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Old October 29th, 2006, 07:13 PM   #81
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Well, with the height limits in the area, it would make sense to leave 1CS as the pinnacle. The only other place that would suit is in between "ID52" and Citigroup. I'm guessing that 1CS is pretty close to the limits anyway so anything taller would just stretch out the block of buildings.
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Old October 29th, 2006, 08:04 PM   #82
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Wow, you've been here a long time Lance, i've never seen you before, you must be a real lurker... (you know whats coming...)

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Old October 29th, 2006, 08:16 PM   #83
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I make the odd post here and there. Seem to have lost about 300 posts from my count and my avatar picture.... but there you go. Anyway, hello!
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Old October 30th, 2006, 01:04 AM   #84
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Can anyone put up a render of the original CW designs- before the height reductions - I can just about remember them but would be curious to be reminded of what we missed out on!
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Old October 30th, 2006, 03:08 AM   #85
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I really dont think that OCS needs to be the tallest in order to be the 'centre' or the 'pinnacle' (conceptually).

I also do not think that (aesthetically) heights should be limited in this area. The interpret the entire point of the docklands project as a growth area where tall buildings are acceptable.

OCS is already flanked by two buildings which are only slightly shorter. This does little to create a true 'pinnacle' as it produces much more of a flat roof effect. The floor plates of the canada square buildings are large and therefore the buildings do appear squater than they need to.

I wouldnt reject Columbus for being too tall, i wouldnt require it to cut down its' height either.

A height restriction to 'protect' OCS is arbitrary and not in the best interests of the area.

(these arguments have nothing to do with the imposed restrictions due to flight paths etc... that's a different issue entirely)
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Old October 30th, 2006, 11:07 AM   #86
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i agree, ocs has a very prestigious look and due to its position will always have centre stage status. columbus if built would have been a great addition regardless its height, and would never have aquired attention away from ocs. when north quey is built it will have a height of 215metres, not too far from ocs, and inevitably there will be higher buildings built in the future.(well hopefuly) if the height problem lies entirely on city airport perhaps cw could build higher further south of the estate.
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Old October 30th, 2006, 12:32 PM   #87
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Can anyone put up a render of the original CW designs- before the height reductions - I can just about remember them but would be curious to be reminded of what we missed out on!
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Old October 30th, 2006, 01:34 PM   #88
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No I think he means the original Canary Wharf Designs...before 1CS etc. I remember a render of twin towers where HSBC and Citycorps are now.
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Old October 30th, 2006, 03:37 PM   #90
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Old October 30th, 2006, 04:07 PM   #91
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YEs...I remember there were meant to be twin 600ft towers either side, so we gained there as the incumbents are about 700ft!
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Thanks guys! -I did actually mean the original 1980,s CW scheme - the one that Prince Charles put his oar into. I don't recall seeing that render before ,I seem to remember something taller (over 300m) and more slender with two towers either side.
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Old October 30th, 2006, 06:07 PM   #93
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There was a wooden model of the original masterplan that was carted around the island before construction started. Olympia and York were very much into the community/public relations charade at the time.
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Old December 18th, 2006, 10:44 PM   #94
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Anybody any news about Wood Wharf? Should the Rogers masterplan not have been finished by now? With residential prices at current levels would they not want to start that stage in 2007 or 2008?
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The masterplan has been approved I think. The detailed planning application will be submitted in Q1 2007 and construction could start in 2008 at the earliest. The development has been delayed because the joint venture did(does?) not (yet) own all the lands to go ahead.
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Old December 18th, 2006, 11:49 PM   #96
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The masterplan has been approved I think. The detailed planning application will be submitted in Q1 2007 and construction could start in 2008 at the earliest. The development has been delayed because the joint venture did(does?) not (yet) own all the lands to go ahead.
Jef - With all the different masterplans posted above, do you know what is now the final masterplan?
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Old December 19th, 2006, 05:13 AM   #98
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the two pictures will posted are the same masterplan. this is what has been approved. the scheme is now being individually designed.
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Old December 19th, 2006, 09:30 AM   #99
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Im sure Rogers has been working on a new masterplan- That was the original one drawn up by other architects for British Waterways.

Rogers has been working on the new plan for a while now (since summer 2005) along with BDP who were due to design the first phase of the residential element. It was due to go into planning this Autumn but this has now been pushed back to the first quarter of 2007.

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This bit of news from Propertyweek -July 2005

Architect Richard Rogers has won the race to pick up one of the most prestigious masterplans in the country, the £2bn Wood Wharf scheme in London Docklands.

The 8 ha site is the biggest to be developed in the area since Canary Wharf and would create a new quarter in one of the capital’s fastest growing areas.

The Richard Rogers Partnership is understood to be on the point of being selected from an undisclosed shortlist. The client for the scheme is a 50:50 joint venture between British Waterways, which is a public corporation, and private developers Canary Wharf and Ballymore.

Canary Wharf and Ballymore were picked as preferred development partners in January. Other bids were entered by British Land, Grosvenor and Stanhope.

RRP has been working with the private sector developers on the designs but is now about to be appointed by British Waterways as well. A source at the firm said RRP would advance an initial masterplan for the site completed by Bath architect Nick Kuhn two years ago.

The source said: “There are obviously constraints from the original masterplan but we will be looking at the overall site again.”

Kuhn’s masterplan has been enshrined in Tower Hamlets council’s supplementary planning guidance. It provides for at least 460,000 m2 of floorspace, of which 330,000 m2 will be commercial and 120,000 m2 residential.

Stuart Mills, British Waterways’ head of property, refused to be drawn on the appointment but said the masterplanner would be joined by other architects to design individual phases in future.

He said: “This kind of site seldom becomes available. It has the potential to become a world-class opportunity, and we are looking for something quite special.”

Mills added that the client was aiming to submit an outline planning application in the middle of next year, with the intention of starting building 18 months from now.

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From BDP architects

"It will follow on from the development of a masterplan prepared by Richard Rogers Partnership, working with BDP as public space and placemaking consultant. BDP will also carry out an environmental impact assessment of the masterplan site.

The plan will transform the eight hectare docklands site with new homes, offices, shops, a hotel, a working waterway and open space.

The fast track programme requires an outline planning application for the masterplan, with a simultaneous detailed application for the phase 1 element, to be made within 15 months."
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Im sure Rogers has been working on a new masterplan- That was the original one drawn up by other architects for British Waterways.

Rogers has been working on the new plan for a while now (since summer 2005) along with BDP who were due to design the first phase of the residential element. It was due to go into planning this Autumn but this has now been pushed back to the first quarter of 2007.
London Lad - thank you. So that means that with a bick of luck they will be constructing stage 1 in 2008....
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