LIVERPOOL | New Anfield | 60,000+ | Approved

[TheFly]

Talk of the new Anfield being expanded to 80,000 is a little off beam at the moment.

The new owners themselves have already said the original planned expansion, capacity wise, will go ahead. The stadium is expandable further down the line.

Three reasons for this I see:

1. Planning permission only allows for 60,000
2. Increasing capacity by 16,000 is a reasonable jump for any club, to keep supply/demand and use of the all important corporate side Full. It takes a lot longer to fill the exec seats/meals than the pleb seats.
3. Do any club in the Uk have 80,000 fans to turn up for EVERY game.

Point 3 is highly relevant. The new owners have done exactly what the Glazers have done and borrowed the money against the clubs assets and future income. Ticket prices will rise dramatically, unless you are a tad green behind the ears.

Regardless of which, let them build as big as they can because 10,20.30 years down the line the asset is in place and you can ride the good/gad years on/off the field.

[Toadboy]

Anfield sold out for every game last season (well apart from Middlesborough I think were return tickets from them went on sale at 4pm on the day for an evening game - unadvertised).

League Cup games are discounted to £20/£22 adults and a few kids tickets at a tenner.

Liverpool FC run an automated cup ticket scheme - it's voluntary and over half subscribed last season, this season it's expected to be closer to 100%.

Hicks and Gillet have taken on personal debt, they haven't mortgaged the club or future revenues. They've stated that they'll take a dividend as and when allowed to repay the intrest. The stadium will be factored by the football club against future revenues by way of a loan. Prices will fall and rise, I think we're about to see a step change in football pricing for the UK. They'll be a more flexible and dynamic price structure in place as seen across Europe and the US.

Anyone who discounts the pulling power of Liverpool FC is a fool.

[TheFly]

Gillett & Hick have stated they have borrowed against Liverpool.

For a personal loan, you still have to account for the repayments, set against the earning potential of LFC.

Only a fool thinks LFC will not be paying back c£50m a year in interest. Do you for one minute think two yanks have gifted LFC £250million! That is cloud cuckoo land. Abromovich has loaned Chelsea the money! He only covers the interest payments, if he left tomorrow they are bolloxed.

When do you think Gillett & Hicks are going to get there money back? They are not in there 30's anymore!

LFC, MUFC, Arsenal for varying reasons are hugley in debt and will be paying out over £120m a year in interest payments.

[Toadboy]

I don't know what their strategy is Fly and I'm not niave enough to think there won't be money going out but there's more than one way to skin a cat.

[TheFly]

Many ways to skin a cat but you still end up with a pile of bones and a shabby (geddit) skin.

20 Premier League clubs

US owned:
Manchester United
Liverpool
Aston Villa
Arsenal (soon)

Foreign Owned:
Chelsea
Portsmouth
Manchester City
West Ham

So 8 already would be in favour of what distant dumb ass ideas?

Salary Cap, team relocation (Leeds needs a large franchise!), draft picks.

Who knows, but we are a lot closer today than we were only 2 years ago.

I'm not so sure about the future when these vultures sit thousands of miles away, rubbing their hands at £1,000 per person minimum `All Game' season tickets.

[MikeD]

Originally Posted by TheFly

Gillett & Hick have stated they have borrowed against Liverpool.

For a personal loan, you still have to account for the repayments, set against the earning potential of LFC.

Only a fool thinks LFC will not be paying back c£50m a year in interest. Do you for one minute think two yanks have gifted LFC £250million! That is cloud cuckoo land. Abromovich has loaned Chelsea the money! He only covers the interest payments, if he left tomorrow they are bolloxed.

When do you think Gillett & Hicks are going to get there money back? They are not in there 30's anymore!

LFC, MUFC, Arsenal for varying reasons are hugley in debt and will be paying out over £120m a year in interest payments.

Not discounting what has been said with regards to the investment, but both Gillett and Hicks have stated that the comittment we be 'multi-generational' from both families. Foster Gillett (GG's son) will be assuming an executive role on the board from August 1st, his family is moving with him to England.

Yes they will be looking for ROI, but not necessarily in the short / medium term.

[freeluas]

Originally Posted by Toadboy

I'd have thought the only thing stopping an expansion of Old Trafford at some point would be cost/engineering, mind you the place is a nightmare to get to and from now so transport will have to improve.

