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Old August 4th, 2015, 08:18 PM   #15041
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Old August 4th, 2015, 10:48 PM   #15042
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I have to say I personally think the Battersea Power Station project looks pretty awful. I am no Chelsea fan but it would have looked marvelous as a stadium and probably would have been a tourist attraction in its own right. As it is, this magnificent building is being swallowed up by all of the other new buildings and you can't really get a sense of its majesty. I think it's a shame.
I'm not sure that you've properly thought this through.

Reducing Battersea Power Station to a three sided shell to create a mere one quarter of Chelsea's new stadium (which was the plan) would have destroyed the building's integrity almost entirely.

It would no longer have been a stand alone building. It would have had three modern stands attached to it. There would no longer be any true sense of its former, outer dimensions. There would no longer be any sense at all of its former, majestic interior space. It would have been a mere, compromised bit part of a larger whole.

And there would still have been the kind of added development all around it that you complain about.

It would therefore, in fact, have been the worst of all possible outcomes.

Not to mention that Battersea Power Station is a London icon. In terms of spirit, it belongs to all of us. And football being as tribal as it is, it would have been lost to the vast majority of us had Chelsea claimed it for themselves.
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Old August 5th, 2015, 01:30 AM   #15043
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Agreed, it's much better for the Power Station and for Chelsea that their vision of a stadium there wasn't realised.
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Old August 5th, 2015, 01:30 AM   #15044
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Crossrail Place | Canary Wharf E14

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=871486

Official website: http://canarywharf.com/arts-events/e...ossrail-place/



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  • Address: Canary Wharf Station, Upper Bank Street, London E14
  • London borough: Tower Hamlets
  • Line: Crossrail
  • Architect: Foster + Partners
  • Cost: £500 million ($780m)



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Old August 5th, 2015, 01:32 AM   #15046
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Not to mention that Battersea Power Station is a London icon. In terms of spirit, it belongs to all of us. And football being as tribal as it is, it would have been lost to the vast majority of us had Chelsea claimed it for themselves.
Surely if a buildings an icon it should be marvelled and admired? - not inundated with other structures which detract it's beauty and obscure it from view?
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Old August 5th, 2015, 01:35 AM   #15047
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Horizons | Blackwall E14

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1680827

Official website: http://www.telfordhomes.plc.uk/horizons/



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  • Address: Horizons, Yabsley Street, London E14
  • London borough: Tower Hamlets
  • Developer: Telford Homes
  • Architect: RMA Architects
  • Floors: 26
  • Homes: 190



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Dollar Bay | Isle of Dogs E14

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=934424

Official website: http://www.dollarbay.co.uk/



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  • Address: 1-18 Dollar Bay Court, London, E14
  • London borough: Tower Hamlets
  • Developer: Citystyle Homes and Mount Anvil
  • Architect: Ian Simpson Architects
  • Height: 109m
  • Floors: 32



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The Peninsula Tower | Greenwich Peninsula SE10

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=632984

Official website: http://www.thepeninsulatower.com/



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  • Address: The Peninsula Tower, Tunnel Avenue, London SE10
  • London borough: Greenwich
  • Developer: Grove Developments
  • Architect: RTKL Associates
  • Floors: 24
  • Homes: 100



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Old August 5th, 2015, 02:14 AM   #15050
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That render of Dollar Bay looks stunning. I fear its relative hight compared to other highrises nearby and it's relative detachedness from the general E14 cluster will see it go un noticed by non skyscraper addicts.
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Old August 5th, 2015, 02:22 AM   #15051
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Surely if a buildings an icon it should be marvelled and admired? - not inundated with other structures which detract it's beauty and obscure it from view?
It would be lovely if we lived in an ideal world in which developers restored much loved but derelict buildings at vast expense without expecting anything by way of a return.

But we don't.

We live in a world where much loved but derelict buildings requiring hundreds of millions of pounds worth of urgent restoration and repairs will be lost forever unless developers can see a profit in it for themselves. And that means maximising the potential of the overall site.

And within such parameters, the solution that we will now get is far more acceptable than the Chelsea FC solution.

I'm assuming, of course, that you don't wish to see Battersea Power Station demolished? Because that is what would inevitably have had to happen had its condition not been very soon addressed.
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Old August 5th, 2015, 02:31 AM   #15052
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We will get some nice buildings from Foster and Gehry, anyway. Win-win.
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Old August 5th, 2015, 02:32 AM   #15053
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24 Savile Row | Mayfair W1

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Official website: http://www.24savilerow.com/



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  • Address: 24 Savile Row, London W1
  • London borough: Westminster
  • Developer: Resolution Properties
  • Architect: EPR Architects
  • Floors: 6
  • Floorspace: 2,906m²

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Old August 5th, 2015, 03:26 AM   #15054
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Surely if a buildings an icon it should be marvelled and admired? - not inundated with other structures which detract it's beauty and obscure it from view?
Perhaps you're not familiar with the eternal saga that preceded this development? Just be bloody glad that BPS is being preserved at all.
Incidentally, the current scheme is all right.
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Old August 5th, 2015, 12:31 PM   #15055
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And the view's of BPS through the apartment blocks will be reminescent of the old view of St Pauls - spying glimpses of the facade through alley ways - the tops of the chimneys looming over head.
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Old August 5th, 2015, 01:50 PM   #15056
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I'm not sure that you've properly thought this through.

