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View Poll Results: Which scrapers looks more futuristic?
Asian 140 70.00%
European 60 30.00%
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Old April 8th, 2006, 04:55 PM   #61
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It's very debatable to say where life began.
There is the agument that says life began in Africa and migrated to Asia.
But there is also the arguement that both regions developed independantly.
Many scientists cannot agree or find the evidence to prove either arguement is correct.

So how about we don't get all heated and not have a silly arguement about where life and civilization began and go back to the simple debate of wether European or Asian skyscrapers are more futuristic.

I would say European in this case because they carefully consider enviromental strategies within the buildings. Resulting in healthier air and lower energy consumption. I believe this is the way all buildings in the future should operate rather than sealed air-con boxes often found in asia. (the stage America went through in the 70s)

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Old April 8th, 2006, 05:54 PM   #62
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^you're right tony.

I guess I should only focus on the purpose of the thread, so I say, since the Asians are obssessed with technology, Asian skyscrapers have to be more futuristic, specially Japanese and South Korean.



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Your ignorance shines through yet again.

Human life began in Africa. Civilsation began in Egypt and Mesopotamia as well as Eastern Asia (namely, by the Yangtze and Indus rivers).
you know what? this hurts because you're like the first person that calls me ignorant. Usually people tend to think the opposite of me.

anyway.... this is all my fault for starting a subjective debate based on my western pride.

Mesopotamia was located where Irak is located. "Babilonia"
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Old April 8th, 2006, 08:30 PM   #63
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I voted Asia because we got Dubai which will probably look like the most futuristic city when all its current projects are done. Here are som example of futuristic skyscrapers going up.

Burj Dubai,Dubai


SWFC,Shanghai


Shenton Way,Singapore


Jasmsil Lotte Tower 2, Seoul


The Regatta,Jakarta


Reem Island,Abu Dhabi


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Old April 8th, 2006, 08:37 PM   #64
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I believe we can conclude that this whole thread is pointless as long as we don't share the same definition of 'futuristic'.
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Old April 8th, 2006, 08:38 PM   #65
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Originally Posted by tonytowers
It's very debatable to say where life began.
There is the agument that says life began in Africa and migrated to Asia.
But there is also the arguement that both regions developed independantly.
Many scientists cannot agree or find the evidence to prove either arguement is correct.

So how about we don't get all heated and not have a silly arguement about where life and civilization began and go back to the simple debate of wether European or Asian skyscrapers are more futuristic.

I would say European in this case because they carefully consider enviromental strategies within the buildings. Resulting in healthier air and lower energy consumption. I believe this is the way all buildings in the future should operate rather than sealed air-con boxes often found in asia. (the stage America went through in the 70s)
Asian cities experience much hotter summers than their European counterparts. London and Paris get a much more temperate climate than Hong Kong, Shanghai, and Kuala Lumpur. Add the humidity factor since many Asian cities are along the coast or in the tropical regions, and the long summers are quite unbearable without air conditioning. That being said, are there open-able windows on Europe's latest skyscrapers? I thought Swiss Re was one of those climatisied sealed skyscrapers, too.
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Old April 8th, 2006, 08:43 PM   #66
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I believe we can conclude that this whole thread is pointless as long as we don't share the same definition of 'futuristic'.
Futuristic is anything not traditional.
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Old April 8th, 2006, 09:04 PM   #67
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DAMN that picture of Shanghai is insane!!!
I guess that would be futuristic architecture. Looks dull tho, but thats another subject I guess.



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Old April 8th, 2006, 09:28 PM   #68
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Futuristic is anything not traditional.
Most skyscrapers mentioned in this thread aren't futuristic and influential at all.
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Old April 8th, 2006, 10:23 PM   #69
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In The Swiss-Re outer skin is sealed yes. However the interior has 6 shafts rising the entire height of the building. These draw fresh air from the base up the entire height of the building due to the stack effect. The offices have a seperate skin to outside and are able to open windows into this ventilated space.

I admit due to the higher temperatures and humidity it makes it more difficult to naturally ventilate a building in asia naturally however it is not impossible. Various methods can be used in combination: green skygardens, Wind Chimneys, using the cooling effects of water also supplements these.

