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Maybe Silver Spring should be an incorporated city. I don't know. What provision does Montgomery County law give to incorporating towns/cities; how would that play out in the State legislature? From a cultural/historic perspective, is there anything significant that Silver Spring contributes? (Boston you have the Colonial history, Tea Party, etc.; Philadelphia with Constitution Hall, temporary seat of US Gov't, etc.,...) I've always thought of it as being a bedroom community to Washington, and before that, simply a railroad stop on the B&O line, nothing more... |
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Just to prove again how mute your point is Silver Spring played a Pivotal role in Civil War and also was a route for the underground railroad. The Space Race is claimed to have started here, many famous people come here and the military developed many new technologies here as well. Even Silver Spring dates back further than some bigger cities, so what is your point? Look. No one trying to say Silver Spring is on the same level as Philly, NY or any other major city which seems to be implied within your confusion and totally ridiculous but on hierarchical scale it's the next step down after some mid-sized cites and in the state of Maryland it's the next step down after Baltimore . You just don't see many "crossroads" or "bedroom communities" this large especially with world headquarter companies or the busiest metro station in one of the most renowned systems in the world. Here is map of Silver Spring territory that should put an end to that discussion.
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Whew...now thats what I call getting shutdown!
Anyhow...I wanted to know will the MidTown Silver Spring be the tallest building in the city? |
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Well, anyway, here's the answer to your questions, Eerik. Here's some information from Emporis that hopefully will put this whole thing to rest. READ CAREFULLY, SILVER SPRINGER. READ THE UNDERLINED BOLD ESPECIALLY. Silver Spring Population 76,540 in city and 8,157,184 in metro Area 24 km² (9 mi²) About Silver Spring Silver Spring is one of the primary business hubs in Montgomery County, Maryland, just north of Washington, DC. Located on the Red Line, downtown Silver Spring has many highrise office and residential buildings. Silver Spring is unincorporated, and shares mailing addresses with neighboring areas, including Wheaton-Glenmont, White Oak, Fairland, and Rossmoor. Additional highrise buildings can be found in these cities also. So, in essence, Silver Spring's nothing more than a suburb of the nation's capital; a "bedroom" community if you will. Last edited by MasonsInquiries; August 11th, 2006 at 09:45 PM. |
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Why not just say Rockville, Laurel, Columbia, and NW/NE Washington DC are Silver Spring neighborhoods? That way, the population of Silver Spring balloons to something like 1.9 million, and then you can even claim Silver Spring is served by BWI airport (or would that be Silver Spring International airport?).
As for my question of historical/cultural significance, I was merely suggesting cities/towns often have some "impetus" or "birth" that made them come about (such as a natural resource like a harbor; perhaps an historical event/movement, i.e. Salt Lake City=Mormons or the Gold Rush=San Francisco). All I've ever known about Silver Spring is it has a long ago abandoned depot on the B&O line and that it had (still has?) a small natural spring, hence it's name. But little did I know Silver Spring played such a "pivotal role" in the Civil War! I realize there are many cities which developed after the first inhabitant of Silver Spring raised his shack at the crossroads of Georgia Avenue and Colesville Road, but the point is they developed. For the last hundred years, nothing really happened in Silver Spring to move it beyond the status of being a Washington bedroom community. Most of the growth is occurring now. So maybe in the next twenty years Silver Spring will be something more than just "a place" in the shadow of DC as it has been... Seriously though, either way, Silver Spring is a suburb of Washington. It has developed nicely in the last twenty or thirty years, and I like what they're doing now. Occasionally when I get the opportunity on my way back to DC, I take a detour to see what's new. All-in-all, I think it's great you are so passionate about the community. I suspect this board isn't your only channel for enthusiasm and energy? |
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76,540 in city and 8,157,184 in metro" That is from emporis, and represents only the Census Designated Place (obviously). Get past the Census population figures--it stops a thinking mind. ------- Just because some of you people don't like what Silver Spring is, and what it's becoming does not mean you get to change the rules of the game, its population, its significance, its very definition. It's neighborhoods have been part of Silver Spring for many, many decades. I do not insult you, you do not insult me, especially those of you from the Baltimore forums where we're all banded behind the same goals--which should also include repping all of Maryland. I do not see why Silver Spring threatens your very being so much. It has become quite comical and I would think that on these respectable forums you would not hide behind your screen names representing the very worst of human behavior. ------- From the chamber of commerice website: "Population of more than 200,000 in one of the most affluent counties in the U.S." From wikipedia: "After Baltimore, Silver Spring is the second largest place in Maryland. (Note: According to the Census Demographic Profiles, Silver Spring is the third largest after Baltimore and Columbia, Maryland; however, census data accounts only for Silver Spring's core and does not include surrounding neighborhoods which would be included in a comprehensive analysis of population.)