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Old June 15th, 2015, 08:50 PM   #14441
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It would be interesting to see if they go ahead with the construction of this building. Would rather it if they continue with the original design to be honest it looked a lot nicer where as this one is just so basic
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Old June 15th, 2015, 09:33 PM   #14442
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Original design is dead. Get over it.
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Old June 15th, 2015, 11:10 PM   #14443
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Compared to other recent redesigns, this is great. *cough* 2WTC. Couldn't be more pleased.
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Old June 15th, 2015, 11:27 PM   #14444
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It kind of looks like a modern upscaled Tower 42. Intriguing.
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Old June 15th, 2015, 11:49 PM   #14445
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22 Bishopsgate | City of London EC2

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=375557

Official website: http://at22.co.uk/



Project facts
  • Address: 22-24 Bishopsgate, London EC2
  • Developer: Axa Real Estate and Lipton Rogers
  • Architect: PLP Architects
  • Height: 278m
  • Floors: 62

Details on the new design for 22 Bishopsgate, released today. A planning application will be submitted next month:

- Axa Real Estate: Public Consultation for 22 Bishopsgate

- Financial Times: City’s tallest tower to rise from ‘Pinnacle’ ashes

- Bloomberg: Axa Unveils Plans to Transform ‘Stump’ Into London Skyscraper




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Old June 16th, 2015, 12:13 AM   #14446
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One Blackfriars | South Bank SE1

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=400279

Official website: http://www.oneblackfriars.co.uk/



Project facts
  • Address: 1 Blackfriars Road, London SE1
  • London borough: Southwark
  • Developer: St George
  • Architect: Ian Simpson Architects
  • Height: 163m
  • Floors: 52



Core rising at One Blackfriars:

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Old June 16th, 2015, 12:22 AM   #14447
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Re 22 Bishopsgate...

If only the Corporation would refuse planning permission and force the developer to come up with a better quality, more sympathetic proposal.

It doesn't look too bad in the very carefully chosen renders above. It's ordinary and relatively inoffensive, I suppose. But it's how it will look from some other angles that really concerns me. It appears that it will be very bulky and I think that it could well ruin the cluster rather than provide it with a unifying focal point. Of course, the Pinnacle was also bulky but its signature upper third and curved lines somehow dissipated the effect of its mass to an extent.

I understand that the bottom line dictates that architects should provide the greatest amount of floor space per footprint but I can't help feeling that ordinary design like this for such a key project cheapens the value of the City brand as a whole. That's not to say that we need anything whacky and "original" on the site. We just need something tall and elegant. Something a little more slender than this above a certain height, say.

Sadly, my guess is that this will pass through planning relatively unaltered and that we'll thereafter just have to live with it. A great shame.
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Old June 16th, 2015, 12:31 AM   #14448
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I think I'll be retired by the time the tate extention is complete.
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Old June 16th, 2015, 01:49 AM   #14449
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The original design was much better, such a shame
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Old June 16th, 2015, 09:48 AM   #14450
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Old June 16th, 2015, 12:35 PM   #14451
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It's post-Pinnacle breakdown syndrome.
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Old June 16th, 2015, 01:49 PM   #14452
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I like it but still want to see a higher quality render of the cladding before I make a final judgement on it. I think at the moment, it looks better than a value engineered pinnacle, as it would end up looking like tour first in la defence.
what you are seeing is the value-engineered Pinnacle! Nothing more to see
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Old June 16th, 2015, 02:08 PM   #14453
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I really don't get why people are so angry over this, it's like ppl were expecting London's version of the crysler building in NY. If the pinnacle went ahead, we'd have had a upgraded tour first. So rather than having a tower that paris has already got, we've went our way and got a good modern skyscraper, tho not a iconic one at that.
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Old June 16th, 2015, 02:38 PM   #14454
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I really don't get why people are so angry over this, it's like ppl were expecting London's version of the crysler building in NY. If the pinnacle went ahead, we'd have had a upgraded tour first. So rather than having a tower that paris has already got, we've went our way and got a good modern skyscraper, tho not a iconic one at that.
oh my god, at last a sane person here! despite all those negative comments about the new Pinnacle design I find it a rather sleek building that can enhance the City skyline and to be honest I prefer it over the old design. this is just my opinion but whatever anyone's opinion is, being biased over something that hasn't even been approved yet is wrong.
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Old June 16th, 2015, 03:16 PM   #14455
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I really don't get why people are so angry over this, it's like ppl were expecting London's version of the crysler building in NY. If the pinnacle went ahead, we'd have had a upgraded tour first. So rather than having a tower that paris has already got, we've went our way and got a good modern skyscraper, tho not a iconic one at that.
I'm not angry. I'm just disappointed and underwhelmed.

