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Old April 18th, 2008, 02:40 AM   #301
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Both the government and airlines must share the blame together.

You can't blame the government for not enforcing safety onto the airlines, that just makes the airlines more guilty of disregarding safety. An airline must be socially responsible for the passengers it carries, in addition to flying them to their destinations.

Politics? What politics? Garuda is not the only airline in Indonesia. New planes does not guarantee safe flights; Lion Air's B739ERs frequently got scraped and even though no lives were lost from that, it is still not good in the long run.
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Old April 18th, 2008, 02:45 PM   #302
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tailstrike does not necessarily mean scrapping which includes writing off ...
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Old April 19th, 2008, 12:44 AM   #303
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well, i think his point is even with 737-900'ers, the indonesian airliners are still not that safe.
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Both the government and airlines must share the blame together.

You can't blame the government for not enforcing safety onto the airlines, that just makes the airlines more guilty of disregarding safety. An airline must be socially responsible for the passengers it carries, in addition to flying them to their destinations.

Politics? What politics? Garuda is not the only airline in Indonesia. New planes does not guarantee safe flights; Lion Air's B739ERs frequently got scraped and even though no lives were lost from that, it is still not good in the long run.

I agree with your commend
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Old April 20th, 2008, 12:44 PM   #305
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from http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2008/...re-bali-route/

04/18/08 22:13
Lion Air to open Singapore-Bali route


Jakarta (ANTARA News) - The largest private airline company in Indonesia, Lion Air, is planning to open a route linking Singapore with Bali in the near future, the airline`s corporate secretary, Hasyim Arsal Alhabsi, said.

"We are planning to serve the route beginning next June or July after today`s opening of a Jakarta-Singapore-Vietnam route," Alhabsi said here on Friday.

He said the route would be opened in order to offer Singaporean tourists comfortable direct flights to the Indonesian resort island of Bali.

Alhasbi said his company would serve the Singapore-Bali route with newest Boeing 737-900ER airliners which were expected to arrive in Indonesia on April 28, 2008.

"This plan is being made in line with the government`s Visit Indonesia Year (VIY) 2008 program," he said.

He said at the initial stage, the flight frequency on the Singapore-Bali route would be once a day with an average load factor target of 75 percent.

The opening of the new route was also expected to support the newly opened Jakarta-Singaore-Vietnam route.

"So, passengers bound for Vietnam can take a flight from Jakarta or from Denpasar (Bali)," he said.

In connection with the opening of the Jakarta-Singapore-Vietnam route, Lion Air had flown 30 travel agents from Vietnam to Bali to make a direct observation of the Indonesian tourist island.

Alhabsi expressed hope that the Ministry of Transportation would give priority to domestic airlines in granting additional flight frequencies rather than to foreign ones.

The Ministry of Transportation has previously granted Singapore Airlines additional flight frequencies from four to seven flights daily for Singapore Airlines.

The granting of the additional flight frequencies was aimed at making the Indonesia Visit Year 2008 a success. During the VIY 2008 it is expected that seven million foreign tourists would arrive in Indonesia.

The decision to grant additional flight frequencies was reached in a coordinative meeting led by Vice President Jusuf Kalla with Transportation Minister Jusman Syafii Djamal and Tourism and Culture Minister Jero Wacik.(*)

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another good news from lion air..
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Old April 20th, 2008, 04:26 PM   #306
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Cool. Will be happy to see more Lion Air B737-900ERs in Changi.

Would be cool if Lion Air established an airline in Singapore. This way, Lion could tap on Changi as a Southeast Asian gateway from Europe and funnel them to Indonesian and other Southeast Asian cities.

It would be better still if Lion Air signs interlining agreements with the European or American airlines. This would no doubt raise the profile of Lion Air.
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Cool. Will be happy to see more Lion Air B737-900ERs in Changi.

Would be cool if Lion Air established an airline in Singapore. This way, Lion could tap on Changi as a Southeast Asian gateway from Europe and funnel them to Indonesian and other Southeast Asian cities.

