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Old August 20th, 2007, 09:01 PM   #961
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Possible redevelopment of Guy's Hospital!

Estates Gazette -

Guys and St Thomas NHS Foundation Trust are examining ways of raising funds to pay for future new facilities for the hospital.

Options being considered include transforming the landmark eyesore tower into luxury flats.

A more likely scenario would see the hospital quit the site entirely for a new hospital campus in a cheaper location allowing for a full redevelopment of the London Bridge site.






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Old August 20th, 2007, 10:26 PM   #962
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I REALLY hope they just knock it down. I personally can't understand why anyone would want to keep it. It does not look good. It would not look good if it was cleaned. Hell it would not look good if it was given entirely new cladding. From what I have seen of it, it is a very ugly and depressing building. If it was a half or quarter of the height, then I doubt the people who want to keep it (and there are some, just look at the UK forum) would want to keep it. Let it die.
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Old August 20th, 2007, 10:51 PM   #963
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Yepp! It sure does need redevelopment!
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Old August 21st, 2007, 12:35 AM   #964
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Guy's is one of my favourite buildings in london. It has that modern-medieval character that I love so much in our brutalist buildings. We have already lost the great barbican of the stock-exchange tower, next we are probably going to lose Milton Court, and potentialy now this too?? Just because at the moment the 'aesthetic' is not appreciated??? typical london short-sightedness; as bad as when we knocked down the masterpiece that was Soane's Bank of England, Nash's Regent Street, and endless swathes of irreplaceable Victoriana. Pisses me off no end. See beyond what is now 'accepted' and 'fashionable', please!!!!
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Old August 21st, 2007, 01:09 AM   #965
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i like the Gotham city feel of this building.
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Old August 21st, 2007, 01:58 AM   #966
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Guy's is one of my favourite buildings in london. It has that modern-medieval character that I love so much in our brutalist buildings. We have already lost the great barbican of the stock-exchange tower, next we are probably going to lose Milton Court, and potentialy now this too?? Just because at the moment the 'aesthetic' is not appreciated??? typical london short-sightedness; as bad as when we knocked down the masterpiece that was Soane's Bank of England, Nash's Regent Street, and endless swathes of irreplaceable Victoriana. Pisses me off no end. See beyond what is now 'accepted' and 'fashionable', please!!!!
Guy's tower, while it may appeal to you would make the majority of us turn the other way without looking back. One of the most rank hideous monstrosities in the world, with perhaps one of the most beautiful complimentary pieces of architecture to be built next to it that will not only tower over it in terms of height but also design.
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Old August 21st, 2007, 03:17 PM   #967
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New 134m twin towers for London. They were scaled down from 160m and 136m due to proximity to Buckingham Palace and The Palace of Westminister (I think)

The bases of the towers:





One of the towers, the base of the other tower is to the left of the picture:



I think (though I'm not sure) that they are the first identical twin skyscrapers for London

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Old August 21st, 2007, 04:50 PM   #968
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It may have been reduced in height to 134 metres but that's still tall though, especially due to its approximity to Buckingham Palace. That's only 3-4 metres shy of our tallest building currently under construction
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Old August 21st, 2007, 05:09 PM   #969
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New 134m twin towers for London. They were scaled down from 160m and 136m due to proximity to Buckingham Palace and The Palace of Westminister (I think)

The bases of the towers:


Nice towers. However, I don't think that tall buildings are appropriate for the area. I'm a NY'er who likewise opposed Foster's magnificent structure for upper Madison Ave. It was a great building but not appropriate for the area.
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Old August 21st, 2007, 05:17 PM   #970
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From what I have heard the area is bad and run down. And if the towers aren't built, then we can say goodbye to redeveloping the station, as they are what will raise the funds for it.

I think that's right anway.
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Old August 21st, 2007, 05:20 PM   #971
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But this doesn't mean we have to accept poor towers. Its a developers way of blackmailing a local council or government. Councils should demand higher standards.
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Old August 21st, 2007, 06:10 PM   #972
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From what I have heard the area is bad and run down. And if the towers aren't built, then we can say goodbye to redeveloping the station, as they are what will raise the funds for it.

I think that's right anway.
I lived in London and can confirm that the area is not bad at all. To the extent that there are 60's office blocks, they can be redeveloped with magnificent, low-rise limestone structures. High rises should be limited to the City, the South Bank and Canary Wharf and should not encroach upon the West End.
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Old August 21st, 2007, 06:25 PM   #973
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To the extent that there are 60's office blocks, they can be redeveloped with magnificent, low-rise limestone structures.
How do you get the same amount of office space from a 1960s block into a low rise structure without it swamping out over the pedestrian areas?

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High rises should be limited to the City, the South Bank and Canary Wharf and should not encroach upon the West End.
Well that would be lovely, except there are offices in the West end and companies are looking for large open plan modern light filled Grade-A space offices. Also the number of apartments needed to be sold to pay for the upgrade of Victoria station means the only way to fit that many into the scheme is to build upwards, unless you propose a massive stonking groundscraper that actively takes away from the pedestrianised open space areas of the scheme.
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Old August 21st, 2007, 07:13 PM   #974
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How do you get the same amount of office space from a 1960s block into a low rise structure without it swamping out over the pedestrian areas?



Well that would be lovely, except there are offices in the West end and companies are looking for large open plan modern light filled Grade-A space offices. Also the number of apartments needed to be sold to pay for the upgrade of Victoria station means the only way to fit that many into the scheme is to build upwards, unless you propose a massive stonking groundscraper that actively takes away from the pedestrianised open space areas of the scheme.

They don't have to be high rise towers though. As I said, if someone wanted to build a 30 story tower on Madison and 72nd or in Greenwich Village, I would be opposed. The West End should also be off limits.
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Old August 21st, 2007, 07:36 PM   #975
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They don't have to be high rise towers though.
Then how do you get the same amount of office space into a building that doesn't go upwards? The only answer is to build outwards and create groundscrapers, which kill off all possible open space and pedestrian activity in the area.
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Old August 21st, 2007, 08:33 PM   #976
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Then how do you get the same amount of office space into a building that doesn't go upwards? The only answer is to build outwards and create groundscrapers, which kill off all possible open space and pedestrian activity in the area.
Why can't they simply limit high rises to other areas. There are scores of locations to build. Who wants to see a sea of 30+story buildings looming over Buckingham Palace.
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Old August 22nd, 2007, 12:29 AM   #977
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Why can't they simply limit high rises to other areas. There are scores of locations to build. Who wants to see a sea of 30+story buildings looming over Buckingham Palace.
Because some companies WANT the West End.
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Old August 25th, 2007, 09:22 PM   #978
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check out the cranes of a city going through an unpresedented construction boom...


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Old August 26th, 2007, 12:23 AM   #979
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that's pretty phenomenal...
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Old August 26th, 2007, 10:31 PM   #980
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Fantastic pic
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