Calgary Developments - Page 3

whitefordj · February 26th, 2006, 07:33 AM

wow The Arriva podium looks fantastic. I think it will realy complement the older structures in the area. I was born in the General hospital and spent a good part of my child yrs in bridgeland, so its nice to see the devalopment there as well. good work boris.

JBinCalgary · February 28th, 2006, 05:59 AM

city centre

***Rhino*** · February 28th, 2006, 06:05 PM

very nice , still know word out on the big one yet though , wonder why its taking so long ...

furrycanuck · February 28th, 2006, 08:10 PM

Rhino, that's "lose," not "loose," and it would apply to everyone, not just Muslims. I am married to a Muslim and don't like to see this directed at him. People stop evolving when they make group-based claims.

JBinCalgary · February 28th, 2006, 09:54 PM

i hear that!

unibrain · March 1st, 2006, 03:00 AM

I work at the city of Calgary in the Development department. So far, no conceptual drawings have been submitted, but an email was sent from the higher powers above explaining a little bit about the project (how our department will co-ordinate with the project). Usually, there will be some sort of preliminary meeting that is held (along with conceptual drawings) between the principle planner and any members of the CPAG team. It looks like thus far, an experienced Lead Planner has been assigned to co-ordinate with the Foster group. Usually, on a project such as this one, many planners can get involved and work as a team, but I think they are only assigning the one as to get all his focus on the project.

This is exciting for all of us in the department, as this will probably be the most expensive building permit to come in in a long time... the conceptual drawings will probably be coming in soon. They are probably still trying to secure any land that they can possibly aquire for the final design, and probably are working on what to do with the heritage buildings.

Personally, I feel the City would allow them to take down those sites, as they do not have historical value, but that would also mean critisism from the public. At the same time, keeping the fasades to the buildings is an option like what they did with the Telus Convention Centre on 8th avenue. I truly feel the development will be alot nicer without the hertiage buildings in my opionion... And just from my gut instincts, I dont believe they will end up taking the police building in the deal, although I would love to have them do so to make the most of the development.

On a side note, the zoo came in not too long ago, and Im pretty impressed with that. It'll look and feel more complete like a zoo... eventually, the dinosaur park will be phased out from the looks of things.

And it looks like the towers at the Calgary Tower and the Penny Lane Towers are good to go... assuming funding is there.. This is the second time Penny Lane has come in due to a change in the development... apparently, there's insufficient parking for the project, and the City may work with them to expand the Centennial Parkade across the street by two floors.

josh white · March 1st, 2006, 04:03 AM

Welcome to the forum and thanks for your comments. I hope oyu can keep us up to date with some of the big donwtown projects. It would be a shame on this city if it let EnCana demolish a lot of these buildings. I do think buildings such as the Northwest Travellers Building, the Old Firehall, The York do have historical value. Why tear them down when there seems to be an abundance of vacant space to build on across the two sites. At the very, very least, incorporate them into the development. I was under the impression they were using the York for density transfers to the main site. I have a hunch they will preserve most of the buildings in question. Foster and Sturgess are just way too good of architects to be so insensitive to the context of this development. I guess only time will tell.

You shoud consider going and joining forum.skyscraperpage.com It's Western Canada and Calgary sections are extremely active. Someone already quoted your post here over there.

Cheers

unibrain · March 1st, 2006, 05:30 AM

Thanks. I'll be sure to check out the other page. Do to the FOIP act, we cannot comment much in terms inquiries and such. However, the moment it comes in on a Development Permit (and they all do) information can be released, as it is now public knowledge.

Just looking at the type of designs Foster comes out with, it's no doubt the building will have some kind of funky design to it. If you look at say, the Gerhkin and say, the building they built for the hong kong bank, the buildings almost have a subreal feel to them... being that it blends with nature, or somewhat industrial. I have a feeling that it wont be reflective of any 'cowboy' themes or anything like that... afterall, gibbs gage was inspired by the mountains from what I hear for the penny lane design.

