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Old February 22nd, 2006, 11:27 PM   #41
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Kaj fali Crotramu??? Koga briga ako su i koristili malo jeftinije materijale (a fakat nije da se baš primijeti) kad je 30% je jeftiniji od zapadnih tramvaja! Pokazali su da znaju napraviti dobar proizvod, ne znam zašto ne bi napravili još jedan.
Mislim na ono što je već i Toma napisao... Završna obrada, spoj prozor - zid, strop i ona klimava vozačeva vrata i sl... Stvari koje se jednostavno mogu poboljšati....
Inače sam i ja oduševljen tramvajem i nisam mogao vjerovati da su ga tako dobro bili napravili, ali s vremenom ipak uočavam sitnice, pogotovo stoga što sam u njemu proveo mnogo sati svog života

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Otkud ti ovo "nemamo 4 godine vremena"?
Pa koliko ja znam novi vlakovi su potrebni odmah jer je situacija s brojem putnika na rubu, ne možemo čekati 4 (ili 3, svejedno) godine za nove vlakove jer se broj putnika stalno povećava, a kapaciteta nema i to sve vodi u jedan kaos...

Ali više mene brine neisplativost razvitka vlaka za proizvodnju njih 18, a za izvoz izgleda nisu sposobni, pogledajte samo na primjer tramvaj - još mu nisu dali ni ime, niti sam igdje uspio nabaviti katalog (koji postoji). O web stranici da ne govorim.

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Well I have to partly agree with snupix... What do economists say? Is it worth to design and produce a completely new train?
And the Crotram... Will those 170 or how many trams for Zagreb cover all design and development costs?

It is OK if it comes cheaper and better for Zagreb, but if it costs more just because the trams/trains are Croatian, that isn't very economical and a bit socialistic.

Enlighten me
The CroTram is actually only one of 4 such low floor trams in production around the world. Therefore Koncar jumped in and developed rather well a product that is not only intended for use in Zagreb but also with the posibility to be exported. Obviously in another year all 70 trams on the Zagreb network will create quite an impression that will no doubt convince other cities in Europe and elsewhere that the CroTram is a reliable and value for money alternative to some of the more pricier tram products which are of the same quality. The CroTram is also intended as an ongoing replacement tram once some of the other non-70 trams reach their replacement time. This tram is also expected to run in other Croatian cities at later dates.

On the issue of the CroTrain. Again this could prove viable but it will take an order of more than 18 train sets to make this viable. Other Croatian cities such as Split, Rijeka etc are expected to establish suburban rail networks at some stage sooner rather than later.

IMO, I'd like to see locally built trains but its not going to fail us if we happen to purchase trains such as the Bombardier Talent for use in Zagreb. But hopefully they'll make a decision soon.


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Old February 23rd, 2006, 12:28 AM   #43
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Well I have to partly agree with snupix... What do economists say? Is it worth to design and produce a completely new train?
And the Crotram... Will those 170 or how many trams for Zagreb cover all design and development costs?

It is OK if it comes cheaper and better for Zagreb, but if it costs more just because the trams/trains are Croatian, that isn't very economical and a bit socialistic.

Enlighten me
they will, only first 70 are at lower cost of 1.6€ million per unit rest are 2.5U$ million per unit which is a real cost of the tram...

PS, Sorry I meant U$, in Kuna trams cost 12 million Kuna or 2 million US, under current deal with city of Zagreb for 70 trams but order for another 100 trams is set to cost city about 254 million U$ or just over 1.5 billion Kuna over 4 year delivery term, mind you this is not final number, I do think Zagreb might order in excess of 250 TMK 2200, sorry NT2200, after all Zagreb intends to replace all but TMK2100 trams with new NT2200 trams, with plans to introduce 4-5 tram lines over next 5 years meaning number of trams will increase substantially, even if Zagreb gets light or full metro system it will still need 250-300 NT2200 trams. 10 Trams per line + attrition and spares...
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 01:29 AM   #44
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MB: "Konačnu odluku donijet će kolege iz gredelja". WTF? Pa Gredelj nije kupac već proizvođač vlakova! Mora da mu je prezentacija udarila u glavu pa nije znao što priča, jadnik.
Maybe he's right in some way. A month ago, workers from Đuro Đaković Specijalna vozila d.d. went on strike because they were promised a contract for 300 wagons that wasn't signed. The contract has been signed shortly after the strike ended. Can HŽ pay for them, it doesn't matter because our government issued a guarantees.
http://www.poslovni.hr/4799.aspx

