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Old April 10th, 2014, 01:35 PM   #9921
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Except for the very central areas, London's halves operate pretty much as autonomous entities, as opposed to some cities which are well-rounded and to which their river is just a natural feature. More specifically, South London is much more suburban, cheaper, and less populated than North London. Just look at the Tube map to realize how skewed it is.

The lack of bridges outside the innermost areas is also dependent on the lack of demand to do so.
I disagree with that. North and South London only function as somewhat separate entities to the east of Tower Bridge. Anywhere to the west, and the river is crossed by dozens of bridges. South west suburbs like Barnes, Putney, Kew, Richmond, Kingston, Wimbledon, etc are also anything but "poor"! (And are well served by the Tube.)

Inner South London has seen huge increases in Tube / urban rail capacity of late. The Jubilee Line Extension, London Overground, and Thameslink are especially important. Further east, Crossrail and the DLR are tying places like Greenwich, Woolwich and Abbey Wood into accessible and convenient parts of the city.

In the centre, the Shard, London Bridge Station, Waterloo Station, Shell Centre, Southbank Centre, National Theatre, Tate Modern, London Eye, Imperial War Museum, Old Vic, Young Vic, Globe, etc, are hardly what you'd associate with the "suburbs". As far out as Elephant & Castle is all in zone 1, and becoming ever denser. On average it's probably as dense as the West End already, at least in terms of total floor space per square kilometre.

The incredibly dense development of Nine Elms, complete with embassies, Tube stops, and destination landmarks, will effectively extend central London to the south-west too.
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Old April 10th, 2014, 02:12 PM   #9922
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Old April 10th, 2014, 04:16 PM   #9923
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I love the way Elephant and Castle is developing. I remember a few years ago when it was a place to avoid... now it's coming along leaps and bounds.
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Old April 10th, 2014, 06:44 PM   #9924
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What exactly is British architecture?
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Old April 10th, 2014, 07:07 PM   #9925
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Those types of comment are an alternate reality, London has huge swathes of legally binding conservation areas. That means thousands of protected buildings that can not be knocked down. These exist in all boroughs of London and cover most of the popular central cores of City of Westminster and City of London. On top of that you have a legally protected web of sightlines where tall buildings just can not go.

There is no way you will get a giant CBD highrise cluster covering the entirety of the centre like you find in Manhattan or Hong Kong or Toronto. It just isn't going to happen so not worth even bringing up and fretting about.

There is a huge tradition in English architecture of toning down superfluous decoration in architecture, it is why the English speaking world is quite different to the flamboyance of say France or Italian and Spanish worlds. You maybe right in your concern about the default quality of average new builds in London but your conclusion is wrong because these new builds are often replacing even more poorly executed post war builds or brown field sites of zero interest. On top of that even the more high end but bland new builds are at least unique to the UK with their emphasis on either brick or stone in Georgian proportions, then every now and then a hi-tech jewel appears by Richard Rogers.

So how is this going to homogenise the city that has the most strict conservation rules anywhere in the world with a huge mix of demand for retail, housing, offices and cultural buildings with many architects involved?

It is just a ridiculous notion and shows a high degree of ignorance.
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Old April 10th, 2014, 07:52 PM   #9926
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Not really. Classical architecture isn't practiced anymore for good reason.
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Old April 10th, 2014, 08:09 PM   #9927
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Old April 10th, 2014, 08:20 PM   #9928
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I'm still not sure what your point is
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Old April 10th, 2014, 08:26 PM   #9929
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Old April 10th, 2014, 08:28 PM   #9930
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Not really, it has a lot of protected views and areas. New builds are only allowed in designated zones and the buildings being accepted are of high quality and design.

The way you are speaking, it sounds like London is about to bulldoze the Palace of Westminster!
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Old April 10th, 2014, 10:29 PM   #9931
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Not really. Classical architecture isn't practiced anymore for good reason.
Ah well. Perhaps you check some of these names and their portfolios first and then tell us again it isn't practiced anymore:
List of New Classical Architects


Anyway, I worked myself into the ground on the topic the last couple days, so I'll give it a rest at this project thread at least.
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Old April 10th, 2014, 10:33 PM   #9932
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Some perspective for those writing sensationalist monologues/tirades on London's architecture.

