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Old September 14th, 2015, 04:36 PM   #15421
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Imperial West | White City W12

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1534686

Official website: http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/imperialwest


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  • London borough: Hammersmith & Fulham
  • Developer: Voreda and Imperial College London
  • Cost: £3 billion ($4.8bn)
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Old September 15th, 2015, 12:19 AM   #15422
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Manhattan Loft Gardens.

I can't believe how misleading this render is, the tower is fine but immediate environs is complete fiction.

What is difficult to see is that the area has quite a steep slope. In the render it is depicted as level. I presume the walk illustrated angles from the T-junction through what is now the Get Living London pavilion yet there is no sign of the DLR entrance or canopy from Stratford International.
Caveat emptor, so much for trading standards.
Maybe it's because this tower was designed before the Olympics and before even the East village was built and so the context had to be imagined from an illustrative masterplan...

The East village is actually pretty great as is the landscaping. I believe the Lifshutz Davidson Sandilands scheme diagonally opposite keeps this clear axis to the velodrome (the angle the render is taken from) and is looking to modify the DLR canopy, so the result should be relatively accurate.
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Old September 15th, 2015, 01:50 AM   #15423
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Damn London is booming!
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Old September 15th, 2015, 03:33 AM   #15424
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agreed! It's great to see that the UK has the fastest growth rate of ANY developed country!
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Old September 15th, 2015, 11:27 AM   #15425
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Not really. I imagine most of these new builds are sold off plan to investors who will either rent them out at stupid rates or let them sit empty as an investment.
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Old September 15th, 2015, 01:30 PM   #15426
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I guess it's plain obvious that none of these developments are actually expanding the housing stock, in spite of the current demand.

I mean, with population growth, one would think they'd build normal homes for normal people.
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Old September 15th, 2015, 04:59 PM   #15427
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I guess it's plain obvious that none of these developments are actually expanding the housing stock, in spite of the current demand.

I mean, with population growth, one would think they'd build normal homes for normal people.
Sounds like sour grapes. I'm just happy that at least one eu city is able to sustain a construction boom and conpete in the world.
Hopefully before the century is out, your own city will be able to build something relivent to a skyscraper forum, something worth reporting about on a projects and construction thread for instance

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Old September 15th, 2015, 05:45 PM   #15428
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Chelsea Waterfront | Chelsea SW10

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=313119

Official website: http://www.chelsea-waterfront.co.uk/



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  • Address: Chelsea Waterfront, Lots Road, London SW10
  • Developer: Hutchison Whampoa
  • Architect: Terry Farrell and Partners
  • Height: 122m | 85m
  • Floors: 37 | 25
  • Homes: 706



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Old September 15th, 2015, 05:51 PM   #15429
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Chelsea Creek | Fulham SW6

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=981984

Official website: http://www.chelseacreek.co.uk/



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  • Address: 9 Park Street, London SW6
  • Developer: Berkeley Group
  • Architect: Squire and Partners
  • Homes: 475
  • Site area: 7.5 acres



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Old September 15th, 2015, 05:56 PM   #15430
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Lillie Square | Fulham SW6

London forum thread:http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...323805&page=15

Official website: ="http://www.lilliesquare.com/


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  • Address: Lillie Road , SW6 , Fulham
  • London borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
  • Developer: Capital and Countries (Capco)
  • Architect: John McAslan & Partners and Farrells
  • Floors: 18 - 6
  • Residential Units: 1008 (200 will be replacement homes to those lost as a result of demolition of the nearby council homes)



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Old September 15th, 2015, 05:59 PM   #15431
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Earls Court Regeneration | Earls Court SW5

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1323805

Official website: http://www.myearlscourt.com/


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  • Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
  • Developer: Capital and Counties
  • Masterplan architect: Terry Farrell and Partners
  • Cost: £8 billion ($12.bn)
  • Homes: 7,500
  • Floorspace: 938,000m²



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Old September 15th, 2015, 06:01 PM   #15432
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375 Kensington High Street | Kensington W14

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...hp?p=126180788

Official website: http://www.berkeleygroup.co.uk/new-h...on-high-street


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  • Address: 375 Kensington High Street, London W14 8QH
  • Developer: Berkeley Group
  • Architect: TBC
  • Homes: 375
  • Site area: TBC



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Old September 16th, 2015, 01:35 AM   #15433
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I guess it's plain obvious that none of these developments are actually expanding the housing stock, in spite of the current demand.

I mean, with population growth, one would think they'd build normal homes for normal people.
I think the problem is that we are so far behind on the supply side, what we are building now is a mere drop in the ocean to what is actually needed. They could build normal homes (I'm assuming you mean semi detached houses?), but they would be even more expensive and house less people. While it's great to come here and see some of the skyscrapers that are being built, there is little to boast about concerning current London housing stock.

Also I've noticed some of the replies to your posts have been unnecessarily nasty. While I don't agree with a lot of your posts I still value them, and I kind of wish people would reply with a little more common courtesy. I hope you're not discouraged, keep on truckin'!
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Old September 16th, 2015, 09:44 AM   #15434
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I think the problem is that we are so far behind on the supply side, what we are building now is a mere drop in the ocean to what is actually needed. They could build normal homes (I'm assuming you mean semi detached houses?), but they would be even more expensive and house less people. While it's great to come here and see some of the skyscrapers that are being built, there is little to boast about concerning current London housing stock.

