Port Salford

[URBANISER]

Germany and France also have twice the mileage of motorways and duel c's per head of population in comparison with the UK. We actually have the lowest mileage PHOPop in Europe i believe. Is it any wonder we have a traffic problem given the facts. Gov wants us to switch to P transport, a 5% switch = a 50% increase in PT numbers!

[gd]

Germany is indeed a similar size to the UK (still bigger though) but the population is spread out more evenly so we're still back to the original argument.

Now, If you had a quoted the Netherlands with a similar population per square mile to England and a great scheme there..i begin to sit up a notice!

[Isaac Newell]

Would it be a canalside wharf or would they dig a dock.

[Boards]

Even in densly populated areas of france (such as paris) still have relatively little road traffic compared to Manchester (and paris has a FAR bigger population).


Have you ever driven into Paris! I wouldn't agree with that statement.

By the way I think it would be great if Salford became a genuine functioning port again.

[URBANISER]

The problem with UK transport infastructure may eventually lead to an economic polorisation of the North. If continental cities including London because of its geograpical position close to the European mainland continue to improve links and speed of connection between cities, the North will lose its appeal in the battle to attract international business. Speed is the key, IMHO!

[Goldie]

Good old MEN, Peel boss man says "red tape" and MEN faithfully prints "red tape". Cheers for explaining the background and significance of that remark lads...

[Isaac Newell]

Originally Posted by Goldie

Good old MEN, Peel boss man says "red tape" and MEN faithfully prints "red tape". Cheers for explaining the background and significance of that remark lads...

Can you explain what you've gleaned from all the above comments, because I've gleaned nothing.

What red tape ?

[The Longford]

Highways Agency not happy and i believe its next to a SSSI or some such thing. Newts and that!
I got that from another source i may add...not the MEN.

[TheFly]

Yes, perhaps the article should have been headed...

Advertisement Feature

The standard of journalism in the MEN and programmes like the local news wants to make you weep.

No effort, no research, no questioning just pages/stories of inane village féte shite...

So there is red tape holding up a potentially massive regeneration scheme bringing huge job benefits and they can't be arsed to ask any simple questions and bring to account the people responsible for the red tape or to shoot down the Peel man after her utters his tripe.

[TheFly]

Originally Posted by The Longford

Highways Agency not happy and i believe its next to a SSSI or some such thing. Newts and that!
I got that from another source i may add...not the MEN.

What is it with Newts? EVERY freakin SSSI has a rare crested newt or somefink nesting nearby...

HERES THE RUB....

the freaking canal was man-made, some microscopic, slimy, web footed, fly eating lizard appears and the canal is not `fit for purpose'....

bring in the loony brigade, the world (western cus the rest don't give a shit) has gone mad!

[The Longford]

I'm not saying its newts exactly but that area is designated in Salfords UDP as an area of biological importance (what ever that is).
I'm sure some issues surrounding that must be addressed no matter what.
Newts have feelings too you know?

[nerd]

But it seems to be the Highways Agency that are holding things up.

The point about Warrington could be the significant factor - if the existing swing bridges open more often, then there will be local pressure for a high level bridge or three. Since the upper part of the Ship Canal ceased commercial operation, traffic through Stockton Heath has increased enormously.

[The Longford]

Originally Posted by nerd

But it seems to be the Highways Agency that are holding things up.

The point about Warrington could be the significant factor - if the existing swing bridges open more often, then there will be local pressure for a high level bridge or three. Since the upper part of the Ship Canal ceased commercial operation, traffic through Stockton Heath has increased enormously.

It would seem that it is the HA is 'holding things up'*?
Would Peel pay for a new bridge or three?

Its a logistical nightmare involving sooooooo many different agencies and interested parties. Not like t'olden days.


*'addressing concerns' you meant to say didnt you?

[nerd]

Originally Posted by The Longford

It would seem that it is the HA is 'holding things up'*?
Would Peel pay for a new bridge or three?

Its a logistical nightmare involving sooooooo many different agencies and interested parties. Not like t'olden days.


*'addressing concerns' you meant to say didnt you?

Indeed - not to mention that one key interested party (NWDA) has its offices on an island site in Stokcton Heath between the Ship Canal and the Mersey. Employees of NWDA are frequently stuck for half an hour commuting through Stockton Heath.

Of course the Ship Canal has always insisted on maintaining its staturory navigation rights whenever road crossings have been proposed - but it's one thing to concede such rights in theory; but quite another to be faced with continual suspensions of traffic along major commuter routes.

[Isaac Newell]

Originally Posted by nerd

Indeed - not to mention that one key interested party (NWDA) has its offices on an island site in Stokcton Heath between the Ship Canal and the Mersey. Employees of NWDA are frequently stuck for half an hour commuting through Stockton Heath.

Of course the Ship Canal has always insisted on maintaining its staturory navigation rights whenever road crossings have been proposed - but it's one thing to concede such rights in theory; but quite another to be faced with continual suspensions of traffic along major commuter routes.

has no-one ever thought about tunneling under the canal

[The Longford]

That is one of the most beautiful things i have ever seen in my life!
Where do you find these things Isaac? (Thats a rhetorical question - its quite obvious where you get them from!)

[Isaac Newell]

It's the Welland Canal in case it's not that obvious.

[sjwmoore]

Originally Posted by nerd

Indeed - not to mention that one key interested party (NWDA) has its offices on an island site in Stokcton Heath between the Ship Canal and the Mersey. Employees of NWDA are frequently stuck for half an hour commuting through Stockton Heath.

Almost- they are north of the Mersey, Centre Park rather than Stockton Heath which is south of the canal. There are at most 3 movements a day, often less. Yes, its a bit inconvenient but its only 10 minutes from the bells and lights going till the whole thing is over. Worst congestion is caused by people trying to get up to the next crossing before the ship arrives, rather than be patient and wait. I see no future high level bridge- where would the embankments go? The existing one is quite rickety and has a weight limit.
I find that when the weather is good people switch off their engines and get out to have a look at the ship.




Pics of some of the bridges here:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=350367

[WeasteDevil]

Originally Posted by Isaac Newell

has no-one ever thought about tunneling under the canal

Yes, but they have always been viewed as being the more expensive option in comparison to building a bridge.

[skit_uk]

Port Salford

· This is the development of a multi modal freight terminal; to include 2-berth port, rail freight terminal, and 200,000 sq m warehousing.
· The Highways Agency holding direction now extends until 21/05/07, allowing them more time to assess the highway modelling and implications.