The Local Football club in Dublin had a prize of tickets and travel to Man Utd as a prize. Anyhow a colleague won. They stayed in a Hotel in Liverpool and were driven by small couch to right outside the Ground. After the match, they were able to be picked up just outside the car park and they were back in Liverpool within the hour. Same when I went there, obviously 76,000 is a lot of people to leave any area in the space of an hour but theres no problem except you have to do a lot of walking at O.T. Going by car is just stupid. I walked to O.T. from virtually the city centre, its only a few miles after all.
Think its been said before United can build over the railway, they already have outline permission, the Railway would want payment for their Airspace. Aparently United own many of the houses behind the railway line.
Think its only a matter of 4-5 years of full houses signs and it will happen, maybe not to 96,000 but easily 84,000 without overhanging the railway. Probably cost over 100million Pounds.

[TheFly]

Originally Posted by MikeD

Not discounting what has been said with regards to the investment, but both Gillett and Hicks have stated that the comittment we be 'multi-generational' from both families. Foster Gillett (GG's son) will be assuming an executive role on the board from August 1st, his family is moving with him to England.

Yes they will be looking for ROI, but not necessarily in the short / medium term.

I'm sure they are looking for a return, that's why they invested. The Glazers have also made a `multi-generational' committment. Nothing new there, just what you would expect from meglo-maniac billionare owners and there offspring....MiniMe?

Only time will tell with this one, but for the long-term good of the club does stadium building come before team building....before anyone gets giddy about Torres, with Bellamy and Alonso leaving the net outlay is under £20m this summer, with a £20m+ increase in TV money. Including previous years, allowances, this must be the lowest net (when the increased revenues are considered) outlay in many a year?

Don't believe the hype, just the actions. The stadium after all was already planned before these boys took over, the only thing they have promised was a redesign and allowance for capacity increase. Not a real penny spent there then?

With the spending of Chelsea and United will the stadium spend mean Liverpool will be a number of years from affording a squad to win the league....not doubting Rafa's tactical nouse to win cup comps.

[london lad]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ol/6517517.stm


Liverpool submit new stadium plan
Artists impression of inside of proposed new Liverpool FC stadium
The stadiums plans are set to become a reality
Liverpool have submitted plans for their new stadium at Stanley Park to the city council and hope to begin work by the end of the year.

The proposal sets out a timetable for construction of the arena, which could cost £280m and has a 60,000 capacity.

A planning application is scheduled for 25 July and the stadium has potential for expansion to accommodate 80,000 fans, reports the Liverpool Echo.

Liverpool hope to receive permission by October and start work before 2008.

New Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks said recently: "The design is now final. It's spectacular and I can't wait for everybody to see it.

"I think our fans will love it. It's very creative architecture, very contemporary but also unique to Liverpool.

"It is all centred around the Kop - it will be the symphony stage that plays to the symphony hall."

[london lad]

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0...name_page.html

THE ECHO can today reveal the detailed timetable to deliver Liverpool FC’s new stadium.

Anfield officials have delivered precise plans to the city council which would lead to work starting in Stanley Park by the end of the year.

Despite calling back the bulldozers who were due to start work in May, the club is confident the 60,000-capacity stadium will still be ready for the start of the 2010 season.

The £280m project’s new timescale was revealed today as city officials waited for the club to unveil its redrawn proposals for New Anfield.


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Reds’ owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks decided to go back to the drawing board after buying the club to see if stadium capacity could be increased beyond 60,000.

As revealed in Monday’s ECHO, the American owners intend to retain the original capacity, but redesign it significantly so it can be expanded later.

Now Liverpool council is being given a firm timescale which the club hopes to stick to. It would mean:

A planning application being lodged on July 25.

The council granting planning permission by the end of October.

Government officials agreeing not to intervene by the end of November.

Work starting at the end of the year.

Councillors will also be asked to agree a 999-year lease for the site to new company Stadco, which is being set up by Liverpool to develop the ground.

The club would have to pay rent of £300,000 a year.

Plans to refurbish the rest of Stanley Park have not changed, although a proposal to convert the Isla Gladstone conservatory into a facility similar to Sefton Park’s palm house has now emerged.

Cllr Berni Turner, executive member for the environment, said: “We are thinking about something like a cafe bar, which would be available for weddings, funerals and bar mitzvahs.”

Rent money received from Liverpool, along with £350,000 a year from the council’s own budget, will be used to maintain the park and conservatory for years to come.

The plans will be discussed by councillors at a meeting next week.



The timetable

JULY 25 , 2007 – this is the date that Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks says the revised plans will be submitted to Liverpool council, a month later than originally planned.

OCTOBER 2007 – the council will then face a race against time to re-examine the proposals and decide whether to grant planning perm-ission. To meet this deadline, the club will have to make sure the scheme is not dramat-ically different to its predecessor in terms of capacity and impact on the surrounding area. The original scheme was approved in summer 2004.

NOVEMBER 2007 – possibly the most crucial date. The government office for the north west will have to decide whether Liverpool’s plans should be “called in” for further investigation, sparking a public inquiry. This would delay the scheme by several months.

