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Old December 13th, 2015, 11:23 AM   #16441
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Old December 13th, 2015, 12:15 PM   #16442
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I don't know any major city with two hub airports. May be Tokyo with Haneda coming into play more but still Narita is the main destination. It's actually impossible as this would defy term "hub" itself. May be it's possible to split traffic between major alliances like One World and Star Alliance but I doubt Star Alliance would agree to leave Heathrow for Gatwick, with One World is out of question for obvious reasons. There is no other options as to expand Heathrow. Second runway at Gatwick would be also nice but I doubt two runways one at Heathrow and one at Gatwick would be allowed anytime soon.

Heathrow is already missing on some major routes like to Manila, Jakarta, some indian and chinese cities (which competitors are happily offering) and these routes just won't come to Gatwick even with two or three runways there.
Heathrow has direct flights to Manila on Philippine Airlines.

Lots of new routes have been opened between London and cities in China, India, and Southeast Asia in the last few years, and London offers more flights/traffic to Asia than any other city in the western world.

It's true that airlines will prefer Heathrow if they can get the slots, but that doesn't mean they won't open to Gatwick at all. Vietnam Airlines started its flights from Hanoi to Saigon to Gatwick until slots became available at Heathrow.

New York, Paris, Tokyo, Shanghai, etc, all have multiple large airports.
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Old December 13th, 2015, 12:43 PM   #16443
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Heathrow has direct flights to Manila on Philippine Airlines.

Lots of new routes have been opened between London and cities in China, India, and Southeast Asia in the last few years, and London offers more flights/traffic to Asia than any other city in the western world.

It's true that airlines will prefer Heathrow if they can get the slots, but that doesn't mean they won't open to Gatwick at all. Vietnam Airlines started its flights from Hanoi to Saigon to Gatwick until slots became available at Heathrow.

New York, Paris, Tokyo, Shanghai, etc, all have multiple large airports.
Didn't know about Manila. But still Jakarta... Xian, Xiamen, Hangzhou and other...

Vietnam Airline open Gatwick just because not slots available at Heathrow, they will move as soon as possible, as you said yourself.

New York - JFK, rest are not Hubs, Paris - Charles de Gaulle, Orly is not a hub and never will be, Shanghai - Hongqiao (i've been there many times) is really just domestic airport which will never be a hub. As I said, Tokyo with Narita and Haneda is the only city comes to mind as many major airlines now fly to both airport, but it's due to huge size of the city and about 2 hours drive between two airports. All the cities you have mentioned have all major airlines flying to just one airport and that's all.

Any reputable airline would only fly to the airport which is served by major local airline, in our case it's Heathrow and it won't change in our lifetime.

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Old December 13th, 2015, 01:03 PM   #16444
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Surely all this debate on airports should be on its appropriate thread elsewhere?
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Old December 13th, 2015, 01:19 PM   #16445
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Surely all this debate on airports should be on its appropriate thread elsewhere?
Yes, the appropriate thread is here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1462748
It was previously mentioned by Steve.

It's a big debate among londoners though... (I don't know what relevance that has for it to be mentioned on this thread a dozen times over. As you had stated the debate should be moved to the link above.)
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Old December 13th, 2015, 01:56 PM   #16446
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"Like most nimbys people that oppose Heathrow expansion are incredibly selfish. "

Fair enough that this discussion should be on another thread, but I do have to take exception to this comment. I live 200 miles from Heathrow and my opposition to expansion is not out of selfishness. I oppose the insanity of expanding an airport that is clearly in the wrong place and responsible for a considerable amount of the pollution that is blighting London (killing nearly 10000 Londoners a year) and our wider environment. In 2015 we should insist on better, and better should mean smarter not simply bigger. If London can sensibly expand at a more sensibly located airport and at the same time minimise the environmental impact, that is good - not bad - for London and its reputation. London should not want to become Beijing or any other city that puts growth above people.

If this was truly necessary for London's economy, there is no way that Boris and co would be opposing it. There are better alternatives that will benefit all, including most Londoners.

