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Old March 29th, 2007, 04:11 AM   #81
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Old April 6th, 2007, 04:35 PM   #82
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but I hope that we will never have see a building ranked as Britain's or Europe's tallest just because of its spire.
Generali Tower will be ranked as highest in Western Europe despite it's roof height only being 251m.
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Old April 6th, 2007, 04:46 PM   #83
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Generali Tower will be ranked as highest in Western Europe despite it's roof height only being 251m.
In the Netherlands a skyscraper of 262 metres will rise in the upcoming years.
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Old April 6th, 2007, 06:15 PM   #84
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There will be towers wt even higher roof heights in London, but again Generali will be the official tallest because of it's cone which reaches to 318m.
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Old April 7th, 2007, 01:02 PM   #85
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There will be towers wt even higher roof heights in London, but again Generali will be the official tallest because of it's cone which reaches to 318m.
Well most of the top third of London Bridge Tower will be plant, so we can hardly complain! Generali's 'spire' is definitely part of the structure proper, its not as if its a spindly antenna whacked on to cheat like Petronas.
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Old April 7th, 2007, 07:29 PM   #86
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Well most of the top third of London Bridge Tower will be plant, so we can hardly complain! Generali's 'spire' is definitely part of the structure proper, its not as if its a spindly antenna whacked on to cheat like Petronas.
I wasn't actually talking about LBT though, I was talking about Bishopsgate.

I find t strange though how Willis 125m is counted as roof height, even though the top portion is Plant. Same for St Helens, T42 and Swiss Re. But LBT's isn't?
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Old April 8th, 2007, 01:22 PM   #87
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the plants are counted as roof height for the Shard, and Generali is 300m tall including the spire, structural height around 250m I think, not 318 anyway.
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Old April 8th, 2007, 01:32 PM   #88
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From what I can see from the renders of Generali, it has another little spire on top of it's cone spire!
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Old April 8th, 2007, 01:51 PM   #89
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And Heron Tower is 202m structural height, the 242m figure indicated in the thread title actually includes the spire.
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and Generali is 300m tall including the spire, structural height around 250m I think, not 318 anyway.
Sour grapes.
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We are getting a fatter greener version of the Heron tower in Dublin





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Old April 8th, 2007, 02:30 PM   #92
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the plants are counted as roof height for the Shard, and Generali is 300m tall including the spire, structural height around 250m I think, not 318 anyway.
It's 269m without the spire, and 318m with it.
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I read 251m and 300m respectively on the architect website and emporis.
In any cases I couldn't bother less. My point was that the spire should not be
included in the height of Heron Tower: it is 202m, not 242m.
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I read 251m and 300m respectively on the architect website and emporis.
In any cases I couldn't bother less. My point was that the spire should not be
included in the height of Heron Tower: it is 202m, not 242m.
I read 251m roof and 318m to the 'second' spire on SSP.
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Fair enough, I did not know thet were two spires.
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Sour grapes.
No one wants Generali in London Brunob, even if it was the tallest building in the world. I certainly hope if Generali build a tower in London it will be better, not just a broken box with a cone stuck on top.

Seriously it obviously isn't the worst dsign in the world, but it really isn't tht good either.
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It's a pretty well established fact by now that spires count. But whatever. Happy easter
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It's a pretty well established fact by now that spires count.
Imo this is somewhat misleading. Heron will appear as a 202m tower. Not 242m.
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Old April 8th, 2007, 03:13 PM   #99
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251m and 300m are heights from the slab side. I read 318m from the ground in mars issue of "confidentielle défense", the official paper of the district.
Now you can leave 5 floors out of your count if you want, I couldn't bother less either, but it will still be 318m above ground, and it will stil rise 318m above your head when you'll walk next to it on the street side.

Btw, the spires of Generali and Heron have nothing in common, considering generali's spire has a real use and is therefore part of the structure.
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It's a spire. A spire is a spire is a spire. Doesn't matter if it's got nothing in, wind turbies in, or dangling cages full of monkeys in. It's a spire, and it has the same treatment as any other spire in the world.

As Jef said, the Heron tower is a 202m (well, 203m) building that goes to 242m with it's spire. The Generali is a 251m building that goes to 318m with it's spire.

Simple as.
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