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Old March 4th, 2016, 12:33 PM   #17441
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http://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/n...ontentID=13628

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Old March 4th, 2016, 01:01 PM   #17442
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Yes, must be great to live in a country where the government can ban anything it likes, any time it wants with no arguments...unless you want to get a 5am knock on the door and disappear for 6mths, only to reappear on TV confessing the error of your ways.

Yes indeed..London could learn alot from China.
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Old March 4th, 2016, 01:24 PM   #17443
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Really? This is not new at all for communist country.

Back in 1950:
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During January 1950 an architects' convention, supervised by Khrushchev (then the party director of Moscow), declared low-cost, quick technologies the objective of Soviet architects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khrushchyovka

Many good projects were simplified for the sake of simplicity and cost reduction. This was actually the start of what today known as traditional commi blocks and this is what has ruined many Eeastern European cities and not only. Yeap, London should learn from it
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Old March 4th, 2016, 01:37 PM   #17444
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Typical fascist policy making.
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Old March 4th, 2016, 05:23 PM   #17445
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China is the one which could learn a lot with London, especially when it comes to freedom.

Really, such restrictive measures are a world away from the innovation and creativity that is always bubbling in London.
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Old March 4th, 2016, 09:22 PM   #17446
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One Blackfriars is getting really massive now btw.
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Old March 4th, 2016, 11:20 PM   #17447
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Sigh



Although Qatar has had it's fair share too

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Old March 5th, 2016, 09:28 AM   #17448
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Old March 5th, 2016, 02:11 PM   #17449
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Yes, must be great to live in a country where the government can ban anything it likes, any time it wants with no arguments...unless you want to get a 5am knock on the door and disappear for 6mths, only to reappear on TV confessing the error of your ways.

Yes indeed..London could learn alot from China.
Are you saying we don't live in a country where the government can ban anything it likes? Banning smoking in public places for example, f**king commies. I think you're all going over the top a bit. Just saying the London planning department should put a stop to the ridiculous towers the city is becoming an embarrassment for, the Walkie Talkie being a prime example. Why you took that to mean we should become a communist country like China or Russia I don't know. One thing that they have done I suggest we do too. Don't be pathetic.
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Old March 5th, 2016, 02:29 PM   #17450
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Are you saying we don't live in a country where the government can ban anything it likes? Banning smoking in public places for example, f**king commies. I think you're all going over the top a bit. Just saying the London planning department should put a stop to the ridiculous towers the city is becoming an embarrassment for, the Walkie Talkie being a prime example. Why you took that to mean we should become a communist country like China or Russia I don't know. One thing that they have done I suggest we do too. Don't be pathetic.
UK architecture is rather bland and not adventurous as it supposed to be (general mass not just London), even comparing with dutch one, so law supposed to be the opposite

Still not sure what you are trying to say, ban weird towers? Who will determine what is weird and what is not, Barbara Weiss?
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Old March 5th, 2016, 02:47 PM   #17451
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I actually like the Walkie Talkie, shrugs.
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Old March 5th, 2016, 05:56 PM   #17452
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UK architecture is rather bland and not adventurous as it supposed to be (general mass not just London), even comparing with dutch one, so law supposed to be the opposite

Still not sure what you are trying to say, ban weird towers? Who will determine what is weird and what is not, Barbara Weiss?
She'd do a good job of it though wouldn't she? I thought the majority of the general public disliked the Walkie Talkie anyway, not that they have a say.

Who is responsible for this then? The Gherkin and Leadenhall tower would have been enough for me in that cluster as far as being adventurous, they are fantastic towers. Why do we need an eccentric design for every building in this cluster? It's laughable. 1 Undershaft is much welcomed by me considering the earlier concept we saw for that plot.

I don't like that towers are being built in London's historic core anyway. The towers should have been built around it. Paris got it right.

And i'm not saying stop them entirely, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Good architects should be able to express their talents, but when we have a large cluster of these things, things like the Walkie Talkie going up or you're designing a building that looks like a pair of trousers, that's where we should draw a line.
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Old March 5th, 2016, 06:04 PM   #17453
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The gherkin is the only weird shaped building in the city cluster, walkie talkie is a box with slightly bigger top, I fail to see any other weird shaped towers in there
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Old March 5th, 2016, 06:13 PM   #17454
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It's amazing how often people who cite China's "weird" architecture use that unfinished "p.enis building" as an example. It only looked that way because of the scaffolding on top.

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Old March 5th, 2016, 06:17 PM   #17455
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If you look just at the city cluster, the towers under construction are
100 bishopsgate 173m uc (quality, but a box)
52 lime street 192m uc (quality angled box)
Heron plaza 135m uc (quality box)
1 angel court 101m uc (average box)
22 bishopsgate 278m demo/prep (quality but ugly box)
Several other 80-100m towers uc/prep (all good quality boxes)
Lots of Aldgate towers uc (boxes)
The other approved towers are not weird shaped either.
There are some surrounding towers like the boomerang but they haven't merged with the city cluster yet.

I think London has done the better thing by having towers in the centre of the city as well as elsewhere, it has got the best quality towers in Europe, compare that with the cheap, poor quality towers of la defense in Paris, and it's clear which path was better.

Londons other CBD Canary wharf, is outside the centre of London, like la defense, but also has better quality towers, so I guess London is lucky
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Old March 5th, 2016, 06:50 PM   #17456
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This city will never be as great as NYC. It needs more skyscrapers.
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Old March 5th, 2016, 07:24 PM   #17457
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This city is better because it offers more than just skyscrapers, it offers something that every city has on a large enough scale to be appreciated, without these areas being too large to dominate its form. London for me is an amalgam of all that makes every other city great, in one place. You dont like the quirky designs of the City, look at Canary Wharf instead. You dont like the modern buildings mixed with historical ones, look at Westminster and Chelsea instead. You dont like regency terraces, look at the gentrified industrial areas instead. Criticisms like the above are ones born of a lack of exploring London and knowing what it has to offer beyond the superficial (this doesnt mean London is perfect by any means, but no city is).

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Old March 5th, 2016, 08:29 PM   #17458
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This city will never be as great as NYC. It needs more skyscrapers.
The quality of a city is based on how big its buildings are then, regardless of how beautiful they are and something that really doesn't affect most people in a city?
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Old March 5th, 2016, 11:29 PM   #17459
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Let's ignore Strykr's inflammatory post.
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Old March 6th, 2016, 12:21 AM   #17460
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This city will never be as great as NYC. It needs more skyscrapers.
NYC will never be as great as Hong Kong. It needs more skyscrapers
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