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Old February 23rd, 2015, 05:42 PM   #13141
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Some projects look like bridge in Tbilisi: http://www.pharoscontrols.com/blog/w...ge_tbilisi.jpg
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 05:51 PM   #13142
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All of the bridges (except the dull fourth one) look incredible.



...if only they could build this, instead of the Garden Bridge.
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 06:32 PM   #13143
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All of the bridges (except the dull fourth one) look incredible.



...if only they could build this, instead of the Garden Bridge.
I am sure that river users are going love this, free shower anyone?
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 06:39 PM   #13144
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I don't get it. What is fundamentally different between that one and the garden bridge? What is your exact issue with the garden bridge this other design avoids? It's just swapped trees for water. It's a footbridge with no real commercial value. And it's putting artistry over utility.

Sometimes I think people are looking for reasons to hate the garden bridge because, well, I don't know.
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 07:19 PM   #13145
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They're all nice

The fourth one is sleek, not dull
This is a dull bridge:
http://www.co.delaware.oh.us/enginee...-07a_small.JPG
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 08:27 PM   #13146
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They're all nice

The fourth one is sleek, not dull
This is a dull bridge:
http://www.co.delaware.oh.us/enginee...-07a_small.JPG
The fifth one is my personal favourite.. Modern and sleek, love the overall layout and design too. I also like how they have separated the cyclists and pedestrians. And the spiral entrances/exits are a nice touch! This is definitely my favourite
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 08:58 PM   #13147
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I love the first brigdes and the last one. They are super, I hope that it gets built
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 09:43 PM   #13148
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I did the survey on the website for them bridges and they ask for 4 that I like and 4 that I dislike and the waterfall one I put down as one I don't like. I think it looks ridiculous.
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 09:58 PM   #13149
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I don't get it. What is fundamentally different between that one and the garden bridge? What is your exact issue with the garden bridge this other design avoids? It's just swapped trees for water. It's a footbridge with no real commercial value. And it's putting artistry over utility.

Sometimes I think people are looking for reasons to hate the garden bridge because, well, I don't know.
  • The Nine Elms bridge is an actual transport connection, a necessity for its location
  • The bridge will have provisions for pedestrians and cyclists
  • The bridge will cost a fraction to build and maintain
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 10:37 PM   #13150
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Lewisham Gateway | Lewisham SE13

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=888804

Official website: http://www.newlewisham.com/



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  • Address: Lewisham Gateway, Station Road, London SE13
  • Developer: Muse Developments
  • Architect: PRP Architects
  • Cost: £250 million ($390m)
  • Homes: 800



Lewisham Gateway rising, photo by Retro Specs:


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Old February 23rd, 2015, 10:39 PM   #13151
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  • The Nine Elms bridge is an actual transport connection, a necessity for its location
  • The bridge will have provisions for pedestrians and cyclists
  • The bridge will cost a fraction to build and maintain
The cost figure you provided is outdated, though; it comes from 2011. The 2013 cost-benefit report was based on a cost of £60m. Already the same price for the taxpayer as the Garden Bridge. And that's based on a ±30% optimism bias. The cost in 2015 would undeniably be higher.

Moreover, half of these designs, like the waterfall one which people seem to love, are more complex pieces of engineering than the Garden Bridge. To suggest, as you are, that it would cost the taxpayer a fraction is terribly misleading.

Realistically, the more interesting designs here would cost something similar to the £175m total price-tag of the Garden Bridge. But without private donations to pay for most of it. Although, luckily the Nine Elms development will give £25m or so in infrastructure levies towards the project.
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 10:43 PM   #13152
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One The Elephant | Elephant & Castle SE1

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...hp?p=105441658

Official website: http://www.onetheelephant.com/



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  • Address: One The Elephant, Churchyard Row, London SE1
  • Developer: Lend Lease
  • Architect: Squire and Partners
  • Height: 123m
  • Floors: 37



Cladding rising, balcony installation yet to start. Update by opayek:


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Old February 23rd, 2015, 10:44 PM   #13153
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I quite like this one; it might be designed by Zaha Hadid's workshop:

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Old February 23rd, 2015, 11:09 PM   #13154
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The cost figure you provided is outdated, though; it comes from 2011. The 2013 cost-benefit report was based on a cost of £60m. Already the same price for the taxpayer as the Garden Bridge. And that's based on a ±30% optimism bias. The cost in 2015 would undeniably be higher.

Moreover, half of these designs, like the waterfall one which people seem to love, are more complex pieces of engineering than the Garden Bridge. To suggest, as you are, that it would cost the taxpayer a fraction is terribly misleading.

Realistically, the more interesting designs here would cost something similar to the £175m total price-tag of the Garden Bridge. But without private donations to pay for most of it. Although, luckily the Nine Elms development will give £25m or so in infrastructure levies towards the project.
I took the cost from the recently updated design competition site. Nevertheless, the £40m to £60m price tag for this project, in any of the proposed iterations, is substantially less than £175m plus the garden maintenance costs.

That's £40m to £60m for a necessary crossing, with proper provision for cyclists and pedestrians and a healthier cost-benefit ratio than the Garden Bridge according to TfL figures.
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 11:49 PM   #13155
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I quite like this one; it might be designed by Zaha Hadid's workshop:

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Old February 23rd, 2015, 11:53 PM   #13156
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I quite like this one; it might be designed by Zaha Hadid's workshop:
I had the same thought.

I can't imagine the waterfall one being built in a month of sundays. a leap year of sundays even. (1) boats (2) cost (3) wind (4) environmentally awful (5) did I mention boats?

I suppose they could only turn it on for special occasions, on windless days, when there was a moratorium on river traffic, but that would make even more of a joke of the cost of building it.
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Old February 24th, 2015, 01:02 AM   #13157
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One Blackfriars | South Bank SE1

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=400279

Official website: http://www.oneblackfriars.co.uk/



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  • Address: 1 Blackfriars Road, London SE1
  • Developer: St George
  • Architect: Ian Simpson Architects
  • Height: 163m
  • Floors: 52



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Old February 24th, 2015, 02:20 AM   #13158
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I took the cost from the recently updated design competition site. Nevertheless, the £40m to £60m price tag for this project, in any of the proposed iterations, is substantially less than £175m plus the garden maintenance costs.

That's £40m to £60m for a necessary crossing, with proper provision for cyclists and pedestrians and a healthier cost-benefit ratio than the Garden Bridge according to TfL figures.
Either the budget will have to more than triple to build some of these designs, if indeed some of them can built. Or more likely most of the ideas will have to be diluted into affordability.
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Old February 24th, 2015, 09:16 AM   #13159
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Either the budget will have to more than triple to build some of these designs, if indeed some of them can built. Or more likely most of the ideas will have to be diluted into affordability.
Architects would have been told to bear the project cost in mind when formulating their proposal.

The span of the Nine Elms bridge is half that of the Garden Bridge, none of these designs would approach the latter in price.
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Old February 24th, 2015, 11:47 AM   #13160
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I pretty much liked most of those designs minus The Waterfall one. It'll be a great and well needed addition to the Nine Elms project.


Also, I can't believe how quick One The Elephant is growing!
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