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Old February 27th, 2006, 06:32 AM   #1
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MISC | Crime on transportation

Is crime a problem in your city's transit system? New York's subways were notorious for crime and vandalism back in the 1970s and 1980s. Since then, the system has been cleaned up substantially. I hardly see graffiti anymore inside the trains and at stations anymore.

N.Y.C. subway crime down 37 percent

NEW YORK, Feb. 26 (UPI) -- The crime rate in New York City's subways dropped 37 percent so far in 2006, with 318 felonies, compared to 510 in the same period last year, officials said.

In the beginning of 2005, there was a spike in robberies involving cell phones and iPods, but overall robberies are down 21 percent so far this year, the New York Daily News reported Sunday.

Grand larcenies have dropped 46 percent and assaults have fallen 55 percent, police crime statistics show.

While the Metropolitan Transit Authority spokesman Paul Fleuranges has attributed the reduction in subway crime to the diligence of the New York Police Department Transit Bureau, the 200 surveillance cameras installed in subway stations might also have something to do with the reduction in crime.

To combat terrorism, the MTA signed a $212-million contract to install subways with 1,000 video cameras and other security equipment.

More than 4,000 cameras will be installed in the subway system by the end of 2007, officials said.
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Old February 27th, 2006, 07:56 PM   #2
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Old March 1st, 2006, 11:16 AM   #3
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Anyway, transit crime is rarely a problem in HK. There are some rare occasions of pickpocketing in the MTR especially on crowded trains but other than that, no!
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Old March 1st, 2006, 06:36 PM   #4
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For crowded cities such as Hong Kong and Tokyo, groping and sexual assaults are getting more and more problematic. I have even heard of women-only subway cars in Japan.
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Old March 1st, 2006, 08:23 PM   #5
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In the Netherlands we got problems with crimes against the transport system. There is some serieus vandalism going on in some parts of the country. Earlier this week the line between Alkmaar and Den Helder was hit two nights in a row, the electrical equipment that that controls the railroad crossings was vandalised.
Cables were cut and some instalations were smashed. The results was that the railroad crossings were closed, disrupting rail and roadtraffic. Transport police is taking this as railroad crime and not so much as vandalism. Because it's a danger for public safety, the maximum penalty is 15 years in prison.

Also there is a trend in the Netherlands that people put things on the tracks. Ranging from bycicles and shoppingtrollys to heavy steel objects, causing serious damage to the trains and the tracks.

Last year some people hung a iron pole from a viaduct over the tracks at night. The first train ran into it, the front window was seriously damaged but did not brake. The traindriver was shocked but was not hurt, if the window was broken this could have been different.

This is a dangerous trend in the Netherlands and the railway police is taking it very seriously.

As for crime on the trains, there are still problems especially around the big cities of Amsterdam and Rotterdam. A few years back there were big problems on the line from Amsterdam to Schiphol Airport. this lines goes trough Amsterdam West, on of the poorest neighbourhoods in the Netherlands with a lot of immigrants. There were troups of youths that were terrorising the trains robbing people, their main target were tourist. There was even a robbery in front off the cameras of a local tv-station. My own bag was also almost taken by youth that were running from the guards, i was holding it so it wasn't taken. This problem was solved after the stations along the line were guarded by local youth in corporation with the police.
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Old March 2nd, 2006, 05:53 AM   #6
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For crowded cities such as Hong Kong and Tokyo, groping and sexual assaults are getting more and more problematic. I have even heard of women-only subway cars in Japan.
The women only cars (not restricted to subways, but on commuter and busy JR lines as well) have been increasing lately.
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Old March 2nd, 2006, 05:56 AM   #7
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For crowded cities such as Hong Kong and Tokyo, groping and sexual assaults are getting more and more problematic. I have even heard of women-only subway cars in Japan.
I know there's one in Mexico City
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Old March 2nd, 2006, 06:14 AM   #8
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Source : http://www.usatoday.com/travel/desti...d.htm?CSP=N004

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Metro: The metro is clean, well run, on time and cheap. Tickets can be bought at the booths in each station. A small brochure showing the routes and the stations can be obtained at the city tourism office in La Zona Rosa. There are women-only cars at the front on some lines, put in place to protect women from unwelcome groping, but since they are not enforced at all stations, their usefulness is somewhat limited.

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Venezuela puts troops on buses to deter crime
18 June 2008

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - Venezuela's government started posting National Guard troops on buses Wednesday to try to prevent violent crime.

About 500 guardsmen have been assigned to ride on buses in Caracas as a deterrent against frequent armed robberies and killings of bus drivers, Gen. Alirio Ramirez told the state-run Bolivarian News Agency. Some will escort buses by motorcycle through crime-prone areas.

President Hugo Chavez announced the idea on his Sunday television and radio program, but it wasn't clear if the project would be permanent.

Polls regularly show that crime is Venezuelans' leading concern -- above unemployment and inflation.

The government reported 9,402 homicides for 2005, but it has not provided full-year figures for either 2006 or 2007.