I think if they do establish a set theme, the york, fire hall, travellers, legion, and regis buildings would somewhat stick out like a sore thumb should they have a design that has a lot of glass/steel work. The Telus Convention Centre pulled it off, as all the fasades saved were all interconnected, and on the same street... allowing them to create the theme on one side, and a completely new look on the other.. I just dont see them keeping all those buildings, and somehow implementing it into a steel/glass design... being that all those buildings are facing different directions, and are located all over the place...

It'll be quite some time before a new Police HQ would be established should Encana decide that they would like to aquire the Davidson building as well. Unless the building (or portion of the building) is slated to be built after the main tower goes up.

At this point, the City and the lone planner (and he's a pretty respected city planner that deals with lots of large projects) is engaging on talks with the Foster Group. It was suggested to us by email that we have a look at the Foster page, and appreciate the possibility of a project like this come to fruitation in Calgary.

Im sure the City wants this project (as much as Bronco would want to add this to his repetoire..) So there might be some leeway in terms of building design the City might relax. Just looking at some of the projects Foster has come up with in the past, there might be some things (design wise) that just wont allow in our bylaw, let alone Alberta Building code.. albeit the code they cannot alter, the bylaw could be relaxed - with some restrictions of course.

But at the end of the day, this project looks very promising (and attractive), and building lovers alike hope not to be dissapointed.

Downtown is always problematic with density in most cases anyway.. I dont see them purchasing two lots as a way to transfer density, as one lot is clearly larger than the other anyway (and they're gonna build on both lots regardless.. unless if one lot is gonna be a park).. If they dont build a tower there, someone else will. It's more or less the parking situation the city will look at down the road. So depending on the size of the building, they will need to come up with a creative solution for parking.

The Penny Lane towers will mean an end to Penny Lane Mall... from the plans, it looks like there will only be a couple service tenants (from the looks of things, there will be about 6 or 7 kiosks for food in the food court, one larger restaurant, and two or three retail shops (ie. convenience store) in the first two floors... there is an open atrium with what looks to be a waterfall... the floorplates are ALOT smaller than what I expected when I first saw the concept drawings... I cant remember, but I do believe it is one podium with the two towers on it (or something to that liking).

There is also a concern with the Science Centre project as well... as there seems to be some concern with parking shared with the zoo, and people using the parking as a park and ride. There is talks that they may impliment a charge and park there to ease off the parking, and what a hotel near that site may do for the area. St.George's drive may need to be upgraded.

I think because of the type of climate we have, using full glass and not having anyone do a LEED project would be somewhat silly.. seeing that it's supposed to be state of the art, and leading the way.

Just wait till you guys see the proposed development for Eau Claire Market... it looks like a large indoor stadium with towers to the side... somewhat silly... but hey, it's only conceptual anyway.

Boris550 · March 1st, 2006, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by unibrain

Just wait till you guys see the proposed development for Eau Claire Market... it looks like a large indoor stadium with towers to the side... somewhat silly... but hey, it's only conceptual anyway.

Some of us from the Calgary Urban Initiative have seen the plans, at least as of a few months ago. We're looking forward to seeing more.

BTW, speaking of park n' rides, there's something that really bugs me. Did nobody ever think of building parkades, overground or underground, at places like Anderson? Cause right now there are a huge amount of ugly surface lots that could be used for TOD's if they just built some parkades to make up for the loss.

Surrealplaces · March 1st, 2006, 06:31 AM

If there is anything online I'd certainly be interested in seeing it

unibrain · March 1st, 2006, 06:41 AM

nothing published yet, but the eau claire isnt that hype.. if anything, I think it looks a little too heavy for the area... and doesnt fit in very well...

one of the things that kinda would have been cool was if the bank of montreal went ahead and built the other twin.

when the tower was first built, they left room on the easterly side to build another tower that was to mirror the current tower... they either ran out of money, or felt it wasnt worth it to build it. at the present moment, that space is occupied by a small park and the plus 15 tunnel. down 7th ave, there's also another open space that looks funny downtown... (I think it's next to the John Haddon building? (or the old land titles?) it's just a patch of grass in the middle of nowhere it seems, and there's a picnic table on it.. you'd think they'd want to pave it and have some parking on it at least.

