CBD NORTH - #COMPLETED: 8 Chifley Square (Goodsell Tower) - 33st/145m/office - Page 4

MILIUX · October 12th, 2006, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CULWULLA

btw, i chatted to a guy today about sydney's low FSR (12;1) and he said there are talks underway by property council to lift the max potential FSR to 15;1 or above. this would add 5-10storeys to any new DAs .bout time. Sydney is running out of sites and we need tall thin towers not short fat ones.

OMG!!!!

Best news i have heard all year!

gazmo · October 13th, 2006, 12:52 AM

Something had to be done - as the CBD will begin to play 2nd fiddle to Brisbane unless something is done soon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CULWULLA

btw, i chatted to a guy today about sydney's low FSR (12;1) and he said there are talks underway by property council to lift the max potential FSR to 15;1 or above. this would add 5-10storeys to any new DAs .bout time. Sydney is running out of sites and we need tall thin towers not short fat ones.

papervagina · October 14th, 2006, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Muse

(BTW vag, I never thought it would look silly - I have no idea. I want to see the final design like the others, I'm sure)

Sorry, it was a poorly worded reply - the part that I agree with you on is that it would be nice for this tower to create a step down from DB to Capita.

CULWULLA · October 19th, 2006, 12:58 AM

o dear.

Cariad · October 19th, 2006, 03:36 AM

To be honest I don't think I mind if they keep Goodsell, it is a simple building and I don't find it too offensive, and if they are going to replace it with a medium density building with a dumb "feature" on top, then I say save it. Hopefully it will spark interest in other sites in the city for redevelopment as we still need some tall buildings in the south of the city.
Look at the positives if they do heritage list all they want then we still have to build somewhere to meet demand and maybe even a glimmer of hope to lift height restrictions, eventually we will run out of space. Could be a good boost for North Sydney, Chatswood, Bondi Junction and maybe even Waterloo/Redfern.

Gargarensis · October 19th, 2006, 08:18 AM

lol i cant believe the guy said, that when the state office block (among other buildings) was destroyed, "what replaced them are inferior works of architecture".

Someone should throw him off the roof of the building that stands there now...

Brizer · October 19th, 2006, 10:32 AM

Yes, I was a bit taken aback at Alex Tzannes saying the State Office Block was replaced by an inferior building, though he is right about the other two buildings. I was regretful that the SOB went but I'd hardly say Aurora Place is inferior. Odd as Mr Tzannes is definitely one of our best architects though his fame is largely in domestic work in which he has created some genuine beauties.

***BrizzyChris*** · October 21st, 2006, 03:04 AM

Thank god Brisbane is not so finnicky about FSR's.

Fabian · October 21st, 2006, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CULWULLA

btw, i chatted to a guy today about sydney's low FSR (12;1) and he said there are talks underway by property council to lift the max potential FSR to 15;1 or above. this would add 5-10storeys to any new DAs .bout time. Sydney is running out of sites and we need tall thin towers not short fat ones.

About time they did. In fact it should be 17:1 like it is for residential developments.

neilo63 · October 21st, 2006, 07:09 AM

Wow, time to start worrying when a recent glass box with hardly any articulation or significant event to happen in it becomes hertigae listed.

papervagina · October 22nd, 2006, 05:48 AM

Which recent glass box are you talking about, neilo63?

MILIUX · October 24th, 2006, 09:41 AM

Check this out:

Maximum Roof Plan heights:
http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/D...811329_006.pdf

"Stage 1 application for the demolition of the existing building known as the 'Goodsell Building' (bound by Elizabeth, Hunter and Phillip Streets) and approval of a maximum building envelope with a height up to 188.8 metres (RL 216.8) at the Hunter and Phillip Street elevations and 190.15 metres (RL 214.5) at Elizabeth Street which will allow for up to 21,738.5sqm of commercial floor space resulting in a FSR of 13.75:1. Retail uses are proposed at street level and parking is proposed for 32 cars and 6 service vehicles within 2 basement levels accessed from Elizabeth Street."

CULWULLA · October 24th, 2006, 12:01 PM

^yep. you can see them on council website.

