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Old June 16th, 2015, 11:04 PM   #14461
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Eh?

"Gherkin"; "Cheesegrater"; "Helter Skelter"; "Can of Ham"; "Scalpel"; "Walkie Talkie".......

The City was happy for all of these projects to be built. And all are attention seeking (mostly in a good way). There's a reason why it was so easy for the media to give them nicknames. So, with respect, I make you quite wrong about this!

That's not to say that the Pinnacle replacement had to be attention seeking (other than the fact that it will inevitably be so simply because of its height). But blocky blandness? Nah. Not for me.
You list a few recent high quality high rise buildings, and most definately in recent years the City has required tall buildings to be high quality, but look at practically everything else that has been built in the City in the 20thC and the early part of the 21st century - there is very little that really stands out, and that in large part is because the City does not want to stand out. This is not written as planning guidance anywhere, but just look around. It is only where a client really wants a building to stand out that something glitzy actually happens, such as Lloyds of London, and they had to threaten to leave the City before this building was permitted to be built.

The reason why some taller buildings are now being permitted is because the City has no choice. In the 1990s CW was the only place where large international financial companies could locate due to planning constraints in the City. The City realized it had to relax its planning policies otherwise it would lose the finance and insurance companies to new locations, hence the allowance of new tall and more interesting architecture centred on Bishopsgate. The consequence is less office development at CW than otherwise would have happened. However, once the current skyscraper projects are realized up to c.2020, it will be interesting to see if the City further relaxes its planning constraints to keep businesses, or will other high rise nodes or districts develoo in London.
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Old June 16th, 2015, 11:32 PM   #14462
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You list a few recent high quality high rise buildings, and most definately in recent years the City has required tall buildings to be high quality, but look at practically everything else that has been built in the City in the 20thC and the early part of the 21st century - there is very little that really stands out, and that in large part is because the City does not want to stand out. This is not written as planning guidance anywhere, but just look around. It is only where a client really wants a building to stand out that something glitzy actually happens, such as Lloyds of London, and they had to threaten to leave the City before this building was permitted to be built.
The fact remains that this century the City has undergone its greatest, most striking transformation.

Skyscrapers are inevitably going to dominate their surroundings, so to discard them from your assessment of how much the City 'stands out' is preposterous. Comparatively speaking, the City's architecture and overall impression is far less conservative than Canary Wharf's.
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Old June 17th, 2015, 02:03 AM   #14463
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Both the old 'Pinnacle' design and the new version look elegant enough when their narrow face is in view, but what is seriously problematic is the width of the wide side in relation to the (not inconsiderable) height, resulting in something incredibly oversized and unappealing.
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Old June 17th, 2015, 05:48 AM   #14464
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The worst thing about this new design for me is its ambiguous. Not only is it completely different looking from every angle, like the old pinnicle design I guess. But unlike its predecessor and just about every other contemporary tall building the shape has no obvious identity, you couldn't sketch it on a piece of paper easily, in fact as soon as youv'e seen it your left thinking what does it actually look like? Good luck with this one shardbaby.
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Old June 17th, 2015, 08:21 AM   #14465
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The worst thing about this new design for me is its ambiguous. Not only is it completely different looking from every angle, like the old pinnicle design I guess. But unlike its predecessor and just about every other contemporary tall building the shape has no obvious identity, you couldn't sketch it on a piece of paper easily, in fact as soon as youv'e seen it your left thinking what does it actually look like? Good luck with this one shardbaby.
New architectural genre ... ambiguityism?
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Old June 17th, 2015, 08:40 PM   #14466
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Tate Modern Project | Bankside SE1

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=377117

Official website: http://www.tate.org.uk/about/project...modern-project



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  • Extension to the world's most visited gallery of modern art
  • London borough: Southwark
  • Architect: Herzog & de Meuron
  • Cost: £215 million ($325m)
  • Height: 65m
  • Floors: 11
  • Total floorspace: 22,492m²



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Old June 17th, 2015, 08:44 PM   #14467
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The Goodsyard London | Shoreditch E1

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=430856

Official website: http://thegoodsyardlondon.co.uk/



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  • Address: Bishopsgate Goods Yard, Shoreditch High Street, London E1
  • Developer: Hammerson and Ballymore
  • Architect: Terry Farrell and Partners
  • Cost: £800 million ($1.3bn)
  • Homes: 1,356
  • Office space: 65,859m²
  • Retail space: 17,499m²