One thing everyone seems to have on the radar is the old greyhound bus barns down in eau claire... everyone wants it and wants to have it rezoned for a multicondo/home office.. but it looks to me that in order for the eau claire development to be built, they will aquire that land too.

I saw concepts during the mayor awards of the downtown area in that area.. and there seems to be some future towers that relate to the livingston towers.. at the time (early last year) the pictures depicted four identical towers there with a connected area that had colored glass like the Aberdeen Mall in Richmond, BC... and also a public park space..

It might just be conceptual planning ahead by the artist.. but that would definately be a nice development should it happen..

The Livingston towers look nice, but the colors look so bland... it's too dark.. looks like the building down the street from it.

Boris550 · March 1st, 2006, 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unibrain

when the tower was first built, they left room on the easterly side to build another tower that was to mirror the current tower... they either ran out of money, or felt it wasnt worth it to build it. at the present moment, that space is occupied by a small park and the plus 15 tunnel.

Apparently the foundations for the large tower are still there, and they might put a redesigned tower up on it.

Quote:

One thing everyone seems to have on the radar is the old greyhound bus barns down in eau claire... everyone wants it and wants to have it rezoned for a multicondo/home office.. but it looks to me that in order for the eau claire development to be built, they will aquire that land too.

I saw concepts during the mayor awards of the downtown area in that area.. and there seems to be some future towers that relate to the livingston towers.. at the time (early last year) the pictures depicted four identical towers there with a connected area that had colored glass like the Aberdeen Mall in Richmond, BC... and also a public park space..

Have heard about this one from wildwildwest (also works in the municipal building). Haven't seen anything myself but it always sounds interesting.

***Rhino*** · March 1st, 2006, 02:59 PM

my comments are towords thoughs in the muslim communitee that spread Fear and hate ( a portion on them ) not all of them . those who follow the teaching of Qaron and its true meaning are wonderfull. Like any faction of people , this particular branch of believers has swayed from the qarons true teching , ask you husband he will tell you . these people need to know what they are doing is WRONG , just like the Germans did in the mid 40's . not to the scale of course . but its still wrong.

ssiguy2 · March 2nd, 2006, 04:34 AM

I'm lost........
What is CityCentre? Also I thought PennyLane was dead.

Therefore a couple of questions about "lanes" in downtown Calgary.
First, what is PennyLane? Is it a little shopping street or just a glorified alleyway?
Second, what is BarcleyLane? Is there shopping along the street like StephenAve?

Actually, while I'm at it, is there any intersting areas to shop on CentreSt on the other side of the bridge?

Boris550 · March 2nd, 2006, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssiguy2

I'm lost........
What is CityCentre? Also I thought PennyLane was dead.

Therefore a couple of questions about "lanes" in downtown Calgary.
First, what is PennyLane? Is it a little shopping street or just a glorified alleyway?
Second, what is BarcleyLane? Is there shopping along the street like StephenAve?

Actually, while I'm at it, is there any intersting areas to shop on CentreSt on the other side of the bridge?

City Centre is a revived proposal with that awesome new design. It used to look like a few stubby Chrysler towers.

Penny Lane is a small building between 8th Ave and 9th Ave to the west of Banker's Hall. The Penny Lane proposal is not dead and went through a recent re-approval for greater height. The new proposal also is rumored to have another color added to the glass, but nobody has a copy of the rendering.

Penny Lane as it is now:

Barclay Mall is a North-South street (4th I believe) in downtown which has some interesting stone carvings on it and some nice buildings (including Centrium), but otherwise is like most other downtown streets but with wide sidewalks. It terminates in Eau Claire.

I'm not sure of what's on the other side of the Bridge. I think there are some restaurants over there but...