The problem are a bunch of big socialist companies and their remains. They cannot operate in some free market envoroment so the contracts have to be given to them on false tenders or even without tenders. The same goes for Koncar and Gredelj and so on. Gredelj's modernised passenger cars for HŽ cost almost as much as Gredelj's modernised locomotives for Italian market.

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Ovaj talent mi se sviđa iz vana, bio bi još ljepši u plavoj boji, ali iznutra mi se čini da ima premalo mjesta za stajanje, kao što se vidi na slici. Kao prigradski vlak morao bi ih imati znatno više. Navijam za naše majstore, jer se prethodni bombardierov proizvod (regioswinger) pokazao kao govno.
The seats are shit. RegioSwingers are used up to 250 km distances max in Germany. HŽ's 8 units are the same 8 Deutsche Bahn canceled. The interior was supposed to be different but somebody from HŽ or agency has taken the money HŽ had to pay for the new interior in his pocket.


EDIT: Sorry everybody, this belongs to another thread, to late for that now.
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TMK 2200. Great product, but not yet ready for export. Darinko Bago, Koncar's managing director said not long ago that still many winters and summers have to pass before Crotram goes out. We, who use it are practicly lower kind of people than the foreigners. It will be tested on us before it goes abroad. How many jams have they caused over the past months, anybody counts?

God knows what is going to happen with Koncar group. The remaining share held by the state has to be privatised. Most likely Koncar group will be split apart and every piece, every company will be sold separately. ESOP is considered among other options, but i think the first one i mentioned is most likley to happen.
Electroputere, the similar company from Romania had five or six failed privatisation attempts. Somebody said that it will end up in Guiness book of records because of so many attempts. Last one was cancelled a week or two ago even before the deadline for submiting offers. The government has decided to split it up and sell it seperately.

Gredelj is currently 100 % owned by Croatian Railways. What will happen there god knows.

There is so many things one has to think about, a real shitweb. So many interests, unions, mafia, small thieves, corruption.....
It really is hard to be a good, respectful and successfull politician. Are there any?

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Ali više mene brine neisplativost razvitka vlaka za proizvodnju njih 18, a za izvoz izgleda nisu sposobni, pogledajte samo na primjer tramvaj - još mu nisu dali ni ime, niti sam igdje uspio nabaviti katalog (koji postoji). O web stranici da ne govorim.
potpisujem pogotvo sto si rekao uvezi samo 18 vlakova.... 18 je vise stos nego ista ozbiljno. treba najmanje 70 ili 80. treba da vlakovi vazda dolazu i odlazu, iz svake stanice.
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The CroTram is actually only one of 4 such low floor trams in production around the world. Therefore Koncar jumped in and developed rather well a product that is not only intended for use in Zagreb but also with the posibility to be exported. Obviously in another year all 70 trams on the Zagreb network will create quite an impression that will no doubt convince other cities in Europe and elsewhere that the CroTram is a reliable and value for money alternative to some of the more pricier tram products which are of the same quality. The CroTram is also intended as an ongoing replacement tram once some of the other non-70 trams reach their replacement time. This tram is also expected to run in other Croatian cities at later dates.

On the issue of the CroTrain. Again this could prove viable but it will take an order of more than 18 train sets to make this viable. Other Croatian cities such as Split, Rijeka etc are expected to establish suburban rail networks at some stage sooner rather than later.