And just as you apparently don't get why others are angry, I have to say that I really don't get why you don't appear to be at least a little disappointed. Shouldn't we hope and expect the very best for our great city? Demand it, even? Should we be happy with ordinary? Should we celebrate compromise and build it 280 metres tall? Should we bow dutifully and unquestioningly before the bottom line? Do we really want accountants, instead of architects, designing our important buildings?

I agree with you that the value engineered Pinnacle is no great loss. But that doesn't mean that what replaces it can be excused for being characterless and even blockier. Wait until you see the views that they've tried very hard not to show you. I am prepared to bet that the sheer bulk will make a mess of the burgeoning city cluster. Ruin it instead of enhancing it. Remember that this isn't just another skyscraper in just another location. It is meant to be the skyscraper in the location. The tallest tower in the middle of the City. The unifying focal point.

This new design is not worthy - not by a long shot - of such a role.
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Old June 16th, 2015, 03:23 PM   #14456
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I think it will look pretty good (if cladded properly) once finished.

It is still a big freaking building.
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Old June 16th, 2015, 03:37 PM   #14457
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It's okay.... but I can't help but think that the design just doesn't look 'London'.
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Old June 16th, 2015, 04:42 PM   #14458
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This design does not have the glitz of the Pinnacle but it is a perfectly fine commercial building designed to meet the office market requirements of the City of London and to be profitable with no public funds. It will offer amazing views and have public access, restaurant etc at the top - which is great. Most of all, this will be built, with work to commence shortly, in just over a month, and the City will finally get the central tall tower that visually will tie the cluster together.

In the 2020s, we'll see more towers built which will pad out the cluster, and perhaps one or two more which are similar in scale to 22 Bishopsgate. These are still exciting times for London.

As a final note, keep in mind that the City does not like buildings which are too glitzy, it does not want to draw too much attention to itself and its highly profitable and remunerative business. No doubt the City may actually be relieved that a "quieter" central skyscraper perseveres.
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Old June 16th, 2015, 05:03 PM   #14459
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As a final note, keep in mind that the City does not like buildings which are too glitzy, it does not want to draw too much attention to itself and its highly profitable and remunerative business. No doubt the City may actually be relieved that a "quieter" central skyscraper perseveres.
Eh?

"Gherkin"; "Cheesegrater"; "Helter Skelter"; "Can of Ham"; "Scalpel"; "Walkie Talkie".......

The City was happy for all of these projects to be built. And all are attention seeking (mostly in a good way). There's a reason why it was so easy for the media to give them nicknames. So, with respect, I make you quite wrong about this!

That's not to say that the Pinnacle replacement had to be attention seeking (other than the fact that it will inevitably be so simply because of its height). But blocky blandness? Nah. Not for me.
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Old June 16th, 2015, 05:05 PM   #14460
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Wait until you see the views that they've tried very hard not to show you. I am prepared to bet that the sheer bulk will make a mess
the thing that never seems to get mentioned though, is that the pinnacle was / would have been equally fat, from the 'fat angles', and tried pretty much just as hard to avoid showing those same angles

it's the same size and shape plot after all.

granted the pinnacle attempted to mitigate this by presenting a strong vertical, the 'fold' of it meeting itself (don't really know how to verbalise this), breaking up the wide side, but I'm not really convinced that would have made a whole heap of difference, from distant/silhouette perspectives it would still look like one big slab.

Edit: I was reading the thread backwards, scrolled up and saw you actually made this same point in an earlier post, albeit giving more credit to the pinnacle's design as likely to reduce the impact. fair play.

As a side note, there are so many appeals for "drawing the cluster together" etc- 20FS blew any chance of that imo! I don't see how the cluster can ever be 'coherent' unless/until that is knocked down or surrounded/linked to the other towers. Not that that is anexcuse for a crap building elsewhere, obviously, just musing...
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