EDIT: I should also mention that City Centre (office) is supposedly at 215m, making it 1m taller than PetroCan, our current tallest.

ssiguy2 · March 2nd, 2006, 04:57 AM

Thanks for the info.
PennyLane looks kind of nice, I hope they don't ruin the little street for some ugly glass box.

Another question............How do I register for skyscraperpage.com ?????? The Cal/Edm sections seem to be more interesting and informative but for some unknown reason I can't seem to be able to register and its starting to piss me off.
I have 3 different email addresses and have tried registering with all three and still no luck.
I would appreciate some help, thanks Shane

Boris550 · March 2nd, 2006, 05:01 AM

We are waiting to see how the new design treats the street. Currently it is pretty nice there, but Penny Lane can get very empty.

Everyone seems to have difficulty registering there. I would try sending a message to M II A II R II K, who is the admin over there and also a user here.

unibrain · March 2nd, 2006, 05:59 AM

Interesting... That's the first time I've seen/heard of the City Centre project.. any idea where it's supposed to go? It looks like a mixed use project... one tower for residential, and one tower office?

I was just reading that other skyscraper site, and they were talking about the London condos... I've seen the colored renderings and plans for it... but I just cant see myself purchasing one of those.. I mean, no matter what side of the building(s) I'd buy, I wouldnt have a "great" view... I mean, that site is surrounded by the rail yards, mac trail, and some other odd industrial buildings... it wouldnt be my first choice of a condo... but I guess if you're in it for the quick ctrain access, it wouldnt be bad.

But apparently there's some problems with the intersection there... Looks like there's going to be some major upgrades, and whether it's tax payer's dollars, or a collaboration between the city and the developer, looks like a new interchange will need to be built there to support the development. They're discussing it right now.

Boris550 · March 2nd, 2006, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unibrain

Interesting... That's the first time I've seen/heard of the City Centre project.. any idea where it's supposed to go? It looks like a mixed use project... one tower for residential, and one tower office?

I was just reading that other skyscraper site, and they were talking about the London condos... I've seen the colored renderings and plans for it... but I just cant see myself purchasing one of those.. I mean, no matter what side of the building(s) I'd buy, I wouldnt have a "great" view... I mean, that site is surrounded by the rail yards, mac trail, and some other odd industrial buildings... it wouldnt be my first choice of a condo... but I guess if you're in it for the quick ctrain access, it wouldnt be bad.

But apparently there's some problems with the intersection there... Looks like there's going to be some major upgrades, and whether it's tax payer's dollars, or a collaboration between the city and the developer, looks like a new interchange will need to be built there to support the development. They're discussing it right now.

As far as City Centre goes... between 2nd and 3rd Ave, on the lot where The Old Spaghetti factory now sits. (across from Livingston Place)

And yeah, London is now U/C. It's main asset is of course the C-train station.

EDIT: Isn't there some sort of planned interchange for Heritage/Macleod?

unibrain · March 2nd, 2006, 06:30 AM

There's some sort of change for that intersection, but "someone" wants "someone" to break out the cheque book to pay for it... especially if it's going to cost quite a bit... like when new subdivisions are planned, the City usually gets the developer to cough up some money to help with the roads/services etc etc... but in this situation, there's going to be a change that accomodates just the development itself... I mean, it'll have change for the rest of the area too.. but there's something more specific that's going into the development (probably some kind of on ramp or something??).

