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Old February 25th, 2006, 02:28 AM   #81
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"?

The point being Northern Ireland is seperate to the United Kingdom and not actually part of it.
No no, it's part of it, population of it counts towards the UK total, as does the economy ect...
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Old February 25th, 2006, 03:02 AM   #82
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I guess that moscow has more height, but london has better designs.. but i guess that london will not overcome frankfurt, moscow, paris, and.. maybe madrid, who knows! All cities have great projects, proposed or u/c, so god knows.

Anyway, i like too much london's 2012 skyline
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Old February 25th, 2006, 06:05 AM   #83
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No offence intended to Moscow at all here, and I really do mean that, cus i'm sure Moscow is a great city and these new skyscrapers will make it even better, BUT, they could built a thousand skyscrapers in Moscow and it still would not be on the same level as London. And I agree with you Weird, Moscow may have the quantity at the moment, but London has the quality, plus Moscow is going through its construction boom now, and London will have one in a few years...well it is already counstructing quite a few low to mid to one or two high rise towers at the moment, and we aint even in a construction boom...

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Old February 25th, 2006, 05:08 PM   #84
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There are only actually 4 skyscrapers approved or proposed in Manchester. Actually there are only 3 as Quay point tower is in pre-planning. A skyscraper starts at around about the 150m mark. The closest one after Beetham is the 130m Crown building. So I don't count anything under about 150m as skyscrapers and I don't count something from one place as being in another. Just because a tower will appear on the manc skyline doesn't mean it is in Manchester.
Newcastle Kid , you parochial little prat! Your comments are way off the mark, It's obvious your knowledge regarding the great city of Manchester stretches no more than a few internet searches. The only thing that seperates Manchester from Salford is a river, culturally and spiritually they are all part of Manchester. The fact your thread and information are flawed with mistakes is no surprise. Please get your info up to date regarding Manchester, if you need to know what's going on in our great city just ask!
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Old February 25th, 2006, 05:27 PM   #85
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Newcastle Kid , you parochial little prat! Your comments are way off the mark, It's obvious your knowledge regarding the great city of Manchester stretches no more than a few internet searches. The only thing that seperates Manchester from Salford is a river, culturally and spiritually they are all part of Manchester. The fact your thread and information are flawed with mistakes is no surprise. Please get your info up to date regarding Manchester, if you need to know what's going on in our great city just ask!
So I may be wrong, that doesnt give you the right to call me a parochial little prat.
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Old February 25th, 2006, 07:58 PM   #86
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ok you two, calm the hell down right now or you'll be getting no chocolate pudding after your dinner!

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Old February 26th, 2006, 08:42 AM   #88
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I can't help but think that Moscow is starting to look like a property bubble and we all know what happens to bubbles.
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Old February 26th, 2006, 09:27 AM   #89
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London hi-rises are stylish, but they are constructed within the city proper. London has its own atmosphere with historical monuments, red brick buildings, royal palaces and eventually it will all be sacrificed in the middle of skyscrapers. A financial development area in the suburbs could save the city of London, and yet let London take its share from the skyscraper boom in the world. It's not a bad idea to have smt like la Defense in Paris
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It's not a bad idea to have smt like la Defense in Paris
or like Canary Wharf, perhaps?
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Old February 26th, 2006, 02:59 PM   #91
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London hi-rises are stylish, but they are constructed within the city proper. London has its own atmosphere with historical monuments, red brick buildings, royal palaces and eventually it will all be sacrificed in the middle of skyscrapers.
No historical monuments are being sacrificed by London's skyscrapers. London is massive and the financial part of it is just one area in the mass expanse of the city that contains historical and royal palaces. But even when this does occur the skyscrapers are enhancing the view - Swiss Re and the future Shard will enahnce the beaurty of the Tower of London and Tower Bridge.

