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Old February 21st, 2006, 06:15 AM   #1
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South Korea Air Force Shoots Down 112-Storey Skyscraper Plan

S.Korea Air Force shoots down Lotte skyscraper plan

SEOUL, Feb 20 (Reuters) - South Korea's Air Force said on Monday it will not permit construction of what would have been the country's tallest building because the proposed 555-metre (1,820-foot) structure could interfere with flight routes.

Lotte Group has been looking to build a 112-storey structure as part of the expansion of an area near its amusement park in Seoul called Lotte World. Currently the tallest building in South Korea is 63 storeys high.

"We do not think it is appropriate to construct the building, because the plan cannot ensure the safety of flights," the Air Force said in a statement.

The Air Force said the skyscraper had been proposed for a zone where height limits would bar such a tall structure.

In 1994, Lotte proposed expanding development around the amusement park, which stands near the main stadium used in the 1988 Seoul Olympics.

In October 2004 it proposed building a skyscraper housing a hotel, stores, business areas and a cultural centre. Lotte has already begun construction on the foundations.

"We cannot accept the Air Force's assertions because the skyscraper will be located outside the flight-restriction zone," Kim Myung-soo, vice president of a Lotte-affiliated company, told local broadcaster YTN.
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Old February 21st, 2006, 05:02 PM   #2
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Thats unfortunate, I share the frustration, the CAA (Civil aviation authority) help scrap our aims to become a hgih-rise metropolis and limited Birmingham to towers beign now taller then 40 storeys or 800ft after september 11th.

Luckily they have relaxed a bit since then, and we should see our new tallest revealed in the next few weeks.

Hopefully the same will happen with this.
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Old February 21st, 2006, 09:23 PM   #3
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If it was the Eiffel Tower rip-off then it isn't too bad.



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Old February 21st, 2006, 10:43 PM   #4
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Old February 24th, 2006, 12:24 PM   #5
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bye bye paris!!

or instead, they could make it smaller...
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Old February 24th, 2006, 12:44 PM   #6
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Sounds like proposing supertalls is the national sport in South Korea, how about building one already :-)
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Old February 25th, 2006, 07:08 AM   #7
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Sounds like proposing supertalls is the national sport in South Korea, how about building one already :-)
Just wait coming 4 years ( by 2010)
You will see many of them, not one

By the way, most korean don't like supertalls unlike many of forumers here in SCC
That means IT IS VERY HARD AND DIFFICULT TO BUILD SUPERTALLS IN SOUTH KOREA

Instead, there are many supertalls to be constructed by South Korean companies abroad.
For example, one of petronas twin towers in Kualalumpur constructed by korean company
and Burj Dubai is constructing by korean company(SAMSUNG CO.)

Now, it is high time to build supertalls in South Korea.
That's the reason why so many supertall projects in South Korea

Everything is hard at the beginning
In the end, our all efforts will have come to fruition
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Old February 25th, 2006, 07:13 AM   #8
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By the way, most korean don't like supertalls unlike many of forumers here in SCC
Why is that?
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Old February 25th, 2006, 07:18 AM   #9
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I guess no IBC as well then? But then I guess that tower has been dead for a long time.
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Old February 25th, 2006, 08:23 AM   #10
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Why is that?
OK, I tell you how Tower palace(265m) was born, facilitate the understanding of korean supertall's situation
It represents how difficult it was to build supertall in South korea very well.

SAMSUNG, Korean company, planned to build 102 floors in Dogok-dong, Seoul, in 1997.
But most korean(especially, local residents, environmental and citizens' groups ) were in opposition and started movement against it severely.
The plan failed after all and built Tower Palace instead.

According to the original plan,SAMSUNG 102floors H/Q, 450m, designed by SOM, 1997



Amended plan, Tower Palace, 265m
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Old February 25th, 2006, 08:42 AM   #11
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Why is that?
In addition, Korea, in actual fact, is in special military situation unlike many peaceful contries on this planet
TRUCE WITH NORTH KOREA!(it means the war is not ended until now).

Also, there are many sky restrictions for preserving cultural heritages(es, we can't build over 160m building old downtown area(around five korean palaces), and green belts etc.
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Old February 25th, 2006, 09:06 AM   #12
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I guess no IBC as well then? But then I guess that tower has been dead for a long time.
Actually, IBC is not dead right now.
Seoul city government refused all 3 bidders which tried to expand too much residential space in IBC for making good profit

Seoul city government is still looking for appropriate bidder.
There is coming public tender in this year soon.

Fortuately,there are hopeful movement of consortium that many korean companies are working togather for this big project

No one is 100% sure that IBC will turned out be successful
But there are still positive sign of it right now

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Old February 25th, 2006, 09:20 AM   #13
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S.Korea Air Force shoots down Lotte skyscraper plan

SEOUL, Feb 20 (Reuters) - South Korea's Air Force said on Monday it will not permit construction of what would have been the country's tallest building because the proposed 555-metre (1,820-foot) structure could interfere with flight routes.

Lotte Group has been looking to build a 112-storey structure as part of the expansion of an area near its amusement park in Seoul called Lotte World. Currently the tallest building in South Korea is 63 storeys high.