March 1st, 2006, 05:30 AM	#48
unibrain FromTheCity Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Calgary Posts: 22 Likes (Received): 0	Thanks. I'll be sure to check out the other page. Do to the FOIP act, we cannot comment much in terms inquiries and such. However, the moment it comes in on a Development Permit (and they all do) information can be released, as it is now public knowledge. Just looking at the type of designs Foster comes out with, it's no doubt the building will have some kind of funky design to it. If you look at say, the Gerhkin and say, the building they built for the hong kong bank, the buildings almost have a subreal feel to them... being that it blends with nature, or somewhat industrial. I have a feeling that it wont be reflective of any 'cowboy' themes or anything like that... afterall, gibbs gage was inspired by the mountains from what I hear for the penny lane design. I think if they do establish a set theme, the york, fire hall, travellers, legion, and regis buildings would somewhat stick out like a sore thumb should they have a design that has a lot of glass/steel work. The Telus Convention Centre pulled it off, as all the fasades saved were all interconnected, and on the same street... allowing them to create the theme on one side, and a completely new look on the other.. I just dont see them keeping all those buildings, and somehow implementing it into a steel/glass design... being that all those buildings are facing different directions, and are located all over the place... It'll be quite some time before a new Police HQ would be established should Encana decide that they would like to aquire the Davidson building as well. Unless the building (or portion of the building) is slated to be built after the main tower goes up. At this point, the City and the lone planner (and he's a pretty respected city planner that deals with lots of large projects) is engaging on talks with the Foster Group. It was suggested to us by email that we have a look at the Foster page, and appreciate the possibility of a project like this come to fruitation in Calgary. Im sure the City wants this project (as much as Bronco would want to add this to his repetoire..) So there might be some leeway in terms of building design the City might relax. Just looking at some of the projects Foster has come up with in the past, there might be some things (design wise) that just wont allow in our bylaw, let alone Alberta Building code.. albeit the code they cannot alter, the bylaw could be relaxed - with some restrictions of course. But at the end of the day, this project looks very promising (and attractive), and building lovers alike hope not to be dissapointed. Downtown is always problematic with density in most cases anyway.. I dont see them purchasing two lots as a way to transfer density, as one lot is clearly larger than the other anyway (and they're gonna build on both lots regardless.. unless if one lot is gonna be a park).. If they dont build a tower there, someone else will. It's more or less the parking situation the city will look at down the road. So depending on the size of the building, they will need to come up with a creative solution for parking. The Penny Lane towers will mean an end to Penny Lane Mall... from the plans, it looks like there will only be a couple service tenants (from the looks of things, there will be about 6 or 7 kiosks for food in the food court, one larger restaurant, and two or three retail shops (ie. convenience store) in the first two floors... there is an open atrium with what looks to be a waterfall... the floorplates are ALOT smaller than what I expected when I first saw the concept drawings... I cant remember, but I do believe it is one podium with the two towers on it (or something to that liking). There is also a concern with the Science Centre project as well... as there seems to be some concern with parking shared with the zoo, and people using the parking as a park and ride. There is talks that they may impliment a charge and park there to ease off the parking, and what a hotel near that site may do for the area. St.George's drive may need to be upgraded. I think because of the type of climate we have, using full glass and not having anyone do a LEED project would be somewhat silly.. seeing that it's supposed to be state of the art, and leading the way. Just wait till you guys see the proposed development for Eau Claire Market... it looks like a large indoor stadium with towers to the side... somewhat silly... but hey, it's only conceptual anyway. Last edited by unibrain; March 1st, 2006 at 05:55 AM.

March 1st, 2006, 06:31 AM	#50
Surrealplaces Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Calgary Posts: 17 Likes (Received): 0	Eau Claire market proposed development If there is anything online I'd certainly be interested in seeing it

March 1st, 2006, 06:41 AM	#51
unibrain FromTheCity Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Calgary Posts: 22 Likes (Received): 0	nothing published yet, but the eau claire isnt that hype.. if anything, I think it looks a little too heavy for the area... and doesnt fit in very well... one of the things that kinda would have been cool was if the bank of montreal went ahead and built the other twin. when the tower was first built, they left room on the easterly side to build another tower that was to mirror the current tower... they either ran out of money, or felt it wasnt worth it to build it. at the present moment, that space is occupied by a small park and the plus 15 tunnel. down 7th ave, there's also another open space that looks funny downtown... (I think it's next to the John Haddon building? (or the old land titles?) it's just a patch of grass in the middle of nowhere it seems, and there's a picnic table on it.. you'd think they'd want to pave it and have some parking on it at least. One thing everyone seems to have on the radar is the old greyhound bus barns down in eau claire... everyone wants it and wants to have it rezoned for a multicondo/home office.. but it looks to me that in order for the eau claire development to be built, they will aquire that land too. I saw concepts during the mayor awards of the downtown area in that area.. and there seems to be some future towers that relate to the livingston towers.. at the time (early last year) the pictures depicted four identical towers there with a connected area that had colored glass like the Aberdeen Mall in Richmond, BC... and also a public park space.. It might just be conceptual planning ahead by the artist.. but that would definately be a nice development should it happen.. The Livingston towers look nice, but the colors look so bland... it's too dark.. looks like the building down the street from it. Last edited by unibrain; March 1st, 2006 at 06:47 AM.

