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Old April 27th, 2014, 01:56 AM   #10181
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Baltimore Tower | Canary Wharf E14

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...hp?p=105569479

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Old April 27th, 2014, 02:11 AM   #10182
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New Ludgate | City of London EC4

London forum thread:http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1427840

Official website: http://newludgate.com/



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Old April 27th, 2014, 06:16 AM   #10183
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I applaud London for the Olympic Park and its buildings. Really good solitary buildings and a lovely, well-kept park. Hopefully it'll stay like that and won't look run-down in a decade or earlier (as too many other high-profile project parks around the globe do after they're "forgotten", sadly).
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Old April 27th, 2014, 08:06 AM   #10184
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Erbse, London's track record on major park maintenance is excellent. I wouldn't worry about that.
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Old April 27th, 2014, 09:29 AM   #10185
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Erbse, London's track record on major park maintenance is excellent. I wouldn't worry about that.
Yes, but what about the genius loci?
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Old April 27th, 2014, 11:26 AM   #10186
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Can you feel it? Westminster, it's there.
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Old April 27th, 2014, 07:23 PM   #10187
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Erbus, I don't understand what you're talking about.
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Old April 27th, 2014, 07:32 PM   #10188
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Look for yourself. Here. And here. Even here. Futuristic works here. And of course this works.

Places that got the genius right.
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Old April 27th, 2014, 10:40 PM   #10189
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Yes isn't it wonderful London has cleaned and maintained a whole host of its pre war buildings and replacing the dire post war ones with nice contemporary architecture. It really is a fantastic example of how to have the best of both worlds
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Old April 28th, 2014, 12:54 AM   #10190
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That was your comment, Sir.


That's exactly what I'm chalking up to many SSC users. Yeah, we all are excited about new projects and towers. But when we as the public don't consider things like urban integration, vitality, genius loci, proper mixes of use, sustainable and high-quality architecture - then developers won't either.

Not churning up a second phase of the chewy discussion, but it needs to be brought up constantly that not every development is 100% perfect, as some comments imply.
lol... okay. Once again that was not was I was implying... when I said that I wasn't implying something I did mean it. But okay bro.. don't freak out bro... we like, like skyscrapers in London bro.. so ya know... don't get too stressed bro. mmmmkay? ........kay.

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Old April 28th, 2014, 09:46 AM   #10191
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I'm not stressed, hardly anytime living at the calming Baltic Sea.

You should learn not to speak for others, they can do for themselves.
"We like skyscrapers in London" - any evidence for that? Official representative polls, statistics? I'm curious. You could be true, but you didn't prove it.
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Old April 28th, 2014, 12:59 PM   #10192
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The majority of people on these forums like skyscrapers in London and tens of thousands like them throughout the world also on this forum.

Are you saying London shouldn't build tall??
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Old April 28th, 2014, 01:13 PM   #10193
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The majority of people on these forums like skyscrapers in London and tens of thousands like them throughout the world also on this forum.
Are you saying London shouldn't build tall??
Of course, we're at SSC. Which obviously represents skyscraper fanatics and hardly a majority. Many around here celebrate any sort of tall building, no matter how cruelly dreadful the architecture is (see several Asian/Arabian project threads, sorry guys).

And I dare to doubt that a majority of the London populace is in favour of skyscrapers scattered across the city all that much. Of course you should build tall to cluster more, but you should also be careful about keeping and creating good urban environments and cityscapes.

Anyway, I'm really interested in sources/facts about the public opinion of Londoners on the matter.
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Old April 28th, 2014, 01:57 PM   #10194
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Most people are nimbys anyway and hate everything new no matter if it's transport, skyscrapers or other forms of development.
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Old April 28th, 2014, 03:01 PM   #10195
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Anyway, I'm really interested in sources/facts about the public opinion of Londoners on the matter.
In a recent survey, the Gherkin was Londoners’ favourite building, followed by the Shard and then the Cheesegrater.
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Old April 28th, 2014, 03:25 PM   #10196
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I think if there is any city that is the epitome of keeping historical streetscapes while mixing new with old and tall with short, London is your perfect canvas. So I struggle to see your point as London has better public spaces, and much more attractive streetscapes then so many other major cities which you could be having this debate with.
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Old April 28th, 2014, 03:28 PM   #10197
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Why does it have to be either or? People seem to think that either London is falling apart and turning into Sao Paulo, or it is the master of mixing old and new and everything is wonderful. There are some truths to both of these statements.
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Old April 28th, 2014, 03:33 PM   #10198
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Indeed Bricks. I despise extremes. People tend to overreact terribly.
You're talking about a current premise, Birmingham. And I tend to agree, London does good at mixing old with new.

But in the future it'll be harder to do so. It's not like "historical/traditional" architecture grows as exponential as modernist does. So the balance is shifting towards the "newer". Perhaps too much if the right steps aren't taken. New classical buildings of e.g. Quinlan Terry and Robert Adam can keep the balance positive - see Richmond Riverside of 1987.

Add to that the buildings that get demolished. Victorian buildings might be considered "worthless" again.
I'm adressing buts and could-bes of a future careless generation here (remember the 60s, it can happen again), but since London is among the world cities with the biggest impact on architectural discussions it needs to be adressed. For London to remain a city full of unique visible history, pre-war heritage and creative new architecture at the same time. And to become even more impressive for future generations.

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http://www.traditionalarchitecture.co.uk/
http://www.princes-foundation.org/
http://intbau.org/
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Old April 28th, 2014, 03:49 PM   #10199
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Indeed Bricks. I despise extremes. People tend to overreact terribly.
You're talking about a current premise, Birmingham. And I tend to agree, London does good at mixing old with new.

But in the future it'll be harder to do so. It's not like "historical/traditional" architecture grows as exponential as modernist does. So the balance is shifting towards the "newer". Perhaps too much if the right steps aren't taken. New classical buildings of e.g. Quinlan Terry and Robert Adam can keep the balance positive - see Richmond Riverside of 1987.

I'm adressing buts and could-bes of a future careless generation here (remember the 60s, it can happen again), but since London is among the world cities with the biggest impact on architectural discussions it needs to be adressed. For London to remain a city full of unique visible history, pre-war heritage and creative new architecture at the same time. And to become even more impressive for future generations.

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http://www.traditionalarchitecture.co.uk/
http://www.princes-foundation.org/
http://intbau.org/
I swear we have come to an absolute full circle of conversation regarding this. London will not become another Sao Paolo or Schenzen due to many laws and processes. The City of London and other London Boroughs only build towers in appropriate places.

Also; most Londoners are pro-Skyscaper: http://offices.org.uk/news/londoners...-04142734.html

In the future the majority of skyscraper/high-rise development will be focused in Canary Wharf and the docklands which replaced.. well un-used docks (thus the name) that were run down, and not used. London has made the correct decision in building up.

Aslong as the London population is happy... everyone is happy. Besides, when the majority of Londoners are anti-something; trust me.. we all hear about it. Skyscrapers are not one of these problems.
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Lewisham Gateway | Lewisham SE13

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=888804

Official website: http://www.newlewisham.com/



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  • Homes: 800



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