"We do not think it is appropriate to construct the building, because the plan cannot ensure the safety of flights," the Air Force said in a statement.

The Air Force said the skyscraper had been proposed for a zone where height limits would bar such a tall structure.

In 1994, Lotte proposed expanding development around the amusement park, which stands near the main stadium used in the 1988 Seoul Olympics.

In October 2004 it proposed building a skyscraper housing a hotel, stores, business areas and a cultural centre. Lotte has already begun construction on the foundations.

"We cannot accept the Air Force's assertions because the skyscraper will be located outside the flight-restriction zone," Kim Myung-soo, vice president of a Lotte-affiliated company, told local broadcaster YTN.

This was the situation of 20/February/2006

Now Lotte won the approval, after 10 years long afforts(the situation of 22/February/2006, two days later)



past thread about this
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Old February 26th, 2006, 05:24 AM   #14
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In addition, Korea, in actual fact, is in special military situation unlike many peaceful contries on this planet
TRUCE WITH NORTH KOREA!(it means the war is not ended until now).

Also, there are many sky restrictions for preserving cultural heritages(es, we can't build over 160m building old downtown area(around five korean palaces), and green belts etc.
Right, I can understand the height restrictions around Palaces in Seoul, and militarily because it's so close to the DMZ, not to mention Gimpo Airport is still in use.

But what about Busan? They're way down in the Southeast, I don't see why height restrictions would stop them there. I also remember hearing about a plan to move South Korea's capital to a new masterplaned city in the center of the country. Was part of the reasoning behind this so they could build taller? Seoul looks packed to the brim to me.
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Old February 26th, 2006, 04:17 PM   #15
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Korean style indeed, cool though.
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Old February 26th, 2006, 04:25 PM   #16
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This was the situation of 20/February/2006

Now Lotte won the approval, after 10 years long afforts(the situation of 22/February/2006, two days later)



past thread about this
So this huge tower is a go, then?
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Old March 4th, 2006, 08:43 AM   #17
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Central Government, Seoul City Lock Horns Over Lotte's Skyscraper Plan
2 March 2006
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By Jung Sung-ki

The central government and the Seoul metropolitan administration are in a collision course over a thorny issue regarding Lotte Group's skyscraper plan.

The long-standing squabble erupted again when the Seoul metropolitan government gave the green light on Feb. 22 to Lotte's controversial project to build a 112-story amusement park in Chamsil, southern Seoul, while the Air Force vehemently opposed it due to flight safety concerns.

Apparently in favor of the conglomerate, the city administration's urban planning committee said it found no legal grounds to force Lotte to lower the height of the tower under the current law.

Lotte initiated the $1-billion project to construct the tower, which is 1,820 feet (555 meters) high, in the early 1990s in one of the most thriving towns in Chamsil, southern Seoul.

However, the military and related government agencies, including the Ministry of Construction and Transportation, are concerned with the plan.

They said it could lead to a potential ``air disaster,'' as the building's height is beyond the safety flight zone of 666 feet for a ``blind flight.'' (A blind flight occurs when pilots fly on instruments if their vision is obscured by bad weather or in an emergency situation.)

During a press briefing on Tuesday, Defense Minister Yoon Kwang-ung expressed strong objections to Seoul City's decision, urging the local government and Lotte to review the amusement park plan.

``Since the inauguration of the Roh Moo-hyun administration, we, the military, have made many concessions to protect people's property rights, including the massive removal of military protection zones,'' Yoon said.

``But we cannot and will not compromise on the matter this time, as it is directly related to public safety. If a fatal accident happens, whom do you think the people will blame and hold responsible? It will be the central government and military,'' he stressed.

The minister called on the municipal government and Lotte to accept its proposal to carry out a joint investigation of the security problem concerning the building project.

He cited the international air safety regulations adopted by the U.S. Federal Aviation Authority (FAA) which concluded that the project is highly vulnerable to the possibility of aircraft flown on instruments crashing into the high-rise building.

Yoon described the construction of the amusement park in the safety control space of Seoul Airport in Songnam, south of Seoul, as a major security concern, noting that the South Korean president and foreign heads of state visit the country through the military airport.

Lotte, however, has argued that the central government's push to disrupt its skyscraper plan absolutely infringes upon individual's property rights.

``We can't accept the demand, although we can consider minor design changes in the construction plan as advised by the FAA,'' a Lotte executive said on condition of anonymity.

Air Force officers said they are considering taking the issue to the Office for Government Policy Coordination to seek administrative arbitration and means of making it a court issue.
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Old March 5th, 2006, 12:07 AM   #18
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This is so sad!
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Old March 6th, 2006, 11:03 AM   #19
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So they said they were going to build it, then the plan was shot down, then they started building the foundation, then it was shot down again, then it started building again ?

Is it typical for a skyscraper to take 20 years to build in South korea ?
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I guess no IBC as well then? But then I guess that tower has been dead for a long time.
It's currently in the proccess of selecting a bidder who's to develop(i.e. build the tower) the given patch of land. In the last bid last year, all the bidders were rejected.
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