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Old June 17th, 2015, 09:54 PM   #14468
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^ It looks good - let's hope it doesn't get dumbed down aka nimbyied.
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Old June 18th, 2015, 12:29 AM   #14469
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Technically, this is the 'dumbed down' alternative to the original proposal. Though I think it looks better from what I've seen so far.
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Old June 18th, 2015, 04:07 AM   #14470
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Television Centre | White City W12

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1398684

Official website: http://www.television-centre.com/



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  • Address: Television Centre, Wood Lane, London W12
  • London borough: Hammersmith & Fulham
  • Developer: Stanhope
  • Architects: AHMM, Maccreanor Lavington, Duggan Morris, Gillespies, dRMM
  • Homes: 950



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Old June 18th, 2015, 04:10 AM   #14471
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The fact remains that this century the City has undergone its greatest, most striking transformation.

Skyscrapers are inevitably going to dominate their surroundings, so to discard them from your assessment of how much the City 'stands out' is preposterous. Comparatively speaking, the City's architecture and overall impression is far less conservative than Canary Wharf's.
With all due respect, the City has undergone a number of very significant transformations over time, it is debatable whether the last century is the most significant in comparison say with the London that transformed itself after the Great Fire of 1666, though there is no question that there has been a significant transformation. There are some streets and areas which have totally changed (London Wall), and others where there has been much less change, such as the Temple area.

Also, I have not stated that there is no architecture that stands out, only that the City of London in general does not take to architecture that stands out and that it does not like to draw attention to its wealth. Compare London with many other financial centres such as NYC, Chicago, Hong Kong, Singapore, etc., as well as many cities today in China or the Middle East where many developers and their respective municipalities sought to make their buildings very spectacular in design, where height is synonymous with prestige. It has only been in very recent years that in London a few developers have done likewise, mainly because of the high visual impact of very high rise towers, which the City now needs in order to stay competitive with CW. The vast majority of recent low and mid-rise developments in the City are very neutral, high quality but restrained in terms of form and facade designs. In terms of rent the City of London's office buildings are amongst the most expensive in the world, and they could be far more interesting in terms of architectural design, but for the most part they are not. Southwark and Lambeth are far more open to interesting high rise design than the City. Ask yourself why.
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Old June 18th, 2015, 05:16 AM   #14472
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Imperial West | White City W12

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1534686

Official website: http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/imperialwest



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  • New campus for Imperial College London
  • London borough: Hammersmith & Fulham
  • Developer: Voreda and Imperial College London
  • Cost: £3 billion ($4.8bn)
  • Site area: 25 acres





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Excuse my ignorance but with the dumbing down of the goodsyard is there a decrease in height of the tallest towers? It would be a real shame if so as it probably looks even better now.
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The second tallest tower appears to be a few storeys shorter.
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Old June 18th, 2015, 12:19 PM   #14475
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Wow the Goodsyard just feels so London!

Wish they had gone for that type of architecture and color scheme around the battersea power station, it would have given a real 'industrial England' feel to that area.

The current buildings for battersea look really good but they just seem a little random next to the brick landmark.
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Old June 18th, 2015, 12:52 PM   #14476
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The second tallest tower appears to be a few storeys shorter.
From the looks of things the 4 tallest towers have all had London haircuts.
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Old June 18th, 2015, 06:48 PM   #14477
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From the looks of things the 4 tallest towers have all had London haircuts.
The usual suspects wait with their scissors poised ... with an often ironic lack of any sense of aesthetic. 'Must cut' is their sole mantra.
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Old June 19th, 2015, 01:39 AM   #14478
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From the looks of things the 4 tallest towers have all had London haircuts.
The tallest has been reduced in height by the equivalent of one storey, although it remains the same number of storeys.

The second, third and fourth tallest have all been reduced by four storeys.
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The usual suspects wait with their scissors poised ... with an often ironic lack of any sense of aesthetic. 'Must cut' is their sole mantra.
Yes..the ubiquitous London haircut as london lad so brilliantly puts it. The juvenile obsession with castrating everything that aspires to stand out and not understanding the basic loss of any elegance and aesthetic quality that height adds to architecture. Can't think of a tall building that hasn't been trimmed in London. I think 100 bishopsgate got a slight increase, pathetic really!
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Old June 19th, 2015, 08:39 AM   #14480
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Yes..the ubiquitous London haircut as london lad so brilliantly puts it. The juvenile obsession with castrating everything that aspires to stand out and not understanding the basic loss of any elegance and aesthetic quality that height adds to architecture. Can't think of a tall building that hasn't been trimmed in London. I think 100 bishopsgate got a slight increase, pathetic really!
Yes, perennial obtuseness.
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