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Old March 3rd, 2006, 03:26 PM   #1
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percentage of Slums in world wide cities !?

what is the percentage of Slums of cities like Mexico city , Nairobi , lagos sao paulo ....... can anybody help with facts !
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Old March 3rd, 2006, 09:47 PM   #2
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Probbaly around 35% to 60%. Western cities would only have less than 5%.
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Old March 4th, 2006, 02:16 AM   #3
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I don't have any numbers, but I think that "slum" should be defined? One man's slum is another man's housing.
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Old March 4th, 2006, 02:29 AM   #4
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Wikipedia-definition of a "slum"

IMO a slum is a rundown area made of shacks and abandoned (in sense of not maintained) buildings with no public services such as schools, health care, sewer pipes and garbage collection were the poorest of the poor live.
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Old March 4th, 2006, 03:27 AM   #5
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Wikipedia-definition of a "slum"

IMO a slum is a rundown area made of shacks and abandoned (in sense of not maintained) buildings with no public services such as schools, health care, sewer pipes and garbage collection were the poorest of the poor live.
Agreed.That is a clear cut definition of a slum.
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Old March 4th, 2006, 05:25 PM   #6
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12% in Rio de Janeiro
7% in São Paulo

Those are figures for the 2 major Brazilian cities.

I think Salvador and Recife must have more than that.
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Old March 5th, 2006, 03:01 PM   #7
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Probbaly around 35% to 60%. Western cities would only have less than 5%.
I live in a western country (but that's not the question)
in Porto Alegre (4th biggest city in Brazil) 7%
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Old March 7th, 2006, 05:02 AM   #8
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I live in a western country (but that's not the question)
in Porto Alegre (4th biggest city in Brazil) 7%
Hmmm, it appears I was way off. I thought the slum problem was very bad.
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Old March 7th, 2006, 05:10 AM   #9
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@Boom: Only 12% of Rio lives in a slum? What about the millions that live in Favelas in the north of Rio? If those aren't slums it is solely on a technicality.
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Old March 7th, 2006, 06:16 AM   #10
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On the technicallity that they do in fact have running water and other services, perhaps? Which means that other than living in small ugly houses, they do have basic commodities...
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Old March 7th, 2006, 07:20 AM   #11
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Manila has lots of slums. Locally, we call them squatters.
But recently, much of the metropolis has undergone redevelopment.

The photo below is near the Fort Bonifacio Global City development project. So maybe in the near future, these slums are history.

And slums today in the Metro aren't as much as it was 10 years ago.

The percentage of the population living below poverty went down to 24.7% from 38% in 2000. So, the 40% figure BBC and CNN always show is not true.

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Old March 7th, 2006, 08:14 AM   #12
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Hong Kong had it's slums especially during the 70s. The government has managed to solve this problem through public housing.

There are still a few slums in the city most of them in the hillsides.

Hong Kong slums (circa 1970s)







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Old March 7th, 2006, 08:56 AM   #13
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Oi isnt Rocinha the largest slum in metro Rio?.....I thought it had around 480,000 people. But I'm not sure if thats a favela in Rio proper...or not.
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Old March 9th, 2006, 02:06 AM   #14
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If a city or country can eliminate a "slum" by just giving the area some running water that leads to common wells and a few basic services, which I have trouble imagining, then the elimination of the world's slums is only a technical change.

As the US Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black said about pornography versus art: "I can't define it but I know it when I see it." I'd say the same about a slum. And those favelas around Rio and the similar housing all over the world are definitely slums. They may each have a few different meager services, but they are still slums.

In my opinion, if you do not have a title of ownership for the land you live on and neither do those around you, then you live in a slum.
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Old March 9th, 2006, 06:24 AM   #15
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@Boom: Only 12% of Rio lives in a slum? What about the millions that live in Favelas in the north of Rio? If those aren't slums it is solely on a technicality.
You guys only know Rio because it's a famous city. But it's not THAT bad, like 50% living in slums. It's really something around 12%. Considering Rio has 11 million people (metro), you've got about 920,000 people living in slums. You find that a small number? I don't. By the way, the city in Brazil with most slums is Salvador, in the northeast.


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Oi isnt Rocinha the largest slum in metro Rio?.....I thought it had around 480,000 people. But I'm not sure if thats a favela in Rio proper...or not.
Ofcourse it's a slum. And the correct number is around 150,000 people, not 480,000.

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Old March 9th, 2006, 10:25 AM   #16
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You guys only know Rio because it's a famous city. But it's not THAT bad, like 50% living in slums. It's really something around 12%. Considering Rio has 11 million people (metro), you've got about 920,000 people living in slums. You find that a small number? I don't. By the way, the city in Brazil with most slums is Salvador, in the northeast.


Ofcourse it's a slum. And the correct number is around 150,000 people, not 480,000.
Just curious, Brasilia and Curitiba are some of the country's major cities with the least slums?
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Old March 9th, 2006, 05:54 PM   #17
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In my opinion, if you do not have a title of ownership for the land you live on and neither do those around you, then you live in a slum.
How do you define this title of ownership exactly? I live in an area where most people have rented their flats but don't own them (which is really common in Germany).
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Old March 9th, 2006, 07:49 PM   #18
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Very good question as normally we only see shiny scycrapers here on SSC and never think of "normal" people living in these cities. Of course it's not all poverty and negative things (i don;t know the english word for ellende), but for Argentina, Brasil, Fillipines, Indonesia...we all know that may many people have hardly access to medical health, good food etc.
Some posts I read here are quite naive. If some source says...ach well it's not that bad, only 5 %, they belive it immediately. From whom come these sources?
As I said, I don't know the answer, but reality is sometimes not as bright as the shiny new highrises shown on the pictures. Even in the Netherlands or Belgium I could show you less nice neighbourhoods.
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Old March 9th, 2006, 08:07 PM   #19
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In my opinion, if you do not have a title of ownership for the land you live on and neither do those around you, then you live in a slum.
Hmm.. then I guess around 350.000 people live in slum in Copenhagen
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Old March 9th, 2006, 08:23 PM   #20
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This would count for 500.000 people in Amsterdam. It's very common in the Netherlands (as I think for many European countries) that people rent instead of owning their house. It's called social housing (sociale woningbouw), owned by more or less social democratic housing companies. I am one of those people living in a rented house owned by a housing company with a moderate rent. And still most of those houses are in a very good state. This is an achievement of social (social democrate/ socialist however you want to call it) politics. In The NL this exitst sinds 1902. We should be proud of it.
But that's not wat Nick in Antlanta meant I think...
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