...When the entire portion of Montgomery County, Maryland using Silver Spring addresses is taken into account, the population can swell to over 250,000 people, comparable to mid-sized American cities such as Buffalo, New York and St. Paul, Minnesota. In the Washington-Baltimore region, Silver Spring is the third-largest community, behind the cities of Baltimore, Maryland and Washington, D.C., and ahead of Arlington, Virginia and Alexandria, Virginia." ------- Discussions of incorporating Silver Spring have occurred before in other forums, and while some people would like it, most think it unnecessary (including myself). Silver Spring already has enough of a sense of place and support from the county and the state that incorporating would benefit only the Census bureau and those of us who do not understand its borders (and for those who don't, I would suggest being a little more mature and receptive). |
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Speaking of which, it seems to me, and my coworkers at the planning commission, that this slowdown will only be temporary. A few of my superiors are selling their homes right now and have the same points of view. What seems to be happening is that a mass stoppage of buying homes started when potential buyers realized that they could get better prices by waiting. So once people start buying homes again, it will all pick up as they realize they can't wait as long to buy the homes they want without someone else putting down a bid. So if developers just hang in there (and I'm sure they're going to try), then things may pick up again in mid-2007 or thereabout. Of course this is just our opinion, but I mean, it seems to make sense. |
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However I cannot -- and will not – sit quietly and not respond to such delusional nonsense and distortion of reality! To somehow suggest Silver Spring represents nearly a quarter million people; that Silver Spring in population could in any way be equal to “mid-sized American cities such as Buffalo, New York and St. Paul, Minnesota” is total bunk. Call it immature thinking, or what you wish, but that’s total crap, and we all know it! |
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Silver Spring is very nice and there is alot going on, but I, as well as many probably, view it, (no offense), as a suburb of DC. Still a nice urbany suburb.
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The same unfounded negative perception and dislike you have of Silver Spring is in the same category others have of Baltimore that you are so trying to dispel and makes you relentlessly defend it because you know it's in part a misconception. The capital region of Maryland is not your enemy as so many Baltimoreans believe, your hatred is misplaced and a form of internal cannibalism. In fact I will go as far to say that Montgomery County is the economic glue that is holding the state together, if Montgomery County just so happens to weaken do you think the jobs and economic strength will fly to Baltimore? You have wishful thinking if you think that is the case as they will swim across our Potomac River right into Northern Virginia! Montgomery can only do so much within a state that is known to have a bad business climate whether true or false. The goal is to reposition Prince George's, Baltimore and any other cities or counties so they can play a role in strengthening this great state. Montgomery County is not only the wealthiest but the most populous county in the state it is practically a million people, Silver Spring's population wouldn't even be half that at 250,000. It was the first downtown in Montgomery County and the part of the county that was first to truly develop and mature. I'm dumbfounded as to why you think 250,000 people are such a bogus claim. At one point Silver Spring was the largest retail hub between D.C. and New York and the largest office market in the D.C. area. With half our land in Montgomery County naturally preserved (highest ratio in the nation) where do you think all these people are living? I'm gong to shut all the haters down right now. You find Silver Spring comical but facts are facts. The Silver Spring CBD has well over half as much office space as Baltimore's (some claim equal to) and the Bethesda-Chevy Chase is arguably equal or larger, if you add all Bethesda territory it surpasses the entire city of Baltimore, so much for suburbs huh? Silver Spring has a population density of 15,600 per square mile while Baltimore has a population density of 8,058.4 per square mile. Baltimore may have some larger pockets but 35,000 people within 2 1/2 square miles is nothing to laugh at. The Silver Spring CBD has 5000 residential units coming down the pipe all within 2 1/2 square miles! See it for what it is and not what your ignorance is telling you.
