LOUISVILLE | Museum Plaza | 703ft | 61 fl | Cancelled

steblack · February 9th, 2006, 05:51 PM

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/...602090386/1008

Justin6882 · February 9th, 2006, 05:59 PM

Wow, thats a ballsy architect. A striking contrast to some of the buildings that have been proposed here in Raleigh.

But overall, I kinda like the design, even if it is a little lego-ish. There's definitely nothing like it that I've seen, congrats Lousiville!

Style™ · February 9th, 2006, 06:23 PM

omg. it was compared to the Eiffel Tower. thee Gherkin, and the Sydney Opera House.

its a nice design. i just cant see it being compared to those buildings.

61 Stories
703 feet tall
$380 million total cost
85 luxury condos, starting at $400,000
150 lofts, costing $275,000 or less
300 hotel rooms
300,000 square feet of office space
1.2 million square feet total space
1,100 underground parking spots
10,500 people a day projected to use Museum Plaza
561 full-time employees needed for construction
Construction starts in 2007
Construction completed in 2010

"This will be a 24/7 environment," he said. "Part of the goal of this project is to give the revitalization effort downtown and on West Main a big boost."

^ i'm not sure how that is going to be done since the retail and museum component of the project are located 22 floors above the street?

oresaw · February 9th, 2006, 06:38 PM

Wow, I like it. This will definitly thrust Louisville's visability up a notch. Congratulations, I think any city would be proud to have a proposal like this. We'll definitly have to keep an eye on this project as it could be one of the more exciting projects going up in the South.

verycoolnin · February 9th, 2006, 06:43 PM

Weird looking.

vid · February 9th, 2006, 06:43 PM

Amazing. It's original, and 'oddball' without being too 'out there' so it might work. How will it fit in though?

newyorkrunaway1 · February 9th, 2006, 06:47 PM

lets hope they don't build this. it will not fit in, it will change the skyline for the worse. maybe a long time down the road it may, if other projecs get built.

Raleigh-NC · February 9th, 2006, 06:52 PM

I am not a big fan of such design, but this is still a major investment, so congratulations to Louisville

Where is it going to be built relative to the rest of the towers? Anyone cares to create a rendering of the [new] skyline for us?

DaVilleisGr8 · February 9th, 2006, 06:58 PM

It was only compared to the Eiffel Tower, Sydney Opera House, Gugenheim Bilboa, etc. it terms of contrasting with the existing landscape. It is by no means as "important". This project, however, should fit Louisville well. The Humana Building was a cut of the same mold. Most people thought a new box would be better. However, it put Louisville on the map in the 80's. This building should be the same. It isn't the same old shiny building with a spire to give it height that doesn't really exist. This is a major development. All the financing is in place. The developers are from a billionaire family. Plus, who has ever heard of an "island in the sky". I bet you are going to want to check it out.

Lexy · February 9th, 2006, 07:11 PM

^ I don't think I would compare this thing to Humana at all. The two are seperate beast either way you look at it. Humana looks like a building should look. This looks like a preliminary proposal for the WTC site in NYC. Congrats nonetheless.

eastwestrob · February 9th, 2006, 07:25 PM

It may be an ultra-modern design,but, It is still very boxy which takes away from "being ultra modern"

newyorkrunaway1 · February 9th, 2006, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lexy

^ I don't think I would compare this thing to Humana at all. The two are seperate beast either way you look at it. Humana looks like a building should look. This looks like a preliminary proposal for the WTC site in NYC. Congrats nonetheless.

LMAO! I agree, a preliminary WTC submission

DaVilleisGr8 · February 9th, 2006, 07:51 PM

Ah, but Lexy, you are forgetting that at the time, the Humana Building was anything but what a building was supposed to look like.

I think the whole point of OMA is for this kind of dialogue to take place. This is art. The whole premise of the structure is to house art, the art community, etc. Art is as subjective as it gets. Ergo, this will challenge everyone.

DaVilleisGr8 · February 9th, 2006, 07:58 PM

Obviously, with a design like this, the different angles you take on the skyline, the building will fit differently. However, this is the location. I think the skyline will look amazing if you moved this view to the right 1,000 feet.

steblack · February 9th, 2006, 08:11 PM

I was in high school when Humana was built, and I remember when it was announced it created a huge uproar. So many people said it look anything but what a building was supposed to look like. Some people called it a giant cash register, others a pink mausoleum, etc. etc. I have a book that was published that compared the five final designs for the Humana Building (there was an architectural competition to determine the winning architect), and the Graves design was the smallest in stature of the five but the most unusual of all of them.

It's interesting how the passage of time changes our perception of what a building should look like.