Park revamp still on

LIVERPOOL council insisted the stadium review would not affect plans to refurbish the rest of Stanley Park.


Regardless of any changes to the new ground, it will still contain a community centre. Talks continue about providing extra facilities elsewhere in north Liverpool.

Anfield Plaza, a new district centre of shops, restaurants and homes, will be created on the current stadium site, possibly with the pitch as a centrepiece.

A 24-hour security service, including CCTV, will be set up around the stadium, integrated within a surveillance proposal for the park and Gladstone conservatory.

Improvements to pavements, roads, pedestrian crossings and coach parking are planned, while new park-and-ride sites will be set up and the matchday residents-only parking zone expanded.

Seven-year struggle for new Anfield

June 2000: Plans for 70,000-seater stadium unveiled.

October 2003: Planning application for £80m, 60,000-seater stadium submitted.

July 2004: Permission given.

August 2004: John Prescott agrees not to call in plan.

January 2005: Shared stadium talks collapse.

March 2005: Stadium costs estimated at £120m.

July 2006: Liverpool insist they can afford their share of the now-£190m project.

September 2006: £9m European grant agreed.

February 2007: George Gillett and Tom Hicks take over – work to start within 60 days.

March 2007: Owners discuss increasing capacity with planners.

April 2007: Shared stadium idea finally killed. Work due to start in May.

July 2007: Hicks says new planning application for redesigned 60,000-seater stadium will be submitted at end of month.

Plans for a northern palm house

EXCITING plans could see an historic north Liverpool building turned into the area’s version of the Sefton Park palm house.

The derelict Isla Gladstone conservatory could be restored to its former glory as part of the renovation of Stanley Park.

Council officials have asked experts to draw up a detailed proposal to use the grade II-listed structure as a catering facility.

It could then be leased and run as a commercial enterprise.

The conservatory was designed by Edinburgh firm Mackenzie and Moncur and opened in 1899, 29 years after Stanley Park was created.

[london lad]

http://goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=358321


Exclusive: New Liverpool Stadium Design 'Truly Revolutionary' Although the stadium plans for Liverpool’s new ground are not due to be unveiled until next week, Goal.com can exclusively reveal that the original plans have been completely overhauled, and a firm of American architects has delivered a design that is truly revolutionary.
Exclusive: New Liverpool Stadium Design 'Truly Revolutionary'
zoom - galleria

Sources close to Goal.com have told us that the pitch at the new Stanley Park stadium will be below ground level - and that the most striking element of the stadium will be a huge glass structure featuring a massive club crest that is truly iconic.

It had earlier been reported that the plans have been submitted and will now need to be passed for approval by the city’s council before work can begin.

The Liverpool Echo had reported that the proposed stadium will hold 60,000 fans and cost around £270 million to build, with work starting before the beginning of 2008.

The paper added that there could be the facility to expand capacity to 80,000 in the future.

The atmosphere created at Liverpool's existing Anfield ground (pictured) is world famous - something that the new Liverpool co-owners are keeping in mind with the new stadium design, having said recently that that it will all be "centred around the Kop" - which will be "the symphony stage that plays to the symphony hall."

[MikeD]

Liverpool Football Club will be revealing their stunning new plans for a brand new Anfield this week

The groundbreaking plans, designed by American architects HKS, will be submitted to Liverpool City Council for planning consent on Wednesday before fans get their first glimpse of the proposed new arena.

Look out for the first pictures plus interviews with Rick Parry, Rafael Benitez and a number of first team players on Wednesday July 25 on Liverpoolfc.tv.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/newstadium/

[Peyre]

wahey, confirmation!

[Durbsboi]

finally!

[Monkey]

So it's inveiled today - but what time?

[Paul D]

Originally Posted by Monkey

So it's inveiled today - but what time?

No it's unveiled on Wednesday Monkey.

[Monkey]

^ Oh whoops - I thought it was Wednesday already. How blonde of me....

[MikeD]

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drill...70724-2303.htm

11AM: NEW STADIUM PLANS REVEALED
Paul Eaton 24 July 2007

Liverpool Football Club will reveal plans for their stunning new stadium at 11am on Wednesday morning and you'll be able to see the images first on liverpoolfc.tv.
American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett, in conjunction with architects HKS, have radically redisigned the original plans for the Stanley Park ground and the planning application for a brand new 60,000 seater stadium will be submitted to Liverpool City Council today.

Selected images of the new stadium will be available to view on liverpoolfc.tv from 11am when we'll also be bringing you an exclusive interview with Chief Executive Rick Parry as well as the views of manager Rafael Benitez, Steven Gerrard, Jamie Carragher and Xabi Alonso.

[Durbsboi]

nice avatar Mike

[Noostairz]