IMO, I'd like to see locally built trains but its not going to fail us if we happen to purchase trains such as the Bombardier Talent for use in Zagreb. But hopefully they'll make a decision soon.

in most parts of the western world, the 1000 mm gauge is extremely uncommon. virtually every western european/north american/oceanic country uses 1435 mm gauge. only bavaria, EE, and some cities in turkey and austria use 1000 mm gauge. Even Vienna and Istanbul are on 1435 mm. so only in select cities around the world would the crotram be considered, sadly.
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One thing i don't understand. Why do some people call Bandit, a Milček. It sounds so similar to Milčec, Zvonimir a real Zagrebarian.

Radovi na dovršetku Maksimira počinju za godinu dana
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Učinit ću sve kao prvi čovjek Zagreba da se završi ovaj stadion. Razriješit ću taj gordijski čvor i taj križ koji nosim, a za koji nisam nimalo kriv i koji je najteži u Zagrebu, rekao je Bandić tijekom današnjeg obilaska stadiona


Građevinski radovi na dogradnji i završetku maksimirskog stadiona počet će na proljeće sljedeće godine, a do tada će se odraditi posao na projektnoj studiji, koja mora biti gotova do 1. svibnja.

Posljednja utakmica na maksimirskom ruglu, prije nego što postane ljepotica, trebala bi biti kvalifikacijska utakmica za EP između Hrvatske i Engleske.

Projekt Nijemcima

Posao izrade projektne studije povjeren je njemačkoj tvrtki Alpine Project Consultant GMBH, koja je u javnosti već predstavljena kao strateški partner Grada Zagreba. Nakon izrade projektne studije objavit će se međunarodni natječaj za dodjelu koncesije za upravljanje stadionom. Iako će u gradskoj vladi odbiti svaku vrstu takvih spekulacija, sasvim je jasno da će Alpine Project Cosultant GMBH biti glavni favorit tog natječaja.

Sve ovo smo saznali danas na stadionu Maksimir koji je posjetio zagrebački gradonačelnik. Doznali smo da su pregovori sa spomenutom njemačkom tvrtkom, koja je sudjelovala i u gradnji fascinantne münchenske Arene, još u tijeku, a okončanje se očekuje nakon izrade projektne studije. Glavne točke pregovora su trajanje koncesije i dio financijskog udjela koji bi trebao iscuriti iz gradskog proračuna.

Bandićev gordijski čvor

- Učinit ću sve kao prvi čovjek Zagreba da se završi ovaj stadion - rekao je Milan Bandić i dodao: - Oduvijek sam bio protivnik rušenja da bi se gradilo. Razriješit ću taj gordijski čvor i taj križ koji nosim, a za koji nisam ni malo kriv i koji je najteži u Zagrebu.

U Bandićevu su društvu, među ostalima, bili i dogradonačelnica za društvene djelatnosti Ljiljana Kuhta, te pročelnik za strategiju i razvoj Slavko Dakić. Naglašeno je kako je plan i urediti igralište Dinamove omladinske škole Hitrec Kacijan iza istočne tribine kako bi nogometaši Dinama tijekom radova tamo mogli igrati prvenstvene utakmice. Inače, igralište Hitrec Kacijan ima tribinu koja može primiti do pet tisuća gledatelja, što je često dostatno za utakmice “modrih”. Isto tako, uprava kluba će se preseliti u zapadni dio već sagrađene sjeverne tribine. Tako će Dinamo moći djelovati u Maksimiru bez obzira na gradnju stadiona. Europske utakmice će ipak morati igrati izvan Zagreba.