It would be better still if Lion Air signs interlining agreements with the European or American airlines. This would no doubt raise the profile of Lion Air.
sorry i dont really get u.. why does lion air need to establish an airline in Singapore?? Isn't Lion Air already flying to Jakarta and Ho Chin Minh City??
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Could he have meant "a hub"??
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Cool. Will be happy to see more Lion Air B737-900ERs in Changi.

Would be cool if Lion Air established an airline in Singapore. This way, Lion could tap on Changi as a Southeast Asian gateway from Europe and funnel them to Indonesian and other Southeast Asian cities.

It would be better still if Lion Air signs interlining agreements with the European or American airlines. This would no doubt raise the profile of Lion Air.
Why would Lion Air do that? They are an Indonesian Airline. It's like American Airlines setting up a hub in Surabaya.
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Old April 21st, 2008, 12:02 PM   #310
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maybe he wants to refer to Jetstar's Jetstar Asia in Changi...an australian carrier making changi as their hub...right?
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Old April 21st, 2008, 02:30 PM   #311
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Yeah. That's what Lion Air said it wants to do, create hubs all around ASEAN. It has already announced plans for an Australian and Thai ventures.

Does that make Lion Air less Indonesian? Probably yes, but low cost airlines have less roots to their "home country" than full service carriers.

AirAsia is a Malaysian, Indonesian and Thai. Jetstar is Australian, Singaporean and Vietnamese. Tiger is Singaporean, Australian and soon Korean.

It's time to look at the big picture now.

I cannot imagine what will be your reaction when the full ASEAN Open Skies comes into effect in 2011 or so; which means any ASEAN registered airline can fly from anywhere in ASEAN to anywhere in ASEAN regardless of borders.
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Why would Lion Air do that? They are an Indonesian Airline. It's like American Airlines setting up a hub in Surabaya.
Actually that's not an uncommon thing.

GA operates SIN as their (mini-)hub

QF treats (or treated) SIN as their mini hub, with flights to various destinations (LHR, FRA, DPS etc)
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Old April 21st, 2008, 06:15 PM   #313
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Yeah. That's what Lion Air said it wants to do, create hubs all around ASEAN. It has already announced plans for an Australian and Thai ventures.

Does that make Lion Air less Indonesian? Probably yes, but low cost airlines have less roots to their "home country" than full service carriers.

AirAsia is a Malaysian, Indonesian and Thai. Jetstar is Australian, Singaporean and Vietnamese. Tiger is Singaporean, Australian and soon Korean.

It's time to look at the big picture now.

I cannot imagine what will be your reaction when the full ASEAN Open Skies comes into effect in 2011 or so; which means any ASEAN registered airline can fly from anywhere in ASEAN to anywhere in ASEAN regardless of borders.
i can understand that.. what i dont understand is the need to set up airline in singapore?? lion air can use Singapore as its hub, i have no problem with that.. but do they really need to set up airline in singapore?? the fact is, just by being an indonesian airline, it is already treating singapore as its first hub outside indonesia..
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Okay, if Lion is happy with rights, they can use Singapore as a hub.. If they want more, they can set up an airline. But getting back...

I think Lion Air will diversify itself... In its plans for Lion Australia, there are clear plans for that airline to have a Business Class and an Economy Class with frills. They wanna be something in between Virgin Blue and Qantas, not being a LCC persay.

And I don't see Lion Air sitting around with 165 B739ERs, reigning the SEAsian/Australian/Indian skies and letting Garuda take the European/NE Asian/American market...

And I don't think Lion Air will continue to be happy that Singapore Airlines is the largest foreign airline out of Jakarta, and poaching most of Indonesians who can pay a premium price.

I'd like to see an Indonesian aviation sector that is healthy, safe and competitive with airlines in Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia...
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ic now i get what u mean..

according to the plan, Lion Air will eventually be a full-service airline.. not too sure then that's gonna happen but that's the plan..

this is from Lion Air's website:


