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Old February 19th, 2013, 09:45 AM   #1421
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Does it mean once GA receives the 773-ER, it can fly to the US?
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I ever heard that CAT2 include ban for all airlines of one country. So, FAA will unbanned Indonesia.
The ban is applied to the regulator, and therefore all airlines under the authority of the regulator. For GA to be able to fly to US, the Indonesian Authority must be off CAT-2 first.
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Old February 21st, 2013, 02:16 AM   #1422
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The ban is applied to the regulator, and therefore all airlines under the authority of the regulator. For GA to be able to fly to US, the Indonesian Authority must be off CAT-2 first.
Thanks for the information and explanation.

So it's not really matter if U.S embassy ask to GA for re-open the U.S routes but it's about regulation and savety. U.S.A will not invite GA from CAT2 to have flight back to U.S while it's more concern about savety right?

United Airlines have codeshares route From CGK by ANA. I think it's just good enough
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Old March 1st, 2013, 05:03 AM   #1423
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Lion Air (JT) prepare for landing at BDO


Indonesia Air(I8) it's a new comer in Regular Schedule Flights Airline after 40years and more play role as charter airlines
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Old March 9th, 2013, 08:52 PM   #1424
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Old March 10th, 2013, 03:10 AM   #1425
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three deliveries within a month, so citilink will have 18 airbus in total until march and 6 B737s

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Old March 11th, 2013, 07:31 PM   #1426
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actually GA can still fly to US under cat 2 but they do have to use an aircraft from CAT1 catagories countries.

I also heard that Indonesia on its way to be upgraded from Cat 2 to cat 1 Faa... not sure if its soon enough or not, but hopefully we make it.

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Old March 12th, 2013, 09:14 AM   #1427
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With a burgeoning middle class, Indonesia is among the most attractive markets for air transportation in the world, but local airlines are still unable to fully tap into the business potential due to poor management and a lack of a long-term planning.

The International Air Transport Association (IATA) predicts that Indonesia will rank as the world’s ninth-largest domestic market and among the top 10 for international freights in 2014.

Local airlines are aware of the market potential. This year alone, a number of airlines — both well-established and newcomers — have signed contracts to procure new aircraft as part of their expansion plans to tap into the growing market, in which the number of air passengers is expected to reach 88 million by the end of 2013.

National flag carrier Garuda Indonesia is, for example, adding 24 new aircraft comprising wide-body Boeing 777-300 Extended Range (ER) airplanes for long-haul services and Canadian Bombardier CRJ1000 NextGen planes to expand their network in eastern regions of Indonesia.

Meanwhile, the country’s low-cost giant, Lion Air, which held 41 percent market share in 2011, has ordered 18 new B737-900 ERs for itself and its two subsidiaries: the full-service Batik Air and Malindo Airways, which is a joint venture with Malaysia’s National Aerospace and Defense Industries (NADI).

In addition to that, airlines have started to cater to regional routes such as Bandung–Surabaya; Batam–Palembang; Makassar–Manado; and Balikpapan–Pontianak, making trips more efficient as the planes will not have to transit at major hubs like Soekarno-Hatta International Airport in Cengkareng, Banten, or Juanda International Airport in Surabaya, East Java.
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Old March 12th, 2013, 09:18 AM   #1428
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I notice there are no windows between two doors on Garuda's 747...
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Old March 12th, 2013, 10:27 AM   #1429
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there are no windows there because it's used as their galley....
better check the seat plan....

http://www.garuda-indonesia.com/us/g...seat-map.page?
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Old March 18th, 2013, 12:14 PM   #1430
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Last year they just signed contract for 200 boeing jets presence by Obama in Indonesia.

Lion Air Orders More Than 200 Airbus Jets



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European aerospace giant Airbus will sign on Monday what would mark one of its biggest orders ever from Indonesia's Lion Air for more than 200 A320 medium-haul jets, business daily Les Echos reported.

The deal is expected to be worth more than $20 billion with a standard A320 model priced at $91.5 million. Its newer and more fuel-efficient NEO plane has a price tag of more than $100 million.

French President Francois Hollande's office said that he would host the chief executive of Airbus to celebrate the signing of "a major industrial agreement," but both the plane maker and the French presidency declined further comment.

The government said the deal with the Asian budget airline will be signed as France's Industry Week kicks off, but declined to give more details on the nature of the agreement.

Monday's meeting between Hollande and Airbus CEO Fabrice Bregier will take place at 1000 GMT at the presidential palace.

The news comes just days after Airbus received an order worth as much as $15.5 billion from Turkish airlines for up to 117 planes. That order also centered on Airbus' A320 medium-haul family.

Lion Air is Indonesia's largest privately-run airline and would be a new client for Airbus as it has previously been equipped almost exclusively by US rival Boeing.

In 2011, the Indonesian carrier signed a record $22.4 billion deal for 230 Boeing 737 airliners.

The Lion Air order marks at least the third attempt by Airbus to woo Lion Air, long seen as a fortress for Boeing.It is likely to throw the spotlight on an intense battle for market share between the largest planemakers.

