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Old March 19th, 2007, 01:43 AM   #201
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Old March 19th, 2007, 03:03 AM   #202
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Old March 19th, 2007, 04:11 AM   #203
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Moscow has some awesome projects. Legions 3 and Galaxy look very good. Legions 3 especially looks like a great design for a building that was probably not very expensive.
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 12:09 AM   #204
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a few days old, but good article and project

The Malling of Moscow: Imperial in Size and a View of the Kremlin


A hotel and retail complex planned for historic Moscow, designed by Norman Foster.

By NICOLAI OUROUSSOFF
Published: March 15, 2007
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In architectural terms, few cities have endured more abuse than Moscow has during the last decade or so, from the ruthless demolition of major historic landmarks to the boom in garish faux-historical reproductions. So I suppose the news that Norman Foster, one of the world’s most talented architects, has designed a glorified mall in Moscow shouldn’t seem tragic.

The project will replace one of the most notorious buildings of the Soviet period, the gargantuan 1960s-era Rossiya Hotel, on a critical site overlooking St. Basil’s Cathedral and the Kremlin. A sleek complex of buildings with classical overtones, it will include 470,000 square feet of retail space, four hotels and a 2,500-seat performance hall, making it the largest single development in the historic core of Moscow since the Soviet empire collapsed 15 years ago.

While Mr. Foster’s participation may hearten those who hope to raise the city’s architectural standards, this is clearly not one of his better designs. It lacks the structural flamboyance of his most memorable buildings, and its strange blend of classical and modern elements edges dangerously close to parody — the kind of generic soft-core historicism we see so often in large-scale developments in cities striving to enter the global marketplace. It is a sanitized view of the ferocious architectural clashes that shaped this city for centuries and made such a haunting apparition.

The demolition of the Rossiya was also part of a cleansing process. I’ll admit that its hulking concrete-and-glass shell was hardly a shining example of 1960s architecture. Having stayed there as a student in the ’70s, I vaguely recall its labyrinthine corridors, the cockroaches, the threadbare rooms legendarily littered with bugging devices. But from the perspective of 2007, it had a refreshing, unadorned directness. And its destruction must be understood as part of a broader effort to erase the memory of seven decades of Soviet rule.

The Moscow Hotel, a major landmark from the Stalinist era, is gone. Buildings from the late 1920s, like Moisei Ginzburg’s Narkomfin Housing and Konstantin Melnikov’s workers’ clubs, among the most influential works of the 20th century, are in ruins. More often than not, this history is being replaced with a theme-park version of pre-Revolutionary Russia that glosses over Moscow’s real history.

Although Mr. Foster’s design never quite descends to this level, its bland slickness is disturbing in its own way. The biggest strength of this project is as an urban plan. Mr. Foster begins by restoring portions of the historic street grid removed when the Rossiya Hotel was built, which is a reasonable enough approach.

Two major pedestrian streets are then cut diagonally through the site. The main one runs from the edge of the Moscow River toward St. Basil’s Cathedral, with its brightly colored onion domes, and Red Square. A second is set on an axis with the distant dome of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior and the local metro station, another Stalinist landmark.

The crisscrossing streets divide the site into irregular parcels with a triangular plaza at the center that is the heart of the new complex. By using the street grid to frame views of nearby monuments, Mr. Foster forges a powerful visual relationship with the surrounding city, orienting you within a historical narrative that stretches from medieval Russia through the Soviet era to the present.

The view of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, a gaudy fake that sums up the new Moscow, is the culmination of that history. Stalin blew up the original church in the 1930s to make way for the Palace of the Soviets, but it was never completed, and Khrushchev had one of the world’s largest outdoor swimming pools built there. After the fall of the Soviet Union, the pool was torn up too, and the church was rebuilt as an ersatz version of the original, rising atop a multistory garage.

The site’s context demands a powerful statement about the present. But the individual buildings Mr. Foster has designed fail us. Although still nothing more than sketches, they are adorned with a bizarre blend of historical references. Their forms are essentially traditional courtyard blocks with street-level shops connected by a series of covered porticoes. The exterior of the performance hall is lined with arcades. And the complex sits atop a vast underground mall whose internal corridors reflect the street grid above.

The ceremonial axis is straight out of Haussmann’s Paris. The porticoes evoke the Rue de Rivoli. The arcaded facades vaguely conjure the stripped-down classicism of the E.U.R. quarter in Rome, a pinnacle of Fascist architecture. (There are no onion domes in the scheme, but Mr. Foster could never have lived that down with his colleagues.)

Mr. Foster is known as an architect who is more than willing to appease big corporate clients. His best buildings have been designed for people longing for something fresh. In this case his client is the Russian developer S.T.T. While he doubtless must placate Muscovites who want to obliterate bad memories, what he ends up with is a vague nostalgia, even if his project is unquestionably superior to the postmodernist nonsense that was rising all over Moscow in the 1990s.

But let’s try to be optimistic. In some ways the plan can be seen as a positive turning point. Only a few years ago it seemed that Moscow was in the throes of a building boom that was so violent and corrupt that it appeared certain that swaths of precious history would be erased. Since then, some patrons have emerged to ensure that a handful of threatened Soviet landmarks are being restored.

Mr. Foster’s megacomplex could be viewed as a step toward enlightenment, a tentative, somewhat mediocre design that at least tackles the challenge of serious planning in one of the world’s most intriguing cities. What we’re still waiting for is the architecture.


The 1960s-era Rossiya Hotel in Moscow, above left, was razed to make way for a development that visually connects with Russian landmarks.
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 01:03 AM   #205
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Finally they'll destroy this concrete monster, that building complex was just awful
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 05:48 AM   #206
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It's already demolished. But Foster's version is much worse. It's hideous and looks out of place.
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 06:39 AM   #207
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Oh my! That thing is disgusting
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 08:19 AM   #208
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what should go there then?
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what should go there then?
There is a proposed plan to rebuild the area with more of a classical style district, like such.



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Old March 23rd, 2007, 01:16 AM   #210
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^there was many proposals. this one was also very bad. too much of open space and badly designed (wrong style).
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Old March 23rd, 2007, 06:05 AM   #211
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It's already demolished. But Foster's version is much worse. It's hideous and looks out of place.
I don't think so coth, Foster's project is pretty nice vision for this place,
the buildings merge very well with surrounding architecture
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Old March 24th, 2007, 11:35 PM   #212
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^there was many proposals. this one was also very bad. too much of open space and badly designed (wrong style).
I actually like it.
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Old March 24th, 2007, 11:42 PM   #213
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coth doesn't like open space, I do
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Old March 25th, 2007, 01:40 AM   #214
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fake history, your right that does look cool
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Old March 25th, 2007, 04:26 AM   #216
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Old March 25th, 2007, 03:17 PM   #217
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Old March 26th, 2007, 03:40 AM   #218
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That's right GERR_LIND, we have to be tolerant but in this case when somebody, without a reason, starts to roll on your country you can let yourself to kick such asses out of the forum, guess it's time to drop a nuclear bomb on this damn polish nazi, who still cannot calm down and continue to lick American ass, all they can do just to blame everybody in the world in their problems.
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That's right GERR_LIND, we have to be tolerant but in this case when somebody, without a reason, starts to roll on your country you can let yourself to kick such asses out of the forum, guess it's time to drop a nuclear bomb on this damn polish nazi, who still cannot calm down and continue to lick American ass, all they can do just to blame everybody in the world in their problems.
Nice humor =)
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