Reducing Battersea Power Station to a three sided shell to create a mere one quarter of Chelsea's new stadium (which was the plan) would have destroyed the building's integrity almost entirely.

It would no longer have been a stand alone building. It would have had three modern stands attached to it. There would no longer be any true sense of its former, outer dimensions. There would no longer be any sense at all of its former, majestic interior space. It would have been a mere, compromised bit part of a larger whole.

And there would still have been the kind of added development all around it that you complain about.

It would therefore, in fact, have been the worst of all possible outcomes.

Not to mention that Battersea Power Station is a London icon. In terms of spirit, it belongs to all of us. And football being as tribal as it is, it would have been lost to the vast majority of us had Chelsea claimed it for themselves.
Slice of humble pie for me it seems :P. I wasn't aware that the proposed developments around the stadium would have been as significantly large or that the stadium design didn't incorporate more of the original structure, my apologies.

I certainly agree that football is tribal but I am not sure it would have been lost to the vast majority, if anything a larger proportion of people would have still had some connection with it. I still think it would have been more beneficial to be turned into a truly iconic stadium over some apartments which could have went in any other area in London that requires redevelopment.

Either way it is what it is and you certainly opened my eyes regarding the previous proposals.
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Old August 5th, 2015, 02:41 PM   #15057
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Slice of humble pie for me it seems :P. I wasn't aware that the proposed developments around the stadium would have been as significantly large or that the stadium design didn't incorporate more of the original structure, my apologies.

I certainly agree that football is tribal but I am not sure it would have been lost to the vast majority, if anything a larger proportion of people would have still had some connection with it. I still think it would have been more beneficial to be turned into a truly iconic stadium over some apartments which could have went in any other area in London that requires redevelopment.

Either way it is what it is and you certainly opened my eyes regarding the previous proposals.
You're humility is very gentlemanly. It's refreshing to see mate

I think the current proposal is much better than a football stadium. The Chelsea proposals would practically destroy Battersea. I think JimB's explanation was pretty hard to disagree with.
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Old August 5th, 2015, 06:36 PM   #15058
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Surely if a buildings an icon it should be marvelled and admired? - not inundated with other structures which detract it's beauty and obscure it from view?
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It would be lovely if we lived in an ideal world in which developers restored much loved but derelict buildings at vast expense without expecting anything by way of a return.

But we don't.

We live in a world where much loved but derelict buildings requiring hundreds of millions of pounds worth of urgent restoration and repairs will be lost forever unless developers can see a profit in it for themselves. And that means maximising the potential of the overall site.

And within such parameters, the solution that we will now get is far more acceptable than the Chelsea FC solution.

I'm assuming, of course, that you don't wish to see Battersea Power Station demolished? Because that is what would inevitably have had to happen had its condition not been very soon addressed.
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I second JimB's post, and furthermore, Battersea Power Station has been admired from a distance for decades. However you couldn't get close. Aside from occasional events, the whole site was fenced and padlocked off. Meanwhile proposed schemes came and went, but none got off the ground. These forlorn lifeless decades have seen the building deteriorate to a roofless decaying ruin. It's true that from some perspectives, it will now be blocked by the new neighbours that will spring up around it. However that is more than compensated because...

1) The building itself will be restored and put to new use.
2) We will finally be able to get up close to it every day (not just occasional events)
3) Its surroundings will improve from derelict wasteland to a lively attractive new urban quarter.
4) The view from the river will remain wide and open, and indeed be enhanced.

Who now wishes that Bankside Power Station had remained a ruin instead of being converted to the wonderful Tate Modern? Further, the whole area around Tate Modern has been rebuilt and regenerated.

I personally love the Nine Elms development. It has everything. It restores a magnificent landmark. There are apartment buildings by Foster, Rogers, and Gehry. There's the striking new US Embassy. Lots of new towers in a well-composed skyline, crowned by the elegant One Nine Elms. Two new Tube stops, a small garden running through middle of site, adjacent to the Thames and beautiful Battersea Park.

You can pick holes with individual buildings and aspects, but as a whole I think it's an absolute model of good quality urban development, and vastly preferable to the fenced-off derelict wasteland most of this site has been for decades.
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Old August 6th, 2015, 01:23 AM   #15059
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You're humility is very gentlemanly. It's refreshing to see mate
Thanks! I have no problem apologising or admitting a mistake if someone points one out. Plus I mean not to sidetrack the thread with my petty misunderstandings, just merely like to engage in the discussion
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Plus a range of independent eateries and a cooking school at a redoveloped NCGM. It's very popular and easy to bash developers , however without developers the funds needed to get Crossrail and the Northern line extension wouldn't happen or albeit with much greater government borrowing.
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