If Heathrow expansion is given the green light, you can expect the largest environmental campaign and protests that the UK has seen for a long time. This simply will not be allowed to happen and the fight against it will drag on for years - and don't forget that whoever the new mayor is by May, he will be firmly opposed to and committed to fighting expansion at Heathrow through all possible means. There will be delay after delay, and this will then become another election issue until it is cancelled again. The political will to get this built simply does not exist. Much better to get over mega-airport masturbatory fantasies now and support Gatwick expansion, which might actually get built within a generation. At the same time, long-term discussions about a future hub airport in a sensible location that might eventually replace Heathrow can continue.
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Old December 13th, 2015, 03:00 PM   #16447
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Oy!. Slow people. The appropriate thread for this has been highlighted at least twice now. Please move the debate there and stop contaminating this thread.
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Old December 13th, 2015, 05:23 PM   #16448
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I'm going to repost an article here from the Undershaft thread that Charbonnier came across.

http://www.theguardian.com/artanddes...ow-interactive

It has a great video clip at the top featuring a 3D computerised model of the proposals in the city. It shows a full 360 degree rotation round the cluster as well, better than any model I've seen so far.

For me personally its allayed my fears concerning 22 Bishopsgate somewhat, it doesn't look as out of place as I thought it would. I really think the quality of the cladding could make or break this building.

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Sorry just noticed its been posted already! My point still stands though.

On a side note its a shame the original post was lost amongst the airport debate.
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Old December 14th, 2015, 01:34 AM   #16449
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Much better to get over mega-airport masturbatory fantasies now and support Gatwick expansion, which might actually get built within a generation.
I couldn't of said it better myself
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Old December 14th, 2015, 01:39 AM   #16450
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Didn't know about Manila. But still Jakarta... Xian, Xiamen, Hangzhou and other...

Vietnam Airline open Gatwick just because not slots available at Heathrow, they will move as soon as possible, as you said yourself.

New York - JFK, rest are not Hubs, Paris - Charles de Gaulle, Orly is not a hub and never will be, Shanghai - Hongqiao (i've been there many times) is really just domestic airport which will never be a hub. As I said, Tokyo with Narita and Haneda is the only city comes to mind as many major airlines now fly to both airport, but it's due to huge size of the city and about 2 hours drive between two airports. All the cities you have mentioned have all major airlines flying to just one airport and that's all.

Any reputable airline would only fly to the airport which is served by major local airline, in our case it's Heathrow and it won't change in our lifetime.
Since when is Orly not a hub? It's traffic is a bit less than Gatwick but it is also being expanded. Infact, it's a common route to fly NYC to Orly or Montréal to Orly.
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Old December 14th, 2015, 02:30 AM   #16451
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Old December 14th, 2015, 09:06 AM   #16452
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Since when is Orly not a hub? It's traffic is a bit less than Gatwick but it is also being expanded. Infact, it's a common route to fly NYC to Orly or Montréal to Orly.
I've replied here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...#post129300717
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Old December 14th, 2015, 02:52 PM   #16453
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is this thread ever going to be updated with some actual news? this airport expansion debate seems to be taking forever
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Old December 14th, 2015, 03:57 PM   #16454
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is this thread ever going to be updated with some actual news? this airport expansion debate seems to be taking forever
An decision to further delay the decision is due to made in summer 2016
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Old December 14th, 2015, 04:22 PM   #16455
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One Nine Elms | Nine Elms SW8

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1549489

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  • London borough: Wandsworth
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Old December 14th, 2015, 04:23 PM   #16456
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Old December 14th, 2015, 04:25 PM   #16458
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Victoria Square | North Acton , W3

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...hp?p=126245018

Official website: http://www.hubresidential.co.uk/proj...ictoria-square/


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Old December 14th, 2015, 05:17 PM   #16459
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  • Address: Oaklands House, Old Oak Common Ln, White City, London NW10 6DU
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