I do think it's neat that the Browns are carrying on the tradition in Louisville of wealthy arts patrons going to such lengths to create not just functional architecture, but sculptural architecture that creates a public debate.

smiley · February 9th, 2006, 08:12 PM

That sucks. Not because of the general shape - monumentally, it's fine. But in terms of relating to people and the street - it is crap.

iamnorthcarolina · February 9th, 2006, 08:14 PM

In that rendering with skyline above, it evokes a sort of Detroit look.

Lexy · February 9th, 2006, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamnorthcarolina

In that rendering with skyline above, it evokes a sort of Detroit look.

Hmmmm, good point.

I reserve my full judgement till I see streetscpe renderings. As it stands now, the thing is far from pedestrian friendly.

card04 · February 9th, 2006, 08:44 PM

Defintely a unique building, I guess I like the rendering, but I will have to get used to it before I make my final judgement, definately a great project for Louisville though.

Raleigh-NC · February 9th, 2006, 08:57 PM

Soulbrotha asked me to post a larger version of an image above. What can I say? Wow!!!

I am not familiar with the existing landscape - on the street-level, at least - but I wonder if this project would attract more high-rises around that area. In that case, it may look/fit well, plus the chances of future developments "fixing" the street-level experience may increase. From the rendering it looks like it will be close to the river, therefore future developments cannot sit across the side facing the water, but I do not see that as a problem. I know that many people spend too much time worrying about the street-level activity, but keep in mind that some buildings will serve as elements that distinguish a city's skyline from others, while some buildings will contribute more in creating pedestrian activity. It is a very strange looking design, I must admit

February 9th, 2006, 05:51 PM	#1
steblack KY native in NYC Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 17 Likes (Received): 0	LOUISVILLE \| Museum Plaza \| 703ft \| 61 fl \| Cancelled http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/...602090386/1008 Last edited by desertpunk; August 1st, 2011 at 08:07 PM. Reason: Added renderings to first post.

February 9th, 2006, 06:23 PM	#3
Style™ King of the Queen Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 2,146 Likes (Received): 0	omg. it was compared to the Eiffel Tower. thee Gherkin, and the Sydney Opera House. its a nice design. i just cant see it being compared to those buildings. 61 Stories 703 feet tall $380 million total cost 85 luxury condos, starting at $400,000 150 lofts, costing $275,000 or less 300 hotel rooms 300,000 square feet of office space 1.2 million square feet total space 1,100 underground parking spots 10,500 people a day projected to use Museum Plaza 561 full-time employees needed for construction Construction starts in 2007 Construction completed in 2010 "This will be a 24/7 environment," he said. "Part of the goal of this project is to give the revitalization effort downtown and on West Main a big boost." ^ i'm not sure how that is going to be done since the retail and museum component of the project are located 22 floors above the street? __________________ Queen City Pulse

February 9th, 2006, 06:43 PM	#6
vid Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Thunder Bay Posts: 12,876 Likes (Received): 39	Amazing. It's original, and 'oddball' without being too 'out there' so it might work. How will it fit in though? __________________ winnipeg (06/12 - 09/12) + other photos / random things He SO collects cactuses. You can see it in his eyes.

February 9th, 2006, 06:52 PM	#8
Raleigh-NC Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 6,349 Likes (Received): 0	I am not a big fan of such design, but this is still a major investment, so congratulations to Louisville Where is it going to be built relative to the rest of the towers? Anyone cares to create a rendering of the [new] skyline for us? __________________ Raleigh MSA Raleigh MSA Images Visit this thread on my hometown (Kalamata, Greece) and this one, too. The right decision

February 9th, 2006, 07:11 PM	#10
Lexy Fly Nashville! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Nashville Posts: 756 Likes (Received): 0	^ I don't think I would compare this thing to Humana at all. The two are seperate beast either way you look at it. Humana looks like a building should look. This looks like a preliminary proposal for the WTC site in NYC. Congrats nonetheless. __________________ -Nashville, Tennessee- Nashville, the next great southern city. Nashville @ PBase: http://www.flickr.com/photos/perspectivephotography Nashville International Airport: Serving over 10 milion passengers a year! Pictures of it @ PBase http://www.flickr.com/photos/perspec...7602589114316/

February 9th, 2006, 05:59 PM	#2
Justin6882 Capital City Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 202 Likes (Received): 0	Wow, thats a ballsy architect. A striking contrast to some of the buildings that have been proposed here in Raleigh. But overall, I kinda like the design, even if it is a little lego-ish. There's definitely nothing like it that I've seen, congrats Lousiville!