Od prvotnog projekta arhitekta Branka Kincla dogodilo se dosta promjena, a najnovije su garaža koja će se graditi iza zapadne tribine, a ne ispod terena, a uz to je preprojektirana i južna tribina, te način gradnje krova na stadionu. Po najnovijem projektu stadion bi mogao primiti oko 55 tisuća gledatelja. Neće imati atletsku stazu, ali će se u sklopu SRC Svetice napraviti nova atletska staza, baš kao i rukometna dvorana i bazen. Stadion bi trebao biti dio arhitektonske cjeline koju bi obuhvaćali park Maksimir spojen podvožnjakom sa stadionom, SRC Svetice i dječji zabavni kompleks kod stare tvornice Kraša, popularno zvani “Krašoland”.

Natječaj za koncesionara

Dodatne informacije ponudila nam je dogradonačelnica Ljiljana Kuhta, koja je još jednom pojasnila da će se za dva tjedna potpisati pismo namjere o izradi projektne dokumentacije, te da će se nakon toga putem javnog natječaja doći do partnerstva u kojem bi koncesionar preuzeo upravljanje stadionom.

- Ništa neće ići iz proračuna, makar to značilo i vremensko produženje trajanja koncesije - rekla je Kuhta, a pročelnik za strategiju i razvoj Slavko Dakić dodao: - Stadion u Maksimiru mora postati velika, najveća gradska dvorana. Obaveza koncesionara će biti da puni stadion, vidjeli smo to iz iskustava europskih gradova. To znači da će taj naš potencijalni partner na stadion dovoditi svjetsku elitu, kulturnu, glazbenu i sportsku.

Bandić: Za korupciju je potrebno dvoje, zar ne?

Na pitanje o korupcijskoj aferi njemačke tvrtke koja postaje strateški partner Grada Zagreba na ‘akciji stadion’, Milan Bandić je reagirao dosta burno, ali i razložno, ustvrdivši: - Za korupciju je potrebno dvoje, zar ne? Osim toga, to je stvar njemačkog pravosudnog sistema i nema veze sa Hrvatskom i Zagrebom. U tom slučaju nije korumpirana bila tvrtka, već neki pojedinci koji nisu više u toj tvrtki.
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in most parts of the western world, the 1000 mm gauge is extremely uncommon. virtually every western european/north american/oceanic country uses 1435 mm gauge. only bavaria, EE, and some cities in turkey and austria use 1000 mm gauge. Even Vienna and Istanbul are on 1435 mm. so only in select cities around the world would the crotram be considered, sadly.
So far, yes, but in future if everything goes well, no. Gauge is not an issue, if it will work out great, development of new bogie, transmission, for 1435 shouldn't be a problem. Bigger issue is hidraulic links, junctures (zglobovi). It is the first tram in the world that combines rotational bogies and hidraulic junctures. Only other tram that has ever used hidraulic junctures was some old one decades ago wich hasen't proved to be reliable. Technology has gone forward a lot since, so with the use of modern computers it has a perspective but it first has to prove itself. Foreign market is more sensitive to experiments.
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TMK 2200. Great product, but not yet ready for export. Darinko Bago, Koncar's managing director said not long ago that still many winters and summers have to pass before Crotram goes out. We, who use it are practicly lower kind of people than the foreigners. It will be tested on us before it goes abroad. How many jams have they caused over the past months, anybody counts?

God knows what is going to happen with Koncar group. The remaining share held by the state has to be privatised. Most likely Koncar group will be split apart and every piece, every company will be sold separately. ESOP is considered among other options, but i think the first one i mentioned is most likley to happen.
Electroputere, the similar company from Romania had five or six failed privatisation attempts. Somebody said that it will end up in Guiness book of records because of so many attempts. Last one was cancelled a week or two ago even before the deadline for submiting offers. The government has decided to split it up and sell it seperately.

Gredelj is currently 100 % owned by Croatian Railways. What will happen there god knows.

There is so many things one has to think about, a real shitweb. So many interests, unions, mafia, small thieves, corruption.....
It really is hard to be a good, respectful and successfull politician. Are there any?

Bratislava, Riga and Warsaw are looking at 1 sample to be sent and demonstrated in this respective cities, and this is from this summer, Belgrade has also shown the interest and has requested demonstration of the tram on streets of Belgrade, Sofia as well..