Venezuelan criminologist Fermin Marmol Leon said the best estimate of murders in the country last year is about 13,000, based on tallies in Venezuelan newspaper reports.

Justice Minister Ramon Rodriguez Chacin on Tuesday disputed claims that crime has risen, saying Venezuela has averaged 152 homicides a week in recent months -- "much less than the figure last year," he added, without giving details.

Caracas averages about 40 homicides per week, Rodriguez Chacin said. The Venezuelan capital has long been considered one of the most violent cities in Latin America.

The National Guard deployed more than 1,000 troops in the streets of Caracas to help deter crime in October, but they were apparently withdrawn later.

Marmol Leon said putting soldiers on buses will help in some areas, but it "doesn't solve the crime problem," noting that taxi drivers, other motorists and homeowners will still face risks.
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Old June 20th, 2008, 12:45 AM   #10
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Here in Belgium, you have to be very careful for your wallet and other expensive things.
Thieves often work with a combrate. An exemple: the first thieve spills some milk over your clothes and ofer you some help, but in fact, they are stealing your wallet/phone/...
There's also a problem of bullying on buses and trams. Antwerp city trams ae full of graffitti inside.
In Anderlecht, the slums from Brussels, some *******s were throwing bricks and molotov coctails to buses of the MIVB, the Brussels transport company.
And at the NMBS, the National Belgian Railways, east-European thieves steel overhead wires for the cupper, that is very expensive stuff at the moment.
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Old June 20th, 2008, 05:27 AM   #11
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I'm surprised they try to steal ELECTRIFIED wire
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Old June 20th, 2008, 05:36 AM   #12
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That happens here in Melbourne-- the Epping-Hurstbridge lines were shut for 24 hours after copper was stolen from the tunnels between Jolimont and West Richmond. It has a huge street value-- and much of it was sold to construction companies in China.
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Vancouver's SkyTrain has quite a lot of crime, more than ay other transit system in the counry.
This is due to many factors. Vancouver has a very high crime rate especially compared to all eastern cities including Montreal and Toronto. It has a severe drug problem as well which accounts for much or it. One of the primary problem is that SkyTrain is proof of paymen so when crime takes place many get on the SkyTrain for a quick get away. There isa lot of drug use and petty crime around all the SkyTrain stations.

It is finally being dealt with by more transit cops in the busier stations and within the next few years all stations will have gates which should greatly help easethe crime and fare evasion. The ne CanadaLine will have gates at all stations.
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Old June 20th, 2008, 10:24 AM   #14
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One of the primary problem is that SkyTrain is proof of paymen so when crime takes place many get on the SkyTrain for a quick get away. There isa lot of drug use and petty crime around all the SkyTrain stations.

It is finally being dealt with by more transit cops in the busier stations and within the next few years all stations will have gates which should greatly help easethe crime and fare evasion. The ne CanadaLine will have gates at all stations.
I disagree that the fare payment system is to blame or even acting as a primary factor as you suggest, because GO Transit, which operates on the exact same system with its trains, doesn't have this problem.

The causes are much more about social issues than managerial mechanics of transit. The honour system is actually vastly preferable to gates because it is great at avoiding bottlenecks and other efficiency problems that inevitably come with a controlled-access fare-paid zone.
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I think he means to say that the proof of payment system is a contributing factor to the local problem in Vancouver. Its different for the GO system as according to him the eastern regions don't have as much crime as the western regions.

Would assaults/abuse to bus captains be called transit crime?
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Old June 20th, 2008, 12:31 PM   #16
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The London Underground is safe for the passenger, i've used it for years and have never seen any crime... Of course you get some tossers that try to be intimidating, but you get that above ground, too! You get some rowdy drunks during the weekends, but they're mostly too sozzled to do anything.

There is graffiti but I don't think trains are allowed in service if they've been seriously graffitied, I think it's to stop graffiti 'artists' from getting any pleasure from it.

Buses on the other hand... They just seem to attract more trouble, but it depends on the route.
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I am not sure whether this is true but the Wangsa Maju LRT station in Kuala Lumpur is probably the first LRT station to be robbed by armed men.

There has been cases in Kuala Lumpur where some passengers were held at knife point,amidst the crowd,and when the victim passed her/his wallet/handbag, the robber will slip out at the next station. Mercifully, such cases has not been heard for almost a year or two.
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Actually its a weekly problem here that the most congested railroad(Budapest-Szolnok) gets damaged...people steal the overhead wires,the cables of the security systems...thank god not the tracks...
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Having seen how Sydney bus drivers give out change and have all that money in a little box by their seats, I'm surprised I didn't hear much about bus robberies, especially late at night.
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Old June 20th, 2008, 11:25 PM   #20
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we dont know what happened to that guy, the subway could be very dangerous at night and yes, in some lines, the first wagons (2 i think) are for the girls, woman, and moms with kids in the rush hour, this program is very old, it's been used since was a kid.
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