CULWULLA · January 16th, 2007, 11:56 PM

currently making up lots of block enevlopes for the site. some are interesting. i like the one that compliments Qantas bldg opposite. its a curved bldg (concave) 170m high. also others ranging from 120m and 190m.following goodsells footprint.
goes to CSPC soon for stage 1 approval. this is when they decide its shape/bulk/form/height etc.

Austraarabian · January 17th, 2007, 02:53 AM

Hi, I am new at this, however I was reading through and I thought a DA has already been approved for this site?

CULWULLA · January 17th, 2007, 05:11 AM

^nope. welcome to forums.
stage 1DA should be approved soon. that means just the site envelope. then a stage 2 DA comes in which is what developer want to build. then when that gets approval, a design comp is held and winner is chosen,. then a DA is lodged for that design and after thats approved then work can commence on project.

Cariad · January 17th, 2007, 05:43 AM

Will this process ever be streamlined? It seems like a lot of effort and quite a number of DA's. Surely stage 1 and 2 could be combined, then comp, then approval and then build.

Austraarabian · January 17th, 2007, 06:27 AM

Wow… what a long process!!! Is it like that everywhere or just Sydney. In that case it will take years. How come in dubai, every day something just gets built or in the NY. There are buildings that just keep getting proposed and built. Why Sydney so archaic?

CULWULLA · January 17th, 2007, 07:08 AM

not archaic, just well planned. sydney has a history and heritage bldgs everywhere. Dubai doesnt. Also sun access is important in sydney while in dubai the last thing they wan to worry about is sun acess or shadows.
thus the important process of DA. sydney has many heigth zones, and shadow impact areas. i dont think dubai has any?
As for design comp. its a great idea. that way we dont get dogs of bldgs built. in last 10 years sydney has some really outstanding skyscrapers due to the design comp process. I reckon some of dubai talls would be better designed if there was more time involved with designing process. but having said that,most new towers are well planned.
anyway i could go into detail but havent time now.
cheers

Commerzbank · January 17th, 2007, 08:04 AM

I'm told that, in this case, Mirvac are going to hold a design competition when the Stage 1 DA is thru, hopefully end of Feb.

October 19th, 2006, 12:58 AM	#64
CULWULLA Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 46,864 Likes (Received): 32	o dear. __________________ Sydney Harbour Bridge -1932, Sydney Opera House- 1973, Sydney Tower- 1981, Crown Hotel- 2015..

October 21st, 2006, 07:09 AM	#70
neilo63 NOD Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Brisbane, Posts: 1,191 Likes (Received): 19	Wow, time to start worrying when a recent glass box with hardly any articulation or significant event to happen in it becomes hertigae listed. __________________ Surrounded by mediocre boxes.... Be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful Warren Buffett

October 24th, 2006, 09:41 AM	#72
MILIUX skyscraper connoisseur Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sydney Posts: 5,521 Likes (Received): 25	Check this out: Maximum Roof Plan heights: http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/D...811329_006.pdf "Stage 1 application for the demolition of the existing building known as the 'Goodsell Building' (bound by Elizabeth, Hunter and Phillip Streets) and approval of a maximum building envelope with a height up to 188.8 metres (RL 216.8) at the Hunter and Phillip Street elevations and 190.15 metres (RL 214.5) at Elizabeth Street which will allow for up to 21,738.5sqm of commercial floor space resulting in a FSR of 13.75:1. Retail uses are proposed at street level and parking is proposed for 32 cars and 6 service vehicles within 2 basement levels accessed from Elizabeth Street." __________________ My Flickr V2

October 24th, 2006, 12:01 PM	#73
CULWULLA Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 46,864 Likes (Received): 32	^yep. you can see them on council website. __________________ Sydney Harbour Bridge -1932, Sydney Opera House- 1973, Sydney Tower- 1981, Crown Hotel- 2015..

January 16th, 2007, 11:56 PM	#74
CULWULLA Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 46,864 Likes (Received): 32	currently making up lots of block enevlopes for the site. some are interesting. i like the one that compliments Qantas bldg opposite. its a curved bldg (concave) 170m high. also others ranging from 120m and 190m.following goodsells footprint. goes to CSPC soon for stage 1 approval. this is when they decide its shape/bulk/form/height etc. __________________ Sydney Harbour Bridge -1932, Sydney Opera House- 1973, Sydney Tower- 1981, Crown Hotel- 2015..