This is latest news about 2-3 weeks old...
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Bratislava, Riga and Warsaw are looking at 1 sample to be sent and demonstrated in this respective cities, and this is from this summer, Belgrade has also shown the interest and has requested demonstration of the tram on streets of Belgrade, Sofia as well..

This is latest news about 2-3 weeks old...
Yes, i know about this, but we will see. I think Bago has a point. Not to get me wrong, by going out and abroad, i ment the actual purchases. Is it OK to sell 70 pieces and the say it first has to be throughfully tested before we export - i.e. sell it abroad it? One thing is to test one of them and another is to buy 70 pieces.
I like it very much and i appriciate they didn't buy Combino. But, well, i and my friends are not a testing cows. At least that is what i think, maybe we are afterall.

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WOW The first apartment complex containing 200 units in the new Zvonimir Centar has been completely sold out in the first day! People queued up from 3am on the morning of the sale with even a number of buyers contesting the same unit. The multi-building Zvonimir Centar will have a total of 700 apartments and is set to be one of the hottest residential addresses in Zagreb once completed. Its relatively close to the new Zagreb CDB construction epicentre.

Centar Zvonimir: Od tri ujutro čekali u redu za kupnju stana
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ZAGREB - Svih 205 stanova prve stambene zgrade u novom stambeno-poslovnom naselju nazvanom Centar Zvonimir, na površini od 30 tisuća četvornih metara, prodano je doslovno u jednom danu.

Naime, građani su 15. veljače, kada su stanovi i službeno pušteni u prodaju, od 3 sata ujutro čekali u prodajnom centru tvrtke Tehnika te su za kupnju jednog stana u prosjeku bila zainteresirana tri kupca.

Tehnika, tvrtka za graditeljstvo, inženjering, proizvodnju i trgovinu, 2004. godine otkupila je parcelu koja je omeđena ulicama Lj. Posavskog, Crvenog križa i produženom Širolinom, Nodilovom i Bogišićevom te Novom Branimirovom, gdje je prije bila uljara. Stambena zgrada Z1 površine šest tisuća četvornih metara u Centru Zvonimir trebala bi biti useljiva u srpnju 2007. godine, ali se u Tehnici nadaju da će i prije roka završiti stanove i tako ugodno iznenaditi svoje klijente.

- Iskreno, nismo ni sanjali da će interes ljudi biti tako velik. Kad smo to jutro došli na posao, vidjeli smo jako puno ljudi koji su čekali u redu, pa smo počeli dijeliti brojeve da svi mogu doći na red. Na žalost, interes je bio takav da neki ljudi jednostavno više nisu imali priliku rezervirati stan - rekli su nam u Tehnici te dodali da su imali osjećaj kao da se nešto dijeli besplatno.

Cijene stanova, ovisno o veličini, kreću se od 1970 do 2070 eura po četvornome metru, a u Tehnici kažu kako bi cijene, da su znali da će potražnja za njihovim stanovima biti tolika, vjerojatno bile puno više.

- Cijeli kompleks imat će 700 stanova, koje će obuhvaćati četiri stambene i jednu poslovnu zgradu, uključujući i rekreacijsku zonu. Gradnju ostalih objekata počet ćemo u drugoj polovici godine - objasnili su u Tehnici i dodali kako su ljudi napokon shvatili da treba obratiti pozornost na uredne papire.

Površina prvih prodanih stanova kreće se od 28 do 110 četvornih metara, a kako saznajemo, u prizemlju prve zgrade predviđen je dječji vrtić, dok su za predzadnji i zadnji kat predviđeni atraktivni dvoetažni stanovi s intimnim krovnim vrtovima većih površina.