It's these juxtapositioning of architectural gems next to each other that makes London what it is.
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Old February 26th, 2006, 03:26 PM   #92
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Old February 26th, 2006, 04:13 PM   #93
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How many projects are going on right now in London?
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Old February 26th, 2006, 08:06 PM   #94
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How many projects are going on right now in London?
What do you mean by projects, cus London has many 'projects' going on or proposed at the moment, not neccessarily skyscrapers, for instance there are lots of regeneration projects going on in the somewhat degraded areas of London that are fantastic, and plenty of new modern low and mid-rises are also being constructed. But if ure talking about skyscrapers, then to get a full idea of all the skyscrapers going up in London, I advise you to check out the London 2012 thread:

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Here is an incomplete list of skyscraper projects, but this does not include those from 100-149m projects, which I would also count as skyscrapers. Much thanx to WjFox for creating the list, although it is incomplete I think, so if someone has an updated list, post it:

London skyscrapers 150m+

Green = Completed
Blue = Proposed/Approved
Red = Under Construction




Bishopsgate Tower 307m
London Bridge Tower 306m
Columbus Tower 237m

1 Canada Square 235m
122 Leadenhall 225m
Minerva 217m + 30m spire

North Quay 1 216m
Beetham Tower 215m
Riverside South 1 214m
Heron Quays West 1 214m
North Quay 3 203m

Heron Tower (110 Bishopsgate) 202m + 40m spire
8 Canada Square (HSBC Global Headquarters) 200m
25 Canada Square (Citigroup Centre) 200m

Riverside South 2 189m
BT Tower 188m
Tower 42 (formerly known as the NatWest Tower) 183m
St George's Wharf (Vauxhall Tower) 181m

Suffolk House 180m
Vauxhall Bondway Tower 180m

SwissRe ("The Gherkin") 180m

Wilkinson Eyre Tower 176m
Stratford City Tower 170m

Broadgate Tower 164m

Grand Union Building 158m including spire
1 Churchill Place 156m
Heron Quays West 2 156m
25 Bank Street 153m
40 Bank Street 153m
10 Upper Bank Street 151m

Pan Peninsula Tower 147m



To respond to all these people who say 'I think London is ruining its city, its tearing down historical buildings to try and transform itself into a modern city, stick to low buildings' < I hear comments like these all the time, and it always pisses me off! For one thing, London isn't tearing down any of its historical buildings to make way for skyscrapers! Most of the current skyscrapers are located at Canary Wharf, which was once an industrial wasteland with nothing of value, and now is a bustling business district with some fantastic skyscrapers, mid-rise buildings and a growing skyline.
And the 'City' district has plenty of old 60's blocks that arn't really being used for anything, that can now be used as skyscraper sites. Beleive me, when it comes to preserving historical architecture, there is probably no other city that takes it as seriuosly as London, and if anyone even suggested tearing down St Pauls Cathedral they would be deported from the country faster then you could say Bishopsgate tower! For the last time, London isn't building skyscrapers to try and look modern, it is doing it becasue it has a huge demand for office space, probably more so then any other city in the world!

And London isn't Paris, it isn't trying to be like Paris, or any other city; it is simply London, and London is one of the top 3 cities in the world becasue of its diversity and mixed character. Paris chooses to seperate its history and its future, London chooses to embrace the two together, and the result is a city of extraordinary character and architecture.

It combines both the past, present and future, so that you could walk down a historical London street, admiring the stunning classial architecure of the buildings to either side of you, and see at the end of the street the wonder that is St Pauls cathedral, then you could turn the corner and come face to face with a beautiful moden office building and look up and see Swiss Re.

It is this blend of the old and the new, intertwining with eachother, adapting to every stage is English hsitory, that makes London such a great city!

I hope that will stem more of these crappy 'London isn't suited to skyscraper' comments that get posted by idiots who can't see beond their own keyboard!



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Old February 26th, 2006, 08:13 PM   #95
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Could you please edit your post to remove that link to the 2012 thread (and the rendering too) - my site is overloaded with bandwidth at the moment and can't really take much more...

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Old February 27th, 2006, 04:05 AM   #97
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and also, by building skyscrapers London is going further to preserve its old buildings.....if London stuck to low rise, we would have massive, sprawling groundscrapers to meet office space demand....which would inevitably lead to older buildings being demolished to make way for new, high spec buildings.
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Could you please edit your post to remove that link to the 2012 thread (and the rendering too) - my site is overloaded with bandwidth at the moment and can't really take much more...

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and also, by building skyscrapers London is going further to preserve its old buildings.....if London stuck to low rise, we would have massive, sprawling groundscrapers to meet office space demand....which would inevitably lead to older buildings being demolished to make way for new, high spec buildings.
Exactly, plus we'd probably end up encroaching on greenfield areas (countryside). So all in all, even if building skyscrapers wasn't going to be a good thing for London (It most certainly is a good thing though) they probably wouldn't have much choice anyway, cus when you can't go left, or right, or down, the only way is up!

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Nice skyscrapers, great designs!!
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