October 19th, 2006, 03:36 AM	#65
Cariad Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sydney/Cardiff Posts: 2,729 Likes (Received): 55	To be honest I don't think I mind if they keep Goodsell, it is a simple building and I don't find it too offensive, and if they are going to replace it with a medium density building with a dumb "feature" on top, then I say save it. Hopefully it will spark interest in other sites in the city for redevelopment as we still need some tall buildings in the south of the city. Look at the positives if they do heritage list all they want then we still have to build somewhere to meet demand and maybe even a glimmer of hope to lift height restrictions, eventually we will run out of space. Could be a good boost for North Sydney, Chatswood, Bondi Junction and maybe even Waterloo/Redfern.

October 19th, 2006, 08:18 AM	#66
Gargarensis Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sydney Posts: 806 Likes (Received): 0	lol i cant believe the guy said, that when the state office block (among other buildings) was destroyed, "what replaced them are inferior works of architecture". Someone should throw him off the roof of the building that stands there now...

October 19th, 2006, 10:32 AM	#67
Brizer Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,899 Likes (Received): 137	Yes, I was a bit taken aback at Alex Tzannes saying the State Office Block was replaced by an inferior building, though he is right about the other two buildings. I was regretful that the SOB went but I'd hardly say Aurora Place is inferior. Odd as Mr Tzannes is definitely one of our best architects though his fame is largely in domestic work in which he has created some genuine beauties.

October 21st, 2006, 03:04 AM	#68
*BrizzyChris* Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,033 Likes (Received): 104	Thank god Brisbane is not so finnicky about FSR's.

October 22nd, 2006, 05:48 AM	#71
papervagina spider inside my dreams Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,983	Which recent glass box are you talking about, neilo63?

January 17th, 2007, 02:53 AM	#75
Austraarabian BANNED Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 420 Likes (Received): 0	Hi, I am new at this, however I was reading through and I thought a DA has already been approved for this site?

January 17th, 2007, 05:11 AM	#76
CULWULLA Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 46,864 Likes (Received): 32	^nope. welcome to forums. stage 1DA should be approved soon. that means just the site envelope. then a stage 2 DA comes in which is what developer want to build. then when that gets approval, a design comp is held and winner is chosen,. then a DA is lodged for that design and after thats approved then work can commence on project. __________________ Sydney Harbour Bridge -1932, Sydney Opera House- 1973, Sydney Tower- 1981, Crown Hotel- 2015..

January 17th, 2007, 05:43 AM	#77
Cariad Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sydney/Cardiff Posts: 2,729 Likes (Received): 55	Will this process ever be streamlined? It seems like a lot of effort and quite a number of DA's. Surely stage 1 and 2 could be combined, then comp, then approval and then build. __________________ If Birds of a feather flock together, why do opposites attract?

January 17th, 2007, 06:27 AM	#78
Austraarabian BANNED Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 420 Likes (Received): 0	Wow… what a long process!!! Is it like that everywhere or just Sydney. In that case it will take years. How come in dubai, every day something just gets built or in the NY. There are buildings that just keep getting proposed and built. Why Sydney so archaic?

January 17th, 2007, 07:08 AM	#79
CULWULLA Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 46,864 Likes (Received): 32	not archaic, just well planned. sydney has a history and heritage bldgs everywhere. Dubai doesnt. Also sun access is important in sydney while in dubai the last thing they wan to worry about is sun acess or shadows. thus the important process of DA. sydney has many heigth zones, and shadow impact areas. i dont think dubai has any? As for design comp. its a great idea. that way we dont get dogs of bldgs built. in last 10 years sydney has some really outstanding skyscrapers due to the design comp process. I reckon some of dubai talls would be better designed if there was more time involved with designing process. but having said that,most new towers are well planned. anyway i could go into detail but havent time now. cheers __________________ Sydney Harbour Bridge -1932, Sydney Opera House- 1973, Sydney Tower- 1981, Crown Hotel- 2015..

January 17th, 2007, 08:04 AM	#80
Commerzbank Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 1 Likes (Received): 0	I'm told that, in this case, Mirvac are going to hold a design competition when the Stage 1 DA is thru, hopefully end of Feb.

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