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Old July 18th, 2013, 01:08 AM   #1501
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The CRK's are for GA 's use only.
Oh ok. But, the CRK could work well with Citilink too, given its small size and appeal. Yet, the ATR is a great choice too for shorter flights and to airports with short runways.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 04:14 AM   #1502
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Whoa, 100 new routes? Will those include international routes too? I mean, with many A320s operated by the airline, I must say that Citilink is a fast-growing subsidiary of Garuda Indonesia that could rival Lion Air, Mandala, and AirAsia at some point... and by the way, is the airline planning to get other aircraft types too to expand even further within Indonesia?
Citilink will open international route in Q3 2013, the first int route is fly to singapore and kuala lumpur.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 04:34 AM   #1503
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Yes, that many.
And Yes, they are (CMIIW) planning to add the ATR72 to their fleet.
Bozen, don't make a wrong statement. If you dont really know about something, don't tell it, it's make another people confused

Actually garuda has been takeover atr72, and will make it a feeder, its will be like lion with wings air, qantas with qantaslink, or malaysia airlines with maswings
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Old July 18th, 2013, 05:41 AM   #1504
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Citilink will open international route in Q3 2013, the first int route is fly to singapore and kuala lumpur.
Oh ok. That's interesting, especially for the Singapore flight. What routes will those cities be served from Indonesia? Will it be Jakarta or another city?
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Old July 18th, 2013, 06:09 AM   #1505
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Oh ok. That's interesting, especially for the Singapore flight. What routes will those cities be served from Indonesia? Will it be Jakarta or another city?
ups, my bad, sorry , actually they will open int. route in Q4 2013 when 2 more new A320 will come. They not say, will open from where, but they say, will open 2 times to singapore and KL.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 08:02 AM   #1506
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Geeze... will that include international routes too? I mean, for an airline to plan that many new routes, it'd mean either Jakarta, Surabaya, and Denpasar will get additional new services, or the airline could mount new routes from secondary airports, from Medan to Manado to Jayapura, to make such an expansion possible. Perhaps the airline could get the CRJ-1000 too as a side order from Garuda Indonesia as well... or maybe not?
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The CRK's are for GA 's use only.
i found a nice thread on A.net that discuss the CRK problems that GA faced...
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo....main/5817026/

for now, yes it is... but still, there is a possibility that QG could get the CRK too, especially since GA has opted to take over the ATR order from QG, yet they don’t have an aircraft that can serve a point-to-point market that is not profitable enough, either its too short or too small, to be served by their 320s (basically, this is the main roles for ATR in the QG, so GA and QG could easily swap their order in the future if GA feels that ATR much more convenient to use rather than CRK).


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Oh ok. That's interesting, especially for the Singapore flight. What routes will those cities be served from Indonesia? Will it be Jakarta or another city?
probably from Jakarta, since from last month they shut down many point-to-point routes originated from BPN and MES, and moves almost all of its 320s operational to CGK. Maybe they get some rights to operate the CGK SIN since the government has agreed to add more seats for these routes.

but i'm still wondering where on earth they got soooo many slots at prime time hours in the CGK (maybe they got it from GA ) since the slots is becoming more valuable here, and yet Tigerair Mandala and Indonesia AirAsia still had a problem to get an access in CGK prime time slots, so they focused on more point-to-point market, and their routes to CGK mainly operates at red-eye time.
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i found a nice thread on A.net that discuss the CRK problems that GA faced...
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo....main/5817026/

for now, yes it is... but still, there is a possibility that QG could get the CRK too, especially since GA has opted to take over the ATR order from QG, yet they don’t have an aircraft that can serve a point-to-point market that is not profitable enough, either its too short or too small, to be served by their 320s (basically, this is the main roles for ATR in the QG, so GA and QG could easily swap their order in the future if GA feels that ATR much more convenient to use rather than CRK).
Oh wow... I mean, the CRJ-1000 is a new plane rolled out by Bombardier, and its role is perfect, not just for low-density routes from Jakarta, but also for point-to-point destinations that do not necessarily need to go through Jakarta and instead route via Surabaya, Denpasar, or even Medan instead.

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probably from Jakarta, since from last month they shut down many point-to-point routes originated from BPN and MES, and moves almost all of its 320s operational to CGK. Maybe they get some rights to operate the CGK SIN since the government has agreed to add more seats for these routes.

but i'm still wondering where on earth they got soooo many slots at prime time hours in the CGK (maybe they got it from GA ) since the slots is becoming more valuable here, and yet Tigerair Mandala and Indonesia AirAsia still had a problem to get an access in CGK prime time slots, so they focused on more point-to-point market, and their routes to CGK mainly operates at red-eye time.
Oh that's very interesting, especially the SIN-CGK route is one of the busiest air routes in the world, with at least five carriers I know of that operate the route. And with aircraft type used ranging from a lowly A319 to a large B77W (I don't know if the B744 is still used on this route too), it is indeed a lucrative route that truly brings in lots of competition. However, I think the airport authority should be able to secure night flights for all the other carriers who want to do the SIN-CGK route as well... maybe those aren't available at the moment because larger carriers use larger metal for the same route, and it could cause intense competition on the route at night.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 08:22 AM   #1508
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Old July 20th, 2013, 07:18 PM   #1509
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Old July 29th, 2013, 06:42 AM   #1510
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Sorry, the news isn't in English :

Rabu, 24 Juli 2013 | 20:51 WIB
Layani Rute Pendek, Garuda Beli 38 Pesawat ATR


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General Manager PT Garuda Indonesia Tbk, Cabang Surabaya, Ari Suryanta, mengatakan, Garuda akan membeli 38 pesawat kecil jenis ATR 72-600. Pesawat-pesawat kecil itu akan didatangkan mulai tahun ini hingga 2018 mendatang untuk melayani rute-rute pendek.