March 2nd, 2006, 05:01 AM	#57
Boris550 NIMBY Eater Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Calgary Posts: 879 Likes (Received): 0	We are waiting to see how the new design treats the street. Currently it is pretty nice there, but Penny Lane can get very empty. Everyone seems to have difficulty registering there. I would try sending a message to M II A II R II K, who is the admin over there and also a user here. __________________ Member of the Calgary Urban Initiative www.calgaryurban.com Green Voter http://www.greenparty.ca/

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February 26th, 2006, 07:33 AM	#41
whitefordj Toon Town bandit Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: North Battlelford Saskatchewan Posts: 884 Likes (Received): 1	wow The Arriva podium looks fantastic. I think it will realy complement the older structures in the area. I was born in the General hospital and spent a good part of my child yrs in bridgeland, so its nice to see the devalopment there as well. good work boris.

February 28th, 2006, 05:59 AM	#42
JBinCalgary Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 94 Likes (Received): 0	city centre

February 28th, 2006, 06:05 PM	#43
*Rhino* The Tropics of Canada Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Surrey , what the world thinks is Vancouver Posts: 4,416 Likes (Received): 19	very nice , still know word out on the big one yet though , wonder why its taking so long ...

February 28th, 2006, 08:10 PM	#44
furrycanuck Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: CALGARY Posts: 183 Likes (Received): 1	Rhino, that's "lose," not "loose," and it would apply to everyone, not just Muslims. I am married to a Muslim and don't like to see this directed at him. People stop evolving when they make group-based claims.

February 28th, 2006, 09:54 PM	#45
JBinCalgary Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 94 Likes (Received): 0	i hear that!

March 1st, 2006, 03:00 AM	#46
unibrain FromTheCity Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Calgary Posts: 22 Likes (Received): 0	I work at the city of Calgary in the Development department. So far, no conceptual drawings have been submitted, but an email was sent from the higher powers above explaining a little bit about the project (how our department will co-ordinate with the project). Usually, there will be some sort of preliminary meeting that is held (along with conceptual drawings) between the principle planner and any members of the CPAG team. It looks like thus far, an experienced Lead Planner has been assigned to co-ordinate with the Foster group. Usually, on a project such as this one, many planners can get involved and work as a team, but I think they are only assigning the one as to get all his focus on the project. This is exciting for all of us in the department, as this will probably be the most expensive building permit to come in in a long time... the conceptual drawings will probably be coming in soon. They are probably still trying to secure any land that they can possibly aquire for the final design, and probably are working on what to do with the heritage buildings. Personally, I feel the City would allow them to take down those sites, as they do not have historical value, but that would also mean critisism from the public. At the same time, keeping the fasades to the buildings is an option like what they did with the Telus Convention Centre on 8th avenue. I truly feel the development will be alot nicer without the hertiage buildings in my opionion... And just from my gut instincts, I dont believe they will end up taking the police building in the deal, although I would love to have them do so to make the most of the development. On a side note, the zoo came in not too long ago, and Im pretty impressed with that. It'll look and feel more complete like a zoo... eventually, the dinosaur park will be phased out from the looks of things. And it looks like the towers at the Calgary Tower and the Penny Lane Towers are good to go... assuming funding is there.. This is the second time Penny Lane has come in due to a change in the development... apparently, there's insufficient parking for the project, and the City may work with them to expand the Centennial Parkade across the street by two floors.

