Silver Spring Development News

[uptn1bx2hrlm5blyn]

Originally Posted by adelphi_sky

One could argue that the Purple line would have just as much ridership. The main reason why the Purple Line is not high speed is 1. cost, 2. cost., and 3. density. As many and as close the stops will be on the purple line, it doesn't need to travel 55 mph.

Not a good enough excuse because if they are cutting the cost by building a slow speed light rail then there should be money left to build the slow speed light rail above and below level segregated from the street level.......

And yeah that BS Trolley Light Rail of the Purple line will not attract a large number of riders.....

[uptn1bx2hrlm5blyn]

Originally Posted by Crimson13

The silver line is being built for one reason only. That reason is to get rail transit to Dulles Airport. WMATA IS NOT BUILDING the silver line. MWAA is building the silver line. The silver line is over 6 billion dollars to build and would not be built if it were not for Dulles Airport needing Metro access. The Dulles Toll Road Users are basically paying for the silver line and it wouldn't be built without the Dulles Toll road money from drivers over the next 30 years.

WMATA is not building the purple line. MTA is building the purple line. Nobody is building heavy rail anywhere in the US except two or three cities. Everybody else is building lightrail because federal funding is almost impossible to win for heavy rail this day and age. It cost too much. Without toll road revenue and the Airport Authority revenue, who is going to pay for the purple line if the cost was 6 billion? You have to look at the facts and educate yourself. Also, the commercial development that comes with building lightrail is staggering. This is about development as much as it's about transit. Most people forget that.

That brings the question as to why MAA, MTA, and METRO not sponsoring the extension of the Green Line Subway to BWI Airport via Laurel, Columbia, and Fort Meade.......

[uptn1bx2hrlm5blyn]

Originally Posted by shakman

In addition, the Silver Line alignment will not be through residential neighborhoods. Good luck convincing MoCo's vast Bethesda /Silver Spring NIMBY population of a heavy rail above, below or beneath...

There were plans to build the Purple Line Subway along the I-495 Corridor Outside the Beltway.......

[Crimson13]

Originally Posted by uptn1bx2hrlm5blyn

That brings the question as to why MAA, MTA, and METRO not sponsoring the extension of the Green Line Subway to BWI Airport via Laurel, Columbia, and Fort Meade.......

There is no money to build that. They are struggling to build these small light rail projects as it is. How would they pay for an extension of Metro to BWI? Who would pay for it? I guess you think it would be better to just not build anything if it's not Metro. By the way, the Green Line light rail line in Boston has well over 200,000 riders a day. Light rail is booming in LA, Boston, Philly, and San Francisco. What don't you like about Light Rail?

[Crimson13]

Originally Posted by uptn1bx2hrlm5blyn

There were plans to build the Purple Line Subway along the I-495 Corridor Outside the Beltway.......

Maryland doesn't build subway lines in Highway medians. There are no riders when you do that. Rapid transit needs to be surrounded by housing.

[adelphi_sky]

Originally Posted by uptn1bx2hrlm5blyn

There were plans to build the Purple Line Subway along the I-495 Corridor Outside the Beltway.......

That's called the ICC now. lol

[shakman]

Originally Posted by Crimson13

Maryland doesn't build subway lines in Highway medians. There are no riders when you do that. Rapid transit needs to be surrounded by housing.

Not neccessarily true. I have been on the Orange Line many times towards Vienna which had quite a crowd; both on and off peak hours. The Purple Line alignment through Silver Spring is proposed to be in the middle of Wayne Ave which has numerous existing housing along the route. Unfortunately those effected by this alignment are trying to oppose (or were opposed to) the current proposed alignment. I wonder if these people also complain about vehicular traffic on Wayne Ave... Did some of you know the new Silver Spring Library will have a Purple Line stop? A portion of the library will cantaliever over the rail stop.

I doubt any of us will be alive to ride the Purple Line.

[adelphi_sky]

Originally Posted by shakman

I doubt any of us will be alive to ride the Purple Line.

Be of good cheer! i few recent articles have mentioned that ground could break by 2014. That's not too far away. Depending on which end they start first, (my gut tells me Bethesda to Silver Spring would be complete first, reference the ICC), the first days of operation could be no later than 2016. five years is not to far in the future.

[Woodsider]

Originally Posted by adelphi_sky

Be of good cheer! i few recent articles have mentioned that ground could break by 2014. That's not too far away. Depending on which end they start first, (my gut tells me Bethesda to Silver Spring would be complete first, reference the ICC), the first days of operation could be no later than 2016. five years is not to far in the future.

It's also possible that MTA will not get final funding for the entire project (or all at once). In that case, they would likely build the portion with the highest ridership projections first--Bethesda to Silver Spring.

The true test will come later this year, when MTA goes for federal funding for final engineering. It's generally accepted that the DOT isn't going to fund engineering unless they genuinely believe the project will get construction funding (otherwise, why would they waste hundreds of millions on design?).