It is also likely to add zest to a regional battle for supremacy between Lion Air and AirAsia, the low-cost carrier founded by Malaysian entrepreneur Tony Fernandes.

Lion Air is about to start up a domestic Malaysian rival to AirAsia, which has long been exclusively an Airbus operator. Some industry watchers have warned of a potential price war.

The airlines are respectively among the top buyers of Boeing and Airbus jets. Airlines rarely switch suppliers because of re-training costs and the burden of keeping extra spares, but the practice of "flipping" has grown as market share battles raged.


As France battles with rising unemployment figures, Airbus is one of the few companies that continues to recruit heavily. In January, Bregier said the company would hire 3,000 people worldwide in 2013.

Boeing outsold Airbus in 2012 for the first time in six years and remains ahead this year, according to monthly data.

With some 240 million people, Indonesia is the world's fourth most populous nation and most far-flung archipelago with more than 17,000 islands scattered across 33 provinces.

Air travel has grown sharply in recent years with the emergence of budget carriers like Lion Air, as well as rising incomes thanks to steady economic growth.
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European airframer giant Airbus and Indonesian budget carrier Lion Air are set to announce an order of 200 narrow-body aircraft A320 aircraft in Paris, France, later in the day, French newspaper Les Echos reported early on Monday.

It was reported that French President Francois Hollande will oversee the announcement ceremony of which details have yet to be revealed.

The huge order, potentially worth almost US$20 billion, marks a major shift in Lion’s procurement strategy, which until recently only included both narrow-body and wide-body Boeing aircraft.

In its inventory, the low-cost carrier (LCC) has a Boeing 737 classic series, 737-800 and 737-900ER narrow-body aircraft. Lion also operates two Boeing 747-400 wide-body aircraft for its Saudi Arabia routes. Lion has also ordered a Boeing 787 Dreamliner.
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Old March 18th, 2013, 02:52 PM   #1433
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PARIS : Europe's Airbus has won a record order worth 18.4 billion euros ($23.8 billion) from Indonesia's Lion Air for 234 medium-haul A320 jets, the French presidency announced Monday.

Calling it the "biggest contract for civilian planes for Airbus," the Elysee said it would "create 5,000 jobs in France over the next 10 years".

The announcement came after a meeting between French President Francois Hollande and Airbus head Fabrice Bregier.

The deal comes after the Indonesian carrier astounded the industry with a US$22.4 billion agreement for 230 Boeing 737 airliners, inked in 2011 as a visiting US President Barack Obama looked on.

The impressive orders are in sharp contrast with the size of the company, which is banned from US and EU skies over safety fears.

Founded in 1999 by brothers Kusnan and Rusdi Kirana, who are ranked the 33rd richest Indonesians with collective wealth of US$900 million, Lion Air is the first private airline in Indonesia, a sprawling archipelago nation.

Currently it operates a relatively modest 92 planes - all Boeings except for one McDonnell Douglas - which makes it number nine among regional carriers in terms of fleet size.

Its 72 destinations are mostly in Indonesia, and the furthest it flies is to Saudi Arabia - a route mostly packed with domestic workers and construction labourers.

Nevertheless, the company has huge ambitions, and is betting big on the formidable expansion of air transport in Indonesia, which is experiencing passenger growth of around 20 percent every year.

With 240 million people, Indonesia is the world's fourth most populous nation, and embraces more than 17,000 islands scattered across 33 provinces.

Annual economic growth exceeds 6.0 percent and there is a burgeoning middle class which is keen to abandon travel by bus, ferry and train and instead take to the skies for holidays and family visits.

Despite its regulatory woes, Lion Air is intent on spreading its wings internationally, and is expected this year to launch its long-haul arm, Batik Air, with six Boeing 737s and five Boeing B787 Dreamliners.

Last September it also announced the launch of another offshoot, Malindo Airways, which will begin regional operations in May from Malaysia, the home turf of Lion Air's main rival, AirAsia.

The vast potential of Indonesia's aviation market, and the scope for offshoot carriers, supports the scale of Lion Air's orders, said Brendan Sobie from the Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation in Singapore.

"They see an increase in demand that is brought on by the conditions in the home market. If you look at the projections for growth in Indonesia, assuming that Lion maintains its current market share and leading position, they are going to need a few hundred more aircraft just to keep that position," he said.

"They also have an ambition to play more in international markets and to open up affiliates in other countries."

Observers said that Lion Air wants to replicate the success of AirAsia, the region's low-cost pioneer which has flourished from its Kuala Lumpur base under the charismatic leadership of founder Tony Fernandes.

"I think Lion Air wants to show that it can beat Tony Fernandes," said Dudi Sudibyo, an expert from aviation magazine Angkasa.

"But the questions now are - who will fly those planes, where will the planes be parked, and how do they finance this?" he said, adding that the Airbus deal would likely be funded by a consortium.

With both mega-purchases in place, Lion Air would boast more than 600 aircraft by 2025, making it among the top-ten of the world's biggest airlines in terms of fleet size.

In 2007, Lion was among a number of Indonesian airlines banned by the EU for lax safety standards.

Flag carrier Garuda Indonesia and several other firms were taken off the blacklist in July 2009, but Lion Air is still on it.