6 June will be the inaugural Singapore-Denpasar flight..
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they have Wings Air that operates as a LCC.
I think it's better for Lion Air to set up an hub in singapore (or perhaps batam) rather than in KLIA. Much more competition with AirAsia. Singapore has Tiger Airways, but i have some thoughts about that airliner.
And if the new airport of medan is in operation, they could make it their north-west hub for indonesia or SEA? (if they dont setup hubs in singapore or somewhere around)
But i got my thoughts about Lion Air as well. They have ordered more than 160 aircrafts of the 900 type, howcome the expanding is going so slowly. They receive about 1 new aircraft a month/every 2 months. Why do they spread it over so a long time if they know that the image of the Indonesian aviation is not that so good. (old planes, bad service, much delay etc) Shouldn't they (just like mandala is doing by replacing all the 'classics' to 320's within 2 year) replace all their planes (md's, 737 classics) more quickly than they do right now?
If we want to take Lion Air seriously as a competitor, I think they should immediately get rid of all their old planes, setting up a modern mainteance service department (like garuda has) and improve their image by adding more new planes and creating better deals by working more together with travel agency's in SEA and perhaps outside Asia.

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I think Lion Air, like the other notables in SEAsia like Jetstar, AirAsia and Tiger are awaiting the planned "open skies" soon to take effect in ASEAN.

The ASEAN Capital Cities Open Skies is scheduled to take effect Jan 1 next year while the full EU-type open skies will be implemented 2-3 years after that.

Only then would expansion be unlimited and not inhibited by bilateral air agreements and other things like that. Also, it would not be necessary to set up an airline in another country just to get full hubbing rights from the proposed hub.

Even AirAsia, being Southeast Asia's no. 1 LCC is only has 43 aircraft currently if you include all their ventures... Lion Air has 29 aircraft by the way...
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BOEING, LION AIR CELEBRATE 10TH 737-900ER DELIVERY

KUALA LUMPUR, April 29 (Bernama) -- The Boeing Company and Jakarta-based Lion Air celebrated the delivery of the airline’s 10th Next-Generation 737-900ER (Extended Range) airplane on Monday. The airplane, shown here during a test flight, will be used by the airline to expand its service with new destinations throughout South and Southeast Asia, the airplane maker said in a statement here.

The airline’s 737-900ERs are equipped with performance-enhancing Blended Winglets, which improve fuel efficiency and reduce CO2 emissions by up to 4 percent, it said. Boeing launched the 737-900ER program in July 2005 when Lion Air announced the initial order for 30 of the newest 737 model. The airline received the world's first 737-900ER in April 2007 and has ordered a total of 178 737-900ERs.

The 737-900ER has substantial economic advantages over competing models, including 6 percent lower operating costs per trip and 4 percent lower operating costs per seat than its competitor -- which is more than 9,550 pounds (4,340 kg) heavier. The 737-900ER joins the 737-600, -700, -700ER and -800 airplanes and will share the same industry-leading reliability of the other Next-Generation 737 series models.

Lion Air, which operates an all-Boeing fleet and is the largest low-fare airline in Asia, serves nearly 1 million passengers per month. The airline began operations in June 2000. -- BERNAMA UHS LES[/QUOTE]
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Depati Amir Airport of Pangkal Pinang, Bangka Island

Babel to extend Depati Amir airport`s runway

Pangkalpinang (ANTARA News) - The Bangka Belitung (Babel) provincial administration is making preparations for the extension of Depati Amir Airport`s runway to enable wide-bodied planes including Airbus 320s to land.

"A tender for the extension of the runway is entering the final phase. Physical work on its construction will start in May 2008 and will be completed in October 2008," the head of the airport`s monitoring section at the Babel provincial transportation and tourism office, Guritno, said on Monday.

The runway would be lengthened to 2,250 meters from 2,000 meters at a total cost of Rp7 billion, he said.

The runway`s extension is part of a Rp800 billion project which also includes the installation of a landing system instrument at the airport to help airplanes land at a visibility of 1,000 meters.

The project also includes construction of a new terminal, waiting room, and apron.

Babel Governor Eko Maulana Ali said the expansion of the airport was urgent to ensure the success of the Visit Babel Archie 2010 program.

He said he had lobbied a number of airlines to fly from Singapore and Malaysia to Babel.

"We have discussed a plan to open the flight route under the frame of the Islamic Malay World (DMDI) cooperation, the Indonesia- Malaysia-Thailand Growth Triangle (IMT-GT) and the Indonesia- Malaysia-Singapore Growth Triangle (IMS-GT) schemes," he said.
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