When Tower Bridge was constructed in the 1890s, there were people that went on similar tirades. They claimed that such a structure 'destroyed' the heritage of London, impacted negatively on the Tower of London and is not in keeping with the tradition of London. H.H. Statham commented that "it represents the vice of tawdriness and pretentiousness, and of falsification of the actual facts of the structure". Frank Brangwyn commented that "a more absurd structure than the Tower Bridge was never thrown across a strategic river". This year is exactly 120 years since Tower Bridge opened and it's one of London's foremost icons.

Before the London Eye was erected in the 1990s, there were people that went on similar tirades. Lord St John commented on "follies like the millennium wheel, which I hope will be moved to a more suitable site at the earliest possible moment." English Heritage opposed it and dismissed the proposals as "kitsch". Their opposition meant it wasn't granted planning approval, and was only erected as a 'temporary' five year structure. This meant that it was supposed to be pulled-down in 2005. This year is 14 years since the London Eye opened and it's already one of London's foremost icons, and the most popular tourist attraction in the entire city.

I could go on, but you get the picture. There will always be people that go on tirades against the architectural dynamism of London. That oppose the likes of Tower Bridge or the London Eye because at the time they don't "fit in" with their static view of the city.

London will continue to be dynamic, and in doing so continue to be London. If you dislike that, look away now:































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Old April 10th, 2014, 10:45 PM   #9933
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As stated before: Some nice and imposing solitary landmarks. But modernism rarely creates great urban, sustainable, timeless and vibrant mixed new neighborhoods. The golden age of cities ended with bland modernism and car-centrism dominating after 1945. Suburban sprawl, deadend CBD's, mono-use quarters, shopping malls, huge wasteful car infrastructures, satellite housing blocks, dead detached settlements etc...
At least there are attempts to continue true urbanism, more or less successfully, with e.g. New Urbanism.

Alright, enough with the provocations and excursions for today.
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Old April 10th, 2014, 10:58 PM   #9934
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You might want to avoid the London threads then JDLONerbse as its not going to change so its a lost cause and beyond your help. We will sadly have to live with the consequences :-(

Plenty of other world cities you can troll with whatever point your trying to make :-)
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Old April 10th, 2014, 10:59 PM   #9935
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As stated before: Some nice and imposing solitary landmarks. But modernism rarely creates great urban, sustainable, timeless and vibrant mixed new neighborhoods. The golden age of cities ended with bland modernism and car-centrism dominating after 1945. Suburban sprawl, deadend CBD's, mono-use quarters, shopping malls, huge wasteful car infrastructures, satellite housing blocks, dead detached settlements etc...
At least there are attempts to continue true urbanism, more or less successfully, with e.g. New Urbanism.

Alright, enough with the provocations and excursions for today.
Indeed there's traditionalists that will always be opposed to the likes of Västra Hamnen in Malmö, Westhafen in Frankfurt, La Confluence in Lyon or Oostelijk in Amsterdam.

There's several 'modern' districts in London that are under construction, the likes of King's Cross, Nine Elms, Greenwich Peninsula, Kidbrooke Village and so forth. Please wait until they're complete before dismissing them for not imitating traditional architectural styles.
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Old April 10th, 2014, 11:00 PM   #9936
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It's still not about traditionalist or not. It's about understanding what makes a good urban place. Too many contemporary architects and planners didn't so far. The places you mentioned are hardly well-accepted places in their urban fabric.

Again, this helps a lot: Principles of Intelligent Urbanism

Btw: Stop implying that I'm JDLON, thank you. Obviously I inspired this person to register, but I don't need self-assertions/soliloquizers to agree with me. There's enough people already who do anyway.
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Old April 10th, 2014, 11:05 PM   #9937
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London (...) is not going to change so its a lost cause and beyond your help
Aren't you constantly waving the London-changes-all-the-time-and-that's-what-makes-it-so-great flag? How's this going together at all?
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Old April 10th, 2014, 11:07 PM   #9939
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In context he means that London won't change from being London with respect to its dynamism.
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Old April 10th, 2014, 11:13 PM   #9940
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