such as conservation groups and councils who fear political backlash as the ignorance is widespread.
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Old January 30th, 2014, 03:27 PM   #9312
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Its called the London plan and has been real for decades, each planning authority designates an area suitable for tall buildings.

Yet the ignorant public spurned on by the leaked "opinions" and campaigns (ulterior economic motives) of Westminster council and EH still get into hysterics that London will somehow turn into Shanghai.
Absolutely. Scaremongering is silly.

Nevertheless, the point still stands that the policy absolutely MUST be held fast. Carefully planned clusters. Not indiscriminate high rise.
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Old January 30th, 2014, 03:33 PM   #9313
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Its the other way around.

The democratic planning system must be steadfast into allowing tall building proposals to go through smoothly in the designated tall building areas so that London's housing and office space shortage can be dealt with without resorting to sprawling into the green belt.

It is not on that publicly funded bodies and spurious home owner groups can play politics by dragging everything through the expensive legal process each and every time and often on multiple occasions.
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Old January 30th, 2014, 04:17 PM   #9314
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Its called the London plan and has been real for decades, each planning authority designates an area suitable for tall buildings and this becomes local planning legislation under the democratic system.

Yet the ignorant public spurned on by the leaked "opinions" and campaigns (ulterior economic motives) of Westminster council, EH, the Royal Parks and home owners looking to protect their golden egg conservation village status still get into hysterics that London will somehow turn into Shanghai.

so even though tall buildings get proposed in the valid designated proposed area they are still endlessly delayed, chopped down, cancelled by various interfering bodies such as conservation groups and councils who fear political backlash as the ignorance is widespread.
This statement is very true. I think the process is in place to stop silly plastic looking designs being built. Althought I do agree with you; the process is a little too long.

But it's better to have a longer process and have much better quality than it is to have a shorter ineffective process and poor quality towers.

SE9 is correct - EH seem to disagree with developments in general. I'm sure this is not the case, but London is one of the most important Cities in the world. Space is needed to keep up such competitiveness... Skyscrapers and High-Rise Construction are inevitable.
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Old January 30th, 2014, 04:21 PM   #9315
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Its the other way around.

The democratic planning system must be steadfast into allowing tall building proposals to go through smoothly in the designated tall building areas so that London's housing and office space shortage can be dealt with without resorting to sprawling into the green belt.

It is not on that publicly funded bodies and spurious home owner groups can play politics by dragging everything through the expensive legal process each and every time and often on multiple occasions.
It's not the "other way round".

It's both ways round.
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Old January 31st, 2014, 03:43 PM   #9316
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London house building registration hit all-time high

The number of house building registrations in London last year soared to the highest level since records began over 26 years ago.

According to latest annual figures from NHBC, home registrations in the capital rocketed 60% to 26,230 on 2012.

The London led housing recovery has also now reached all parts of the country, with new home registrations in the UK up 28% to 133,670.

This is the highest level since the economic downturn in 2007.

Smaller house builders are also coming out of the shadows as the market improves.

During the second half of 2013 builders have begun returning to the NHBC Register at an average rate of 50 firms per month. The vast majority of these are small businesses building 100 or fewer homes per year.

NHBC Chief Executive Mike Quinton said: “Over the year, we have seen a genuine return of confidence to the industry as builders strive to meet the growing demand for new homes that the UK clearly needs.

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http://www.constructionenquirer.com/...all-time-high/
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Old January 31st, 2014, 03:45 PM   #9317
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Wow... at this rate I can see proposals coming for Greater Londone expansion... especially to the East and North.
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Old January 31st, 2014, 04:39 PM   #9318
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Some very nasty and libellous remarks coming from you, Potto. Claiming that conservationism is driven entirely by surreptitious financial motives is ridiculous; especially since the "other side" -- i.e. developers and high-rise builders -- are literally driven by nothing by profit.
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Old February 1st, 2014, 01:13 PM   #9319
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Potto didn't say anything nasty or libellous, at all.
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Old February 1st, 2014, 01:17 PM   #9320
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The Mayor of London has revived the City Forum scheme, after Islington Council declined to put the project to a public planning meeting: Mayor Boris ‘calls in’ 42-storey City Road tower that was rejected by Islington planning chiefs

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