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Old April 16th, 2014, 01:02 AM   #10061
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The Peninsula Tower | Greenwich Peninsula SE10

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=632984

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Old April 16th, 2014, 01:06 AM   #10062
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20 Fenchurch Street | City of London EC3

London thread:http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=321409

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Old April 16th, 2014, 01:32 AM   #10063
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! these projects are spectacular
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Old April 16th, 2014, 06:45 AM   #10064
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I LOVE the brickwork used in some of Kings Cross redevelopment. It looks beautiful. High quality.
Ugh, but it doesn't really fit the overall character of the building.

Also, what's the deal with all these "jail windows?" What I mean is the rows above and below a particular one don't line up.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 07:54 AM   #10065
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Growing in all the wrong places again, its not sustainable. Construction and manufacturing are still below their pre recession size, while services are above. We need to move away from just relying on the service sector to drive growth in the future.
Keep you away from the economy. Manufacturing employment have been falling for decades across the Western world as services have grown. services can be exported and the UK is one of the Worlds biggest exporter of services, we have strong competitive advantages in such areas, unlike manufacturing.

The principle reasons for the large trade gap, in the recent figures was due to a big fall in income from foreign investments (mostly due to exceptional items). Exports have been growing consumer imports have been relatively weak. A big reason for the lower levels of industrial output is the continued decline of oil and gas output from the North Sea and it's related industries.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 08:17 AM   #10066
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1) 50-100 billion.

2) True conservatism doesn't exist in this country. Not an issue. Also, wanting to preserve the M4 corridor is like being Pro-Mordor.
Relocated businesses will be replaced. Heathrow is a huge tract of empty land worth billions to developers.

3) You don't close Heathrow until the new airport is finished, obviously. Legal challenges and environmental reports are already in the pipeline (and will be ignored, just like the opposition to HS2).


Here's the kicker, though. A Thames Estuary airport has the benefit of being the only pro-NIMBY project in the entire world. Nobody lives in the estuary, everyone lives around Heathrow. If the alternative is a runway expansion at any one of the other London airports, it will automatically gain huge support anyway from people sick of aircraft noise.
But here's the problem, that £50 to £100 billion would have to be funded from government funds, when for a lot less money you could expand Heathrow and Gatwick, from which most of the cost would be paid for by the private sector.

Also the airy talk of just moving 70,000 jobs to the other side of the city, but London is vast and the new airport would be much further out in the opposite direction. Most of it's existing workers would lose there jobs as they could not afford to move and certainly afford to commute such distances. While the eastern side is not as rich as the West, there are not such vast pools of labour available.

The airport relies on a large amount of lowish paid workers, the eastern side of London is much less densely populated, especially near the new airport site. The airport would have to offer higher wages for people to able to commute to their jobs.

Plus it would a decade at least for any significant new employment to emerge from a redeveloped Heathrow. If people are saying it should mostly be housing, then that's even less employment land. Meanwhile unemployment in Hounslow, Staines, Feltham, Hillingdon and Slough sky rockets with no replacement jobs with more jobs relocating to be near the airport.

Most other airport relocations have happened in smaller cities, where the distances were not so vast and often in the same general direction of the existing airports, just further out, so the relocation effects were much lower.

In London's case that would mean the best location for a new airport would be to the North West/West.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 11:17 AM   #10067
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That small, I thought it was larger than that
Well it is just a Wharf afterall.....

The Docklands is a larger area.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 11:29 AM   #10068
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The Docklands look fantastic!!!!!

Providence Tower is going to look great. I love that view while driving along the A13.

Lincoln Plaza is OUTSTANDING! Cannot wait to see that shoot up.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 12:12 PM   #10069
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Old April 16th, 2014, 12:25 PM   #10070
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The Francis Crick Institute | St Pancras NW1

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1020221

Official website: http://www.crick.ac.uk/



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  • Cost: £600 million ($930m)
  • Floorspace: 79,000m²
  • Largest centre for biomedical research and innovation in Europe
  • 1,250 scientists, with an annual budget of over £100 million



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Old April 16th, 2014, 12:29 PM   #10071
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Tate Modern extension | Bankside SE1

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=377117

Official website: http://www.tate.org.uk/about/project...modern-project



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  • Extension to the world's most visited gallery of modern art
  • Cost: £215 million ($350m)
  • Architect: Herzog & de Meuron
  • Completion: 2016



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Old April 16th, 2014, 12:30 PM   #10072
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But here's the problem, that £50 to £100 billion would have to be funded from government funds, when for a lot less money you could expand Heathrow and Gatwick, from which most of the cost would be paid for by the private sector.

Also the airy talk of just moving 70,000 jobs to the other side of the city, but London is vast and the new airport would be much further out in the opposite direction. Most of it's existing workers would lose there jobs as they could not afford to move and certainly afford to commute such distances. While the eastern side is not as rich as the West, there are not such vast pools of labour available.