- Klijenti su rezervirali stanove, a sada intenzivno radimo ugovore i vidjet ćemo kako će stanovi biti plaćeni - rekli su u tvrtki Tehnika .
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Vlak mora biti četverodijelni, niskopodni i ne duži od 75 metra
Iako će međunarodni natječaj za nabavku 18 niskopodnih vlakova, koji bi najkasnije od 2009. trebali voziti prigradskim prugama, biti raspisan tek sredinom lipnja, među proizvođačima vlakova već sada vlada prava konkurentska borba. Tako je u utorak njemačka tvrtka Bombardier predstavila »talent«, prototip svog novog vlaka za prigradski i međugradski promet, dok je domaći konzorcij, koji čine Tvornica željezničkih vagona Gredelj i Končar Lokomotive, prije mjesec dana predstavio svoju ponudu prigradskoga vlaka. Osim njih, na natječaj će se vjerojatno javiti i ugledni proizvođači vlakova Siemens i Stadler.

Velika zainteresiranost inozemnih tvrtki za zagrebačku prigradsku željeznicu pripisuje se činjenici da Zagreb leži na sjecištu dvaju paneuropskih koridora (5B i X.), te je time strateški vrlo važan svima, budući da ima ogroman gospodarski potencijal i mogućnost daljnjeg razvitka.

Direktora proizvodnje TŽV Gredelj Antuna Fabeka pitali smo može li hrvatska željeznička industrija konkurirati svjetskoj.
»Sigurno može, a to smo dokazali i proizvodnjom niskopodnog tramvaja. Međutim, sigurno je da trenutno ni jedan proizvođač ne ispunjava uvjete Hrvatskih željeznica«,
kaže Fabek. Uvjeti su sljedeći: vlak mora biti četverodijelni, pod vlaka mora biti izjednačen s visinom perona koja će nakon rekonstrukcije, koja je također u HŽ-ovu planu, iznositi 55 centimetra, mora biti niskopodni radi brze izmjene putnika, a zbog dužine postojećih perona vlak ne smije biti duži od 75 metara.
Jedan od uvjeta natječaja na kojemu će Grad posebno inzistirati, bit će što veći udio hrvatskih proizvođača u novim vlakovima. Upravo to Fabek ističe kao najveću prednost domaćeg konzorcija jer on može proizvesti vlak s najmanje 70 posto hrvatskog udjela. »A ako će se neki dio morati razvijati izvan Hrvatske, inzistirat ćemo da i naše tvrtke sudjeluju u tome«, ističe Fabek.
U Gredelju će, kažu, najkasnije do 23. ožujka napraviti tehnički opis vlaka koji će biti predstavljen HŽ-u. Budući da se radi o razvojnom projektu, značajnom za domaće gospodarstvo, sasvim je sigurno da će se izraditi jedan vlak a njegov završetak očekuje se za dvije godine.

Inače, u HŽ-u su svjesni problema koji već godinama prate prigradski željeznički promet. »HŽ ima vrlo dobru suradnju s Gradom te će tako, uz narudžbu 18 elektromotornih vlakova, u 2008. godini započeti i gradnja pruge između Podsuseda i Bregane, a na inzistiranje Grada planirana je i izgradnja drugog kolosijeka između Zagreba i Gorice«, rekao je Davorin Kobak, direktor HŽ-a, u srijedu, na međunarodnoj konferenciji Rail Investement 2006., održanoj u Zagrebu. Dodao je kako se sve to poduzima radi što boljeg povezivanja Zagreba s okolicom i smanjivanja prometnih problemi.

Za ovu godinu HŽ obećava povećanje broja vagona u prigradskom prometu te prilagođivanje voznih redova situaciji na terenu. »U sklopu modernizacije postojećih vlakova do sada smo rekonstruirali šest elektromotornih vlakova, smanjili smo broj mjesta za sjedenje i time smo u svakom vlaku dobili dodatnih 77 stajaćih mjesta«, rekao je za Vjesnik direktor Putničkog prijevoza HŽ-a Stjepan Juretić.