Also I've noticed some of the replies to your posts have been unnecessarily nasty. While I don't agree with a lot of your posts I still value them, and I kind of wish people would reply with a little more common courtesy. I hope you're not discouraged, keep on truckin'!
Unfortunately it is not just a supply problem, the market is broken and society is separating into the propertied and non-propertied. First time buyers are being excluded as they do not have the equity to get on the ladder (without the bank of mum & dads help). Meanwhile those with equity can take out more and more loans on the strength of that equity to buy more. The competition between those with equity is inflating prices whilst excluding more and more first timers. On the radio this morning it was announced prices increasing by a £1000 a week in some parts of London.
The price of these mortgages is passed on in higher rents thus preventing tenants saving enough for a deposits. As rents increase the pressure for rent controls will increase as tenants will be force to move elsewhere.
Meanwhile others are cashing in on the property inflation by buying properties and getting a 5% return just leaving them empty.
The 2008 banking crash was caused in large by the bundling up of sub-prime mortgages. Now we have sub-prime mortgages once removed as loans are being made on an unsustainable rental market.
It's only a matter of time until someone blinks and a lot of people will be left holding hot potatoes like Lehman Brothers.
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Old September 16th, 2015, 10:44 AM   #15435
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Sounds like sour grapes. I'm just happy that at least one eu city is able to sustain a construction boom and conpete in the world.
Hopefully before the century is out, your own city will be able to build something relivent to a skyscraper forum, something worth reporting about on a projects and construction thread for instance
Sour grapes??

Stravinsky doesn't even live in London, why would he have sour grapes? His opinion is incredibly valid.

If anyone potentially has sour grapes it's me. I was born in London, have lived here all my life. And I've steadily seen rents go from half reasonable to completely ridiculous. Never mind the crazy house prices that have completely priced people like myself out of the market.

And I'm also caught in a trap with no room to maneuver. I earn a decent living but am throwing my money at a landlord. If I were to save for a 40k deposit on top of renting it would take me five years. But when I reach five years it wouldn't be surprising if the 40k deposit I needed is now a 60k deposit.

So unless I get a windfall, win the lottery or rob a bank, I'm stuck with the status quo.
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Old September 16th, 2015, 11:36 AM   #15436
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^ Have you thought of buying together with a girlfriend/partner, shared ownership, or making use of Help to Buy?
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Old September 16th, 2015, 12:33 PM   #15437
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I think the problem is that we are so far behind on the supply side, what we are building now is a mere drop in the ocean to what is actually needed. They could build normal homes (I'm assuming you mean semi detached houses?), but they would be even more expensive and house less people. While it's great to come here and see some of the skyscrapers that are being built, there is little to boast about concerning current London housing stock.

Also I've noticed some of the replies to your posts have been unnecessarily nasty. While I don't agree with a lot of your posts I still value them, and I kind of wish people would reply with a little more common courtesy. I hope you're not discouraged, keep on truckin'!
With 'normal homes' I mean regular homes for the middle and lower classes, the kind of places we live in. Luxury skyscrapers are great as investments... but do they actually solve London's housing problems? Not so much.

And I don't even mean detached houses, as London could easily aim for higher densities in many locations... I'd say buildings with 4 to 10 floors could do.

There are many examples of cities with fewer issues than London that are actually building more: just have a look at the Berlin, Munich, Frankfurt, or Hamburg threads. Or even just try exploring those cities with Google Maps (no Street View in Germany). Do it please, all of those are quite rich cities, where new developments are primarily catering for the 'normal' resident population, and not millionaires, or foreign investors.

That said, there are large residential projects in London that I do like (Kidbrooke is my favourite, but I do like Earls Court as well). Yet I get the feeling that many people are not actually realizing that the construction boom London is experiencing is still not addressing the issue properly, in my opinion.

I don't know, maybe the government should temporarily asssume a leading role in this process, as it's quite obvious that private developers are not doing enough, or are not going in the right direction.
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Old September 16th, 2015, 12:40 PM   #15438
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Sour grapes??

Stravinsky doesn't even live in London, why would he have sour grapes? His opinion is incredibly valid.
I'm currently living in the East of England and much of what I said can be applied to this area as well, as it has just overtaken London in terms of price growth...
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Old September 16th, 2015, 01:14 PM   #15439
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^ Have you thought of buying together with a girlfriend/partner, shared ownership, or making use of Help to Buy?
Have you looked at the figures lately?

First-time buyers need to earn £77,000 a year to live in London.
From KPMG report in the Guardian.

Average wage in London around £25,000.
From ONS in the City AM.

Even doubling up your nowhere near £77,000 and that's assuming you've paid off your student loan and saved a deposit.
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Old September 16th, 2015, 01:40 PM   #15440
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Have you looked at the figures lately?

First-time buyers need to earn £77,000 a year to live in London.
From KPMG report in the Guardian. Even doubling up your nowhere near £77,000 and that's assuming you've paid off your student loan and saved a deposit.
You need £77,000 if you're buying by yourself and not taking advantage of schemes like shared ownership.
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Average wage in London around £25,000. From ONS in the City AM.
You're not reading that article properly. The ONS stats show £30,546 average for London. The Adzuna stats show an average of £41,000.

Frankly I think people whine too much. I have friends who've paid off their loans, saved, and bought properties despite modest earnings. They just showed a bit of discipline, saved for a few years, pooled resources with partners, etc. They also didn't expect their first property to be a swanky flat in a premium area. (Though one managed this through shared ownership.)

Owning property has never been a prospect for singles on low earnings, with the possible exception of Right to Buy for council flats. London's booming economy, global appeal, and surging population, also mean that it's not an easy place to afford. The only comparable world cities have comparable prices.
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