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http://www.dcist.com/archives/2006/0...yland_envy.php Do you still consider the low density residential areas of single family homes and tract housing in Baltimore urban and non-suburban simply because they lie within the bounds of an arbitrary line?
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But Silver Spring is what it is: a community; an inner suburb. It’s not even a city, so how can you make comparisons between Silver Spring and municipalities like Buffalo, Baltimore, St. Paul and other cities? You not even comparing apples and oranges, but more like apples and…I don’t know…tomatoes!? Frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Silver Spring area has over more than half the office space of Baltimore. Big deal. It’s a submarket of probably the most bureaucratic city in the world. I’m surprised there isn’t even more office space in Silver Spring… So: Baltimore has more warehouse space and more freight, deepest and farthest inland harbor on the East Coast; and probably the highest consumption of UTZ potato chips and scrapple consumed by a demographic of women who use aqua-net hairspray…so what. You are correct I don’t like Baltimore bashing, but I also dislike and bristle when outrageous claims are made. What I have a hard time “digesting” are some of your claims, which you cite as being fact, yet use on a conditional basis. For example, you agree Silver Spring isn’t an incorporated city with definitive boundaries, yet compare Silver Spring population density statistics to that of Baltimore. Are you basing these numbers on census tracts or what? (Or should I ask, how are these numbers being calculated? Do you even know?) It’s all relative, and ultimately moot unless one can cite a source with more reliability than simply Wikipedia or a web blog. Likewise, I’ve seen the claim before that Silver Spring was the largest retail hub (not between Washington DC and New York City), but between Philadelphia and Richmond. But I’ve also seen the claim Wheaton was the largest retail hub between Richmond and Wilmington; Baltimore as the premiere retail hub south of Philadelphia; Philadelphia’s Center City as the largest retail hub on the East Coast (south of New York City), etc. Get my point? So for now, I’ll leave it at that: Silver Spring is a great place; I like Silver Spring (I’ve bolded that part for you again, just in case you missed it above). Great things are happening in Silver Spring, and I’m glad I remember what Silver Spring was like decades ago, because it has come a long way. But please don’t make some of these unsubstantiated and ludicrous claims about Silver Spring. Being a Silver Spring civic booster is great, but some of your claims are provincial thinking at best. Being someone with deep roots in the Silver Spring area, I find some of these claims a bit “overboard” and embarrassing to read… |
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As for a temporary slowdown I conceived that as one of my scenarios but the only reason the probability increased is because of the BRAC plan and the feds have stopped increasing interest rates. P.S. There is another project in the works that I’m sure you’ll love to know about. I’ll have more info on that and this project on my blog.
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SILVER SPRING SCENE 3.0 Last edited by Silver Springer; August 13th, 2006 at 05:13 PM. |
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I'm a teacher at a Baltimore city inner city school, and 3 of my coworkers are from Silver Spring (BORN AND RAISED in Silver Spring) and they even said that it's nothing more than a suburb. Bottom line, Silver Spring is what it is: a wonderful SUBURB. Last edited by MasonsInquiries; August 14th, 2006 at 01:35 PM. |
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