Under present Federal Aviation Administration rules it would not normally be allowed to begin services to the US as the FAA classifies Indonesia as not meeting minimum air safety oversight requirements.

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Old March 18th, 2013, 05:17 PM   #1434
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Do you think there is enough demand for so many airlines with such growing fleets? I mean is growth that in line with orders as it seems quite a large expansion considering not all the country's population will have access to such services.
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Do you think there is enough demand for so many airlines with such growing fleets? I mean is growth that in line with orders as it seems quite a large expansion considering not all the country's population will have access to such services.
The question is: Does any airline know what's going to happen in any country in the next 10-15 years?
In the case of Indonesia and Lion Air, Indonesia's GDP is 6% now but, what about the future?

We know that Asia's growth is going to continue but, is it going to be enough market for all the airlines, growing all so fast?

Lion Air is not the only one making big orders in the region. Also, airlines as AirAsia and Tiger Airways are making big investments in fleet and routes across all Asia.

Time will tell. I'm a little bit exceptic about all that big orders.
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Do you think there is enough demand for so many airlines with such growing fleets? I mean is growth that in line with orders as it seems quite a large expansion considering not all the country's population will have access to such services.
Domestically, Indonesia has a population of 230 million people with an increasingly wealthy middle class. The presence of low-cost carriers, whose low fares make it affordable for the upper lower class to travel, combined with the fact that the only realistic way to travel around the country is to fly, makes growth prospects very optimistic. It also helps that Southeast Asia, with a population of 500 million - larger than the EU, is also burgeoning as an economic power.
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The better question is whether safety standards can be kept amidst this growth? Hope Adam Air's management problems will not repeat itself elsewhere in the industry.
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Domestically, Indonesia has a population of 230 million people with an increasingly wealthy middle class. The presence of low-cost carriers, whose low fares make it affordable for the upper lower class to travel, combined with the fact that the only realistic way to travel around the country is to fly, makes growth prospects very optimistic. It also helps that Southeast Asia, with a population of 500 million - larger than the EU, is also burgeoning as an economic power.
I am well aware of Southeast Asia booming economically but that many aircraft does seem a bit much but then Ryanair and Easyjet haven't exactly made small orders either.
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The better question is whether safety standards can be kept amidst this growth? Hope Adam Air's management problems will not repeat itself elsewhere in the industry.
Hopefully so, Indonesian Aviation Regulators are in talk with EU and FAA to help Indonesia improves its safety standard. It's part of the deal.

Lion Group, for sure, is dying to fly to USA, Far East and Australia. Thus, it creates Malindo Airways to circumvent the FAA CAT2 and EU flight ban (Garuda is exempted from the ban since 2009)/ Rusdi Kirana, Lion's CEO, said that Malindo will not eat up MH and AK marketshare since Malindo depends on Lion's Indonesian network and he is certain that Indonesians will fill up his Malindo aircrafts.

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We know that Asia's growth is going to continue but, is it going to be enough market for all the airlines, growing all so fast?

Lion Air is not the only one making big orders in the region. Also, airlines as AirAsia and Tiger Airways are making big investments in fleet and routes across all Asia.

Time will tell. I'm a little bit exceptic about all that big orders.
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I am well aware of Southeast Asia booming economically but that many aircraft does seem a bit much but then Ryanair and Easyjet haven't exactly made small orders either.
SouthEast asia had more than 1 country with booming economies. Indonesia, Vietnam, Philippines and even Myanmar are poised for growth. This is a large market to tap with more than 500m people living in the region. Is there demand in Indonesia? Yes, the number of middle class population will grow steadily over the next few years and this means more flights. Indonesia handled almost 70m air-passengers last year and the growth rate for Indonesian air travel is roughly about 8-10%.

But, doesn't Lion bite more than it can chew? I don't think so. Lion's founder has just established Transportation Partner, an aircraft leasing company, in Singapore and I believe most of the newly ordered planes will go to the leasing company instead of Lion Air or Malindo.
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Old March 21st, 2013, 12:43 PM   #1440
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Six years after axing the Brisbane to Bali route in the wake of a fatal plane crash, Garuda Indonesia is reintroducing the service.

From August the airline will fly daily from Brisbane to Denpasar.

The move has been welcomed by Queensland Treasurer Tim Nicholls and Tourism Minister Jann Stuckey, who said it would enhance trade relations between Indonesia and Queensland.

“These flights will bolster ties between our two regions, increasing Queensland's connection with Indonesia,” Mr Nicholls said.
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“Last financial year, Indonesia was Queensland's ninth largest merchandise export destination, worth almost $1.2 billion to the state's economy.

"This figure has more than doubled in the last ten years.

“The announcement of these flights gives a clear indication of Indonesia's continued confidence in our economy.”

Garuda Indonesia has spent years rebuilding its reputation in the wake of a domestic Boeing 737 crash at Yogyakarta Airport which killed 21 people, including five Australians.

The new flights will depart daily from Brisbane to Denpasar on Garuda Indonesia's B737-800 next generation aircraft, which can seat 162 passengers.
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