March 1st, 2006, 04:03 AM	#47
josh white Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 160 Likes (Received): 0	Welcome to the forum and thanks for your comments. I hope oyu can keep us up to date with some of the big donwtown projects. It would be a shame on this city if it let EnCana demolish a lot of these buildings. I do think buildings such as the Northwest Travellers Building, the Old Firehall, The York do have historical value. Why tear them down when there seems to be an abundance of vacant space to build on across the two sites. At the very, very least, incorporate them into the development. I was under the impression they were using the York for density transfers to the main site. I have a hunch they will preserve most of the buildings in question. Foster and Sturgess are just way too good of architects to be so insensitive to the context of this development. I guess only time will tell. You shoud consider going and joining forum.skyscraperpage.com It's Western Canada and Calgary sections are extremely active. Someone already quoted your post here over there. Cheers

March 1st, 2006, 02:59 PM	#53
*Rhino* The Tropics of Canada Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Surrey , what the world thinks is Vancouver Posts: 4,416 Likes (Received): 19	my comments are towords thoughs in the muslim communitee that spread Fear and hate ( a portion on them ) not all of them . those who follow the teaching of Qaron and its true meaning are wonderfull. Like any faction of people , this particular branch of believers has swayed from the qarons true teching , ask you husband he will tell you . these people need to know what they are doing is WRONG , just like the Germans did in the mid 40's . not to the scale of course . but its still wrong.

March 2nd, 2006, 04:34 AM	#54
ssiguy2 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: White Rock BC Posts: 4,973 Likes (Received): 36	I'm lost........ What is CityCentre? Also I thought PennyLane was dead. Therefore a couple of questions about "lanes" in downtown Calgary. First, what is PennyLane? Is it a little shopping street or just a glorified alleyway? Second, what is BarcleyLane? Is there shopping along the street like StephenAve? Actually, while I'm at it, is there any intersting areas to shop on CentreSt on the other side of the bridge?

March 2nd, 2006, 04:57 AM	#56
ssiguy2 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: White Rock BC Posts: 4,973 Likes (Received): 36	Thanks for the info. PennyLane looks kind of nice, I hope they don't ruin the little street for some ugly glass box. Another question............How do I register for skyscraperpage.com ?????? The Cal/Edm sections seem to be more interesting and informative but for some unknown reason I can't seem to be able to register and its starting to piss me off. I have 3 different email addresses and have tried registering with all three and still no luck. I would appreciate some help, thanks Shane

March 2nd, 2006, 05:59 AM	#58
unibrain FromTheCity Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Calgary Posts: 22 Likes (Received): 0	Interesting... That's the first time I've seen/heard of the City Centre project.. any idea where it's supposed to go? It looks like a mixed use project... one tower for residential, and one tower office? I was just reading that other skyscraper site, and they were talking about the London condos... I've seen the colored renderings and plans for it... but I just cant see myself purchasing one of those.. I mean, no matter what side of the building(s) I'd buy, I wouldnt have a "great" view... I mean, that site is surrounded by the rail yards, mac trail, and some other odd industrial buildings... it wouldnt be my first choice of a condo... but I guess if you're in it for the quick ctrain access, it wouldnt be bad. But apparently there's some problems with the intersection there... Looks like there's going to be some major upgrades, and whether it's tax payer's dollars, or a collaboration between the city and the developer, looks like a new interchange will need to be built there to support the development. They're discussing it right now.

March 2nd, 2006, 06:30 AM	#60
unibrain FromTheCity Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Calgary Posts: 22 Likes (Received): 0	There's some sort of change for that intersection, but "someone" wants "someone" to break out the cheque book to pay for it... especially if it's going to cost quite a bit... like when new subdivisions are planned, the City usually gets the developer to cough up some money to help with the roads/services etc etc... but in this situation, there's going to be a change that accomodates just the development itself... I mean, it'll have change for the rest of the area too.. but there's something more specific that's going into the development (probably some kind of on ramp or something??).