[Woodsider]

And here's a rendering from MTA on how the Purple Line will integrate into the Silver Spring Transit Center (from SilverSpringTrails.org). Read the original post here http://www.silverspringtrails.org/?p=1293

[shakman]

Originally Posted by adelphi_sky

Be of good cheer! i few recent articles have mentioned that ground could break by 2014. That's not too far away. Depending on which end they start first, (my gut tells me Bethesda to Silver Spring would be complete first, reference the ICC), the first days of operation could be no later than 2016. five years is not to far in the future.

I am trying. Unfortunately there seems to be a pattern of talk rather than do. I also believe the first segment would be between Bethesda and Silver Spring.

[uptn1bx2hrlm5blyn]

Originally Posted by Crimson13

There is no money to build that.

But yet there is money to build the Silver Line Subway.....

Originally Posted by Crimson13

They are struggling to build these small light rail projects as it is.

So is Virginia with the Silver Line but that ain't stopping them from completing the Project in an estimate time period....

Originally Posted by Crimson13

How would they pay for an extension of Metro to BWI? Who would pay for it?

The same damn people that paid for the Silver line just like they are juicing money from Suburban Maryland to help pay for the Silver Line......

Originally Posted by Crimson13

I guess you think it would be better to just not build anything if it's not Metro.

So basically you are saying that you support Virginia building Subway service 25+ Miles from the Inner City while Maryland gets useless trolley's shoved down the Tax Payers throats........

Originally Posted by Crimson13

By the way, the Green Line light rail line in Boston has well over 200,000 riders a day.

SOO What......

The Green Line in Boston is mostly Underground and Elevated......

Originally Posted by Crimson13

Light rail is booming in LA, Boston, Philly, and San Francisco. What don't you like about Light Rail?

The only thing I despise about Light Rails is when it is built like a Street Car Trolley......

Light Rails are better built SEGREGATED from Street Level......

[uptn1bx2hrlm5blyn]

Originally Posted by Crimson13

Maryland doesn't build subway lines in Highway medians. There are no riders when you do that. Rapid transit needs to be surrounded by housing.

Now I know I will not take you seriously when you make cheap sarcastic failed joking comments like the one above......

The last time I traveled on the Dulles Toll Road the ENTIRE Median of the Highway was ripped getting prepared to lay down the Tracks for he New Silver Line Subway......

The I-66 Orange Line Subway(from Ballston to Vienna) is always packed(along with I-66) 7 days a week...

Baltimore has a Subway that runs along I-795 that carries a very large number of Riders...

Sooo again the Purple is be better off Built as a High Speed Subway may it be along the proposed light rail route or within a mile outside the Beltway......

[uptn1bx2hrlm5blyn]

Originally Posted by adelphi_sky

That's called the ICC now. lol

Then the Silver Line must be the Dulles Toll Road/Greenway.....

Oh thats right the Dulles Toll Road/Greenway is already built..........

[uptn1bx2hrlm5blyn]

Originally Posted by Woodsider

And here's a rendering from MTA on how the Purple Line will integrate into the Silver Spring Transit Center (from SilverSpringTrails.org). Read the original post here http://www.silverspringtrails.org/?p=1293

That nicely built elevation through Silver Spring METRO Station should be elevated and partially below level/underground throughout the Entire Length.....

A few years ago Charlotte, NC completed their Light Rail Projects serving South Charlotte and the entire length is Segregated from the street level.

[adelphi_sky]

Originally Posted by uptn1bx2hrlm5blyn

Then the Silver Line must be the Dulles Toll Road/Greenway.....

Oh thats right the Dulles Toll Road/Greenway is already built..........

I was joking.

[shakman]

Originally Posted by uptn1bx2hrlm5blyn

But yet there is money to build the Silver Line Subway.....



So is Virginia with the Silver Line but that ain't stopping them from completing the Project in an estimate time period....



The same damn people that paid for the Silver line just like they are juicing money from Suburban Maryland to help pay for the Silver Line......



So basically you are saying that you support Virginia building Subway service 25+ Miles from the Inner City while Maryland gets useless trolley's shoved down the Tax Payers throats........



SOO What......

The Green Line in Boston is mostly Underground and Elevated......



The only thing I despise about Light Rails is when it is built like a Street Car Trolley......

Light Rails are better built SEGREGATED from Street Level......

Could you name me one place where street grade light rail does not work? ...based off of facts, not your opinion...

[DaviddesJ]

Originally Posted by shakman

Could you name me one place where street grade light rail does not work? ...based off of facts, not your opinion...

The Santa Clara VTA light rail is fairly lame, in my opinion. It works in the core of San Jose, but it takes too long to get anywhere if you're traveling to the farther reaches of the system.

[shakman]

The commercial structure planned for 8711 Georgia Ave is to become a residential structure. Ground floor retail plans will remain.

http://dcmud.blogspot.com/2011/04/si...-switches.html

[shakman]

Quick update on 1150 Ripley... Framing for the 6th floor slab commenced yesterday (7/19). About a floor a week is being erected.