Never say never, although I think these ideas could be along way off in asian cities because the current building boom is more about who can build the tallest, flashiest and most expensive.

In the visually futuristic front I think Asian cities are way out in front mainly because there is so much stuff being built and when it comes together it showcases contemporary styles.
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Old April 9th, 2006, 01:30 AM   #70
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Many older Hong Kong residentials have the interior shaft concept which seems to resemble that of Swiss Re. Bathrooms face the interior shafts, which open to the outside at the top (somewhat like a vertical courtyard). This type of design proved to be deadly during the SARS outbreak, when the virus spreaded to neighbors as the infected unit's ventilation sucked the virus out into the shaft.
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Old September 4th, 2006, 11:11 PM   #71
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Originally Posted by _00_deathscar
Your ignorance shines through yet again.

Human life began in Africa. Civilsation began in Egypt and Mesopotamia as well as Eastern Asia (namely, by the Yangtze and Indus rivers).
Umm... Egypt is in Africa... so it DID start in Africa according to your logic... and Mesopotamia was the capital of babylon, so it also started there by your logic...

Boy you must feel stupid now, Calling el_artista_violeta ignorant.


The truth is, Asia may have better Skyscrapers, but IMO europe has everything else better. And the new skyscrapers planned for Europe push them up in that catagory too. Moscow, London, and Paris, and to lesser extents Istanbul, Madrid etc are all going through Skyscraper booms. The only difference is most of our skyscrapers are designed to extremely high standars, which makes them look futuristic (Great cladding, innovitive shape etc...), Where as Asia throws up hundreds, but only a hand full of notable ones.

When we do it, most of the time we do it right
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Old September 7th, 2006, 10:32 PM   #72
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With that Dubai,HK,Beijing booming one could hardly pick Europe!
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Old September 7th, 2006, 10:47 PM   #73
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Now, Asia.

Soon, europe:

The Shard (310m):

[IMG]http://i2.************/sv1loj.jpg[/IMG]

Russia tower (600m, taller than anything in Asia):



Dubai Tower istanbul (300m):



Bishopsgate tower (290m):



Minerva Tower (247m):



Federation tower (432m):



Diamond of Istanbul (256m):


I totaly agree! For now it's absolutely Asia.But let's wait the future

-shard
-bishopsgate
-federation
-Moscow t.
-Dt Istanbul
-do Istanbul have awesome designs!
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Old September 9th, 2006, 06:57 AM   #74
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I totaly agree! For now it's absolutely Asia.But let's wait the future

-shard
-bishopsgate
-federation
-Moscow t.
-Dt Istanbul
-do Istanbul have awesome designs!
Now and in the near future, still Asia. A few projects in Europe cannot compete with abundant existing+u/c futuristic skyscrapers in Asia. Ppl who vote for Europe should think properly abt the topic "Futuristic skyscrapers, Asian/European?" 1st

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Old September 9th, 2006, 07:39 AM   #75
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Definitely Asia. And I'm not going to make any kid of comment about that ridiculous and ignorant argument about if Dubai's in Asia, or that science, music, technology, etc., started in Europe. When Europe was under the Dark Age, in the Mesopotamia were Universities and new developments, so, please, lets focus on what really matters here and don't show up your poor and invalid knowledge.
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Old September 9th, 2006, 03:52 PM   #76
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how old are you???
dubai is not in asia???
london is a city of china???
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Old September 9th, 2006, 07:24 PM   #77
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Europe creates, Asia makes copies (Eiffel Tower, Grande Arche, Swiss Re and so on). A majority of new skyscrapers in Asia are made by european (or westerner) architects or agencies, they are really far to be creative. Cesar Pelli that did Petronas Towers is far to be asian.
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Old September 10th, 2006, 01:48 AM   #78
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silly question, of course it's asian!!!
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Old September 10th, 2006, 04:58 AM   #79
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Asia...
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Old September 10th, 2006, 03:53 PM   #80
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I vote european they are more glassy
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