The airport relies on a large amount of lowish paid workers, the eastern side of London is much less densely populated, especially near the new airport site. The airport would have to offer higher wages for people to able to commute to their jobs.

Plus it would a decade at least for any significant new employment to emerge from a redeveloped Heathrow. If people are saying it should mostly be housing, then that's even less employment land. Meanwhile unemployment in Hounslow, Staines, Feltham, Hillingdon and Slough sky rockets with no replacement jobs with more jobs relocating to be near the airport.

Most other airport relocations have happened in smaller cities, where the distances were not so vast and often in the same general direction of the existing airports, just further out, so the relocation effects were much lower.

In London's case that would mean the best location for a new airport would be to the North West/West.
You're right on all counts. A Thames Hub would be hugely expensive and disruptive. No doubt.

But I still think it will happen because governments like big projects like that. HS2 has been opposed by a lot of people, and dismissed by a lot of experts, but overwhelmingly liked by politicians because it ticks a lot of political boxes.

A Thames Estuary Airport, or an even larger Thames Hub, would be a nightmare for people at or around Heathrow. But maybe it's one of those 'rip off the bandaid' type deals, where in the long run it's better overall despite short-term problems.

And there's no real 'best location' for a new airport. Anywhere you build it is going to be criticized for not being somewhere else, by the people living somewhere else. And a London airport has to serve first and foremost the city of London. Yes, the rest of the UK needs a gateway, and Heathrow is that. But the terrible state of regional airports (I flew out of Manchester two months ago and it was just awful) doesn't mean London has some obligation to the rest of the country to pick up the slack. Not entirely.
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Bloomberg Place | City of London EC2

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=351887

Official website: http://www.bbp-walbrooksquare.co.uk/



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  • Floorspace: 100,368m²
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Old April 16th, 2014, 12:53 PM   #10074
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Keep you away from the economy. Manufacturing employment have been falling for decades across the Western world as services have grown. services can be exported and the UK is one of the Worlds biggest exporter of services, we have strong competitive advantages in such areas, unlike manufacturing.

The principle reasons for the large trade gap, in the recent figures was due to a big fall in income from foreign investments (mostly due to exceptional items). Exports have been growing consumer imports have been relatively weak. A big reason for the lower levels of industrial output is the continued decline of oil and gas output from the North Sea and it's related industries.
Did I say stop investing in our service sector? No i didn't. I'm just saying we need a balanced economy, and if you are against that then I think its you that shouldn't be let near the economy.
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Thames Hub Airport | Kent

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=741868

Official website: http://www.fosterandpartners.com/ThamesHub/



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  • Location: Isle of Grain, Kent
  • Runways: 4
  • Hours of operation: 24 hour airport
  • Architect: Norman Foster + Partners
  • Initial capacity: 110m passengers per annum
  • Full capacity: 150m passengers per annum

The Mayor of London has offered Heathrow Airport a stake in the proposed Thames Hub Airport:

- The Telegraph: Boris: Heathrow could operate new hub airport in Thames Estuary

- Kent Online: Mayor of London Boris Johnson sets out Heathrow Airport plan if Thames Estuary hub goes ahead





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The Francis Crick Institute is excellent. Bloomberg Place is disappointing.
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The Francis Crick Institute seriously looks like a beetle from above.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 03:46 PM   #10078
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Wow.... that Thames Hub video has certainly changed some of my opions....
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The only problem is cost. I mean, it's not about what you want to do, it's what you can do. What Foster is proposing is demonstrably good. If it popped into existence in the blink of an eye, the whole country - but especially the south-east - would benefit tremendously.

But the thing they don't say is it would be £50-100 billion. That's 5-10 Olympic games. That's 2-3 HS2s. That's 6 Crossrails alone. It would be the most expensive infrastructure project in Europe by nearly an order of magnitude.

So you have to say: well is it the best way to spend that amount of money? And the answer is: Probably. Maybe. Let's wait and see.

There are alternatives that are way more cost-effective. If there weren't, this wouldn't be such a long decision process. For the record: I expect a Thames Hub, as envisioned by Foster in that video, to be greenlit sometime during the next parliament. Labour are going to want their own white elephant to eclipse the Tory's one.
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The only problem is cost. I mean, it's not about what you want to do, it's what you can do. What Foster is proposing is demonstrably good. If it popped into existence in the blink of an eye, the whole country - but especially the south-east - would benefit tremendously.

But the thing they don't say is it would be £50-100 billion. That's 5-10 Olympic games. That's 2-3 HS2s. That's 6 Crossrails alone. It would be the most expensive infrastructure project in Europe by nearly an order of magnitude.

So you have to say: well is it the best way to spend that amount of money? And the answer is: Probably. Maybe. Let's wait and see.

There are alternatives that are way more cost-effective. If there weren't, this wouldn't be such a long decision process. For the record: I expect a Thames Hub, as envisioned by Foster in that video, to be greenlit sometime during the next parliament. Labour are going to want their own white elephant to eclipse the Tory's one.
This is a very fair statement really.

IF Labour get in....
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