"Dua pesawat datang pertama pada November besok," kata Ari di Banyuwangi, Rabu 24 Juli 2013. Ari mengatakan pesawat berkapasitas 72 penumpang itu dibutuhkan untuk melayani rute-rute pendek di Indonesia menjelang ASEAN Open Sky yang dimulai 2015 mendatang.
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Old July 29th, 2013, 06:45 AM   #1511
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Garuda Indonesia Revises Planned Jakarta – Osaka Resumption from Nov 2013
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Garuda Indonesia has revised planned Jakarta – Osaka Kansai service resumption, as the 4 weekly A330 service re-appears in the GDS around (or before 24JUL13). The airline now scheduled to resume this route from 08NOV13, after 14.5 years service cancellation. Revised schedule as follow.

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Old July 29th, 2013, 01:42 PM   #1512
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Does anybody know what's going on at Garuda? Planned B777-300ER service for London, Sydney and Tokyo don't seem to be happening as planned.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 07:44 PM   #1513
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Does anybody know what's going on at Garuda? Planned B777-300ER service for London, Sydney and Tokyo don't seem to be happening as planned.
only London that had to be postponed by GA... Sydney and Tokyo seems to be happening as planned. first i thought it was a change of the plan, that GA could realize AMS is a better destination in Europe to send their 77W rather than LON, until i knew that the main reason is...


Due to Limited Runway Capacity at Soekarno-Hatta Airport, Garuda Indonesia Forced to Postpone Flight Service to London
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Jakarta, Indonesia, July 31, 2013 - (ACN Newswire) - Due to a limited runway capacity at Soekarno-Hatta Airport, Garuda Indonesia has been forced to postpone its flight service to London, which had initially been planned for 2 November 2013. Reason being, the pavement classification number (PCN) of the runways and apron at Soekarno-Hatta Airport do not meet the required level of strength, which is typically needed for the operation of a full capacity, heavy duty commercial airline, such as the B 777-300ER.

Garuda Indonesia President & CEO Emirsyah Satar said that to operate at "full capacity" serving direct flights between Jakarta - London (non-stop) and carrying 314 passengers (8 first class, 38 business class, 268 economy class) and a cargo of 30 tons (maximum take-off weight), the B777-300ER requires a PCN of 132 tons. Soekarno-Hatta's aging runway is already 28 years old and nearing "fatigue" with a pavement classification number/PCN of only 120 tons.

To enable Garuda Indonesia to still make the flight to London, there would have to be a "restricted take-off weight" of 329,365 kg, which would mean a reduction in the number of passengers by 39 people and a loss of the ability to carry cargo. Garuda Indonesia would also be unable to fly directly to London. Consequently, the implementation of this flight with these conditions in this competitive world of air travel would have a serious effect on the operational and business requirements of this route.
what the
how could GA make LGW work with a) 5 weekly frequencies, b) throw away 39 seats at low density configuration, and c) no cargo at all!

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Old August 1st, 2013, 02:45 PM   #1514
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Garuda delays direct Jakarta-London flight due to ageing airport

SINGAPORE, Aug 1 (Reuters) - Garuda Indonesia has delayed the launch of its first direct Jakarta-London service by six months due to the capital's ageing airport in another example of creaking infrastructure hitting business in Southeast Asia's largest economy.

State-run Garuda will now start the service in May 2014. The new route was part of Garuda's plans to expand further into the long-haul and premium market.

The airline said the surface of the runways and apron at Soekarno-Hatta airport were not strong enough to support a full capacity, heavy duty commercial aircraft, such as a Boeing B777-300ER, at the maximum take-off weight on the London route.

After years of "fatigue", the 28-year-old runway at the airport must be upgraded, Garuda Chief Executive Emirsyah Satar said in a statement.

The airport operator could not be reached for comment.

"This highlights the fact that we really need to seriously fix our infrastructure to be able to boost growth in aviation sector," said Harry Su, head of research at Jakarta-based PT Bahana Securities.

Privately held Lion Air, AirAsia Bhd and PT Mandala Airlines, part-owned by Tiger Airways Holdings Ltd , are expanding capacity in one of the world's fastest growing but most competitive aviation markets, while regional carriers are also expanding international flights.

Jakarta's main airport was ranked as the world's ninth busiest based on passenger traffic of 57.8 million in 2012, according to preliminary results from the Airports Council International.
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Old August 2nd, 2013, 09:35 AM   #1515
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How did CGK manage to handle the Singapore Airlines A380, then?
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Old August 2nd, 2013, 10:10 AM   #1516
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The A380 was flying from Australia to Singapore when it reached CGK, meaning most of the fuel was burned already.
CGK has of course seen 77W operating there,eg from/to Japan, Dubai, Hongkong etc, but never for a such a long trip like CGK-London, which would carry much more fuel and hence is much heavier.
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Old August 3rd, 2013, 06:38 AM   #1517
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Garuda and Lion also operate the 747 to KSA if I'm not mistaken. This delay by Garuda on the LGW service seems like backpedaling and reanalysis. I think a direct CGK-AMS would make more sense.
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Old August 9th, 2013, 12:56 PM   #1518
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Lion Air Plans Bandung – Kuala Lumpur Service from late-August 2013
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Lion Air from 19AUG13 is planning to introduce Bandung – Kuala Lumpur daily service, on board Boeing 737-800 aircraft. However, reservation for this route is currently not available on the airline’s website.
Planned schedule as follow.


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Finally.... the most awaited trip report from the newest fleet in GA

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Old September 13th, 2013, 05:23 PM   #1520
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