Do 2009. godine uredit će se i svi putnički peroni od Savskog Marofa do Dugog Sela. Kako bi bili spremni za nove vlakove koji će biti duži od sadašnjih, peroni se već preuređuju tako da budu dugi najmanje 160 metara, visoki 55 centimetara te široki najmanje tri metra.
»Ako nemaju čvrsti objekt, sva stajališta morat će imati nadstrešnice, displeje, klupe, kante za otpatke, stalke za bicikle, rampe za invalide i slično«, kaže Juretić.

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»Ako nemaju čvrsti objekt, sva stajališta morat će imati nadstrešnice, displeje, klupe, kante za otpatke, stalke za bicikle, rampe za invalide i slično«, kaže Juretić.
ov je moj najdrazi dio cuti: kako cu sve stanice imati displeje i svakodnevne komoditete
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Meni je uvijek smiješno koje novinari pišu gluposti... 140 km/h. Haha, gdje, kroz Glavni kolodvor?
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ov je moj najdrazi dio cuti: kako cu sve stanice imati displeje i svakodnevne komoditete
Lijepo je za čuti, ali vjerojatno ćemo se i načekati. Da podsjetim, početkom veljače su i na nekim ZETovim stajalištima trebali biti postavljeni displayji i ugrađen GPS u sve tramvaje, ali ja i dalje gledam u onu ploču s natpisom S i samo čekam da mi ona slova počnu žmigati i izmjenjivati se u "stilu displayja", a kad ono ništa, ne miču se
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in most parts of the western world, the 1000 mm gauge is extremely uncommon. virtually every western european/north american/oceanic country uses 1435 mm gauge. only bavaria, EE, and some cities in turkey and austria use 1000 mm gauge. Even Vienna and Istanbul are on 1435 mm. so only in select cities around the world would the crotram be considered, sadly.
1000mm is very common all around Germany, not only Bavaria.

As gwinczlav said, it's not a problem to change the gauge, the biggest thing about it is experimenting with hydraulic junctures
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Na mostu preko rijeke Krapine.

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Na mostu preko rijeke Krapine.


I would prefer a foreign product with certain percentage of parts produced in Croatia. Otherwise it will be 70% Croatian train with 70% parts produced outside if Croatia. Keep in mind that it's not just Bandic's call. World Bank, EIB and IMF are controlling a lot of things in HZ. They will not tolerate pouring more money into undeveloped, unefficient, socialistic companies like Gredelj etc.
It not the question whether they can or not, it is whether it will be justified. When are they going to face the problems. How much money will be pured into such companies. What is happening is just covering their enourmus losses in order to buy social peace.
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Yes, i know about this, but we will see. I think Bago has a point. Not to get me wrong, by going out and abroad, i ment the actual purchases. Is it OK to sell 70 pieces and the say it first has to be throughfully tested before we export - i.e. sell it abroad it? One thing is to test one of them and another is to buy 70 pieces.
I like it very much and i appriciate they didn't buy Combino. But, well, i and my friends are not a testing cows. At least that is what i think, maybe we are afterall.

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Combino's where worst low floor trams, have they stopped the manufacturing of the tram, there are so many issues with the tram, they had to recall nearly all trams they manufactured after cracks in superstructure, connectors and roof where found on spot checks...

There are so many issues with these trams, it is great Zagreb opted for Cro-tram, but I still think there is no need for Cro-train, anyone knows if there is a possibility of manufacture of say Talents in Croatia for Croatian needs, say joint venture or something. If only 18 trains are being ordered at first than there is no need for CroTrain unless there might be even larger order at the later stage...

OK, a question to railways buff, I always thought they had 54 Hungarian Ganz EMU's how come they have shortage, are these trains in such a bad shape, I know that Koncar/Gradelj reconstructed and modernised 6 Ganz sets at cost of 100 million Kuna, why can't they modernise few more say at least 4-5 more... If growth in passenger numbers is gong up as someone pointed in previous posts, than introduction of new trains would be best solution...
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