February 9th, 2006, 06:38 PM	#4
oresaw Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Charlotte Posts: 144 Likes (Received): 0	Wow, I like it. This will definitly thrust Louisville's visability up a notch. Congratulations, I think any city would be proud to have a proposal like this. We'll definitly have to keep an eye on this project as it could be one of the more exciting projects going up in the South.

February 9th, 2006, 06:43 PM	#5
verycoolnin Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Hampton Roads Posts: 113 Likes (Received): 0	Weird looking.

February 9th, 2006, 06:47 PM	#7
newyorkrunaway1 Skyscraper Guru Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 844 Likes (Received): 0	lets hope they don't build this. it will not fit in, it will change the skyline for the worse. maybe a long time down the road it may, if other projecs get built.

February 9th, 2006, 06:58 PM	#9
DaVilleisGr8 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Louisville Posts: 494 Likes (Received): 0	It was only compared to the Eiffel Tower, Sydney Opera House, Gugenheim Bilboa, etc. it terms of contrasting with the existing landscape. It is by no means as "important". This project, however, should fit Louisville well. The Humana Building was a cut of the same mold. Most people thought a new box would be better. However, it put Louisville on the map in the 80's. This building should be the same. It isn't the same old shiny building with a spire to give it height that doesn't really exist. This is a major development. All the financing is in place. The developers are from a billionaire family. Plus, who has ever heard of an "island in the sky". I bet you are going to want to check it out.

February 9th, 2006, 07:25 PM	#11
eastwestrob Daddyrabbit Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 231 Likes (Received): 0	It may be an ultra-modern design,but, It is still very boxy which takes away from "being ultra modern"

February 9th, 2006, 07:51 PM	#13
DaVilleisGr8 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Louisville Posts: 494 Likes (Received): 0	Ah, but Lexy, you are forgetting that at the time, the Humana Building was anything but what a building was supposed to look like. I think the whole point of OMA is for this kind of dialogue to take place. This is art. The whole premise of the structure is to house art, the art community, etc. Art is as subjective as it gets. Ergo, this will challenge everyone.

February 9th, 2006, 07:58 PM	#14
DaVilleisGr8 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Louisville Posts: 494 Likes (Received): 0	Obviously, with a design like this, the different angles you take on the skyline, the building will fit differently. However, this is the location. I think the skyline will look amazing if you moved this view to the right 1,000 feet.

February 9th, 2006, 08:11 PM	#15
steblack KY native in NYC Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 17 Likes (Received): 0	Daville is right..... I was in high school when Humana was built, and I remember when it was announced it created a huge uproar. So many people said it look anything but what a building was supposed to look like. Some people called it a giant cash register, others a pink mausoleum, etc. etc. I have a book that was published that compared the five final designs for the Humana Building (there was an architectural competition to determine the winning architect), and the Graves design was the smallest in stature of the five but the most unusual of all of them. It's interesting how the passage of time changes our perception of what a building should look like. I do think it's neat that the Browns are carrying on the tradition in Louisville of wealthy arts patrons going to such lengths to create not just functional architecture, but sculptural architecture that creates a public debate.

February 9th, 2006, 08:12 PM	#16
smiley Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,097 Likes (Received): 0	That sucks. Not because of the general shape - monumentally, it's fine. But in terms of relating to people and the street - it is crap. __________________ Do I contradict myself? Well then, I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes. I don't pretend 'cause I don't care.

February 9th, 2006, 08:14 PM	#17
iamnorthcarolina I Am North Carolina Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 59 Likes (Received): 0	In that rendering with skyline above, it evokes a sort of Detroit look.

February 9th, 2006, 08:44 PM	#19
card04 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Louisville Posts: 959 Likes (Received): 0	Defintely a unique building, I guess I like the rendering, but I will have to get used to it before I make my final judgement, definately a great project for Louisville though.

February 9th, 2006, 08:57 PM	#20
Raleigh-NC Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 6,349 Likes (Received): 0	Soulbrotha asked me to post a larger version of an image above. What can I say? Wow!!! I am not familiar with the existing landscape - on the street-level, at least - but I wonder if this project would attract more high-rises around that area. In that case, it may look/fit well, plus the chances of future developments "fixing" the street-level experience may increase. From the rendering it looks like it will be close to the river, therefore future developments cannot sit across the side facing the water, but I do not see that as a problem. I know that many people spend too much time worrying about the street-level activity, but keep in mind that some buildings will serve as elements that distinguish a city's skyline from others, while some buildings will contribute more in creating pedestrian activity. It is a very strange looking design, I must admit __________________ Raleigh MSA Raleigh MSA Images Visit this thread on my hometown (Kalamata, Greece) and this one, too. The right decision Last edited by Raleigh-NC; February 9th, 2006 at 09:19 PM. Reason: Added content.

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