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london lad · May 6th, 2006, 12:22 PM

I really dont like this tower- when it was first proposed 5 yrs ago it looked ok for the tim ebut now its as bland as the rest of bank st. I dont know why Ballymore are trying to push this tower as office led when they also have a residential permission for another scheme on the site. This was concieved back in the day pre-2000 when ther was big plans to turn south quay into an extension of CW. This fell flat on its face as the property market took a dive & as you can see with the inactivity in south wuay before this year that the whole plan was a failure.

I dont see why Ballymore dont go back to the drawing board for a 150m+ resi tower as it would get through planning no probs as RS, 22Marsh wall, Pan P etc all have planning & are taller than Arrowhead quay so nobody could complain. It could be a wasted opportunity for Ballymore.

Fragmentor · May 6th, 2006, 12:31 PM

It's great we can talk about buildings like this as densifiers (if there is such a word)a couple of years ago this would be rather more major than now!

***wjfox*** · May 6th, 2006, 12:35 PM

I remember the previous design of this building from a few years back - it looked so much better.

The footprint almost did look like an "arrowhead".

eXSBass · May 6th, 2006, 12:48 PM

Apart from the columbus site and riverside south do you think there is a potential for a few more 200m's? Like HSBC and Citigroup towers?

rickster2k · May 6th, 2006, 12:53 PM

I like the North Quay towers, (216 and 203m), i know some people think again they're a bit bland, but there reasonable tall, and with a small bit of resdesigning could be nice - also Heron Quays West is pretty tall at 214m (same as Riverside South).

I don't think anything will top 1CS as the tallest due to that bloody City Airport!

Fragmentor · May 6th, 2006, 12:55 PM

Surely they could just put a hole in a building and let the planes fly throught it?

Fragmentor · May 6th, 2006, 12:58 PM

Its crudely drawn in 5 minutes but you get the idea don't you?

jef · May 6th, 2006, 01:03 PM

Columbus will not be built.

rickster2k · May 6th, 2006, 01:05 PM

Haha - thats wishful thinking - we should just petition them to get the thing turned 90 degrees

.

Like Darjole said in an earlier thread I would have been great if 1CS was its originally planned 250m, the 235m existing design just looks a little 'dumpy' and the planned original height would have made the little bit of difference.

That said I still love 1CS and think it should remain the focal point of the whole CW site with its big pyramid roof and blinking light

warcry · May 6th, 2006, 02:33 PM

yes it will have you seen the towers website

http://www.columbustower.com/columbus_tower.html

jef · May 6th, 2006, 02:41 PM

Old site. It is dead, mate.

warcry · May 6th, 2006, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jef

Old site. It is dead, mate.

since when?
they would have taken the website off if it was old

eXSBass · May 6th, 2006, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warcry

since when?

Since the Arab guy investing in the project died!

***wjfox*** · May 6th, 2006, 02:43 PM

Since the main person funding the tower passed away.

warcry · May 6th, 2006, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eXSBass

Since the Arab guy investing in the project died!

oh i see... poor guy

someone should carry on with it.

so we are losing another skyscraper?

Dan1987 · May 6th, 2006, 02:52 PM

that project has been dead for at least a year!

Jack Rabbit Slim · May 6th, 2006, 03:07 PM

The most innovative, exciting, tall, unique project proposed for CW...and its dead in the water.......bloody typical! Could someone sle not just take over the financing of the tower and keep the same design?

jef · May 6th, 2006, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eXSBass

Apart from the columbus site and riverside south do you think there is a potential for a few more 200m's? Like HSBC and Citigroup towers?

North Quay has conditional pp. Heron Quay West is in the future pipeline. In the long term, CW plans to build additional towers next to North Quay (on the remaining available sites of lands/docks).

jef · May 6th, 2006, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Rabbit Slim

Could someone sle not just take over the financing of the tower and keep the same design?

nobody will. Possible redevelopment of this site will come back on the agenda in 10 years: time needed to solve the crossrail issue and to build the tunnels and the isle of dogs station which will stand next to Herstmere House.

london lad · May 7th, 2006, 03:15 AM

The more I look at the columbus sags the more it doesn't make sense.

A fantastic 63 storey tower in a prime location & the excuse given was some guy in the midle east died. Was this just a rumour because I cant remember ther ever being an official story in the trade press such as estates gazzette

It was an ivestment company funding this & even if it was a one man show surely someone else would've taken it on- The middle East is awash with cash -just look at all the towers going up in Dubai & this is a surefire investment.

London is going through a construction boom- both offices & high rise resi's- This tower had a office element that wasn't too large & could easily be filled by one company or let on a floor by floor basis.

The hotel element would've had tennats queing up- If Hilton are happy to have a hotel in the wasteland that is South Quay i'm sure a high rise hotel in the most attractive part of the isle of dogs would have no trouble.

Why was the site sold for a bargain 25m to an investment company nobodys heard of with a website thta looks like it was designed as a school project. If BL spend something like 120m on ropemaker place & if theres a massive amount of cash being spent on property both from UK funds & from abroad this seems like a bargain.If X rail was/is the cause then surely BL/CW etc still buy this site for 25m & hold onto it for 10 yrs as once Xrail is finished it would make back its money & more so.

If crossrail is holding this up then why did Moor house get built as the tunnels will pass under that building- in fact moor house has itss basement configured so if Xrail is ever built then it will become the western end of liverpool st X rail station. Surely Columbus could do the same- They knew Xrail would pass through it as its even shown on the plans for this tower. Also this tower could've been built before Xrail even gets the go ahead (if it ever does). CW biught the North Quay site for around 100m (if I remember rightly) so why was columbus sold so cheaply.

So as I say this is one strange saga.

May 6th, 2006, 12:48 PM	#44
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May 6th, 2006, 12:22 PM	#41
london lad Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London Posts: 8,155 Likes (Received): 45	I really dont like this tower- when it was first proposed 5 yrs ago it looked ok for the tim ebut now its as bland as the rest of bank st. I dont know why Ballymore are trying to push this tower as office led when they also have a residential permission for another scheme on the site. This was concieved back in the day pre-2000 when ther was big plans to turn south quay into an extension of CW. This fell flat on its face as the property market took a dive & as you can see with the inactivity in south wuay before this year that the whole plan was a failure. I dont see why Ballymore dont go back to the drawing board for a 150m+ resi tower as it would get through planning no probs as RS, 22Marsh wall, Pan P etc all have planning & are taller than Arrowhead quay so nobody could complain. It could be a wasted opportunity for Ballymore.

May 6th, 2006, 12:31 PM	#42
Fragmentor Funky London Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: North London Posts: 1,787 Likes (Received): 0	It's great we can talk about buildings like this as densifiers (if there is such a word)a couple of years ago this would be rather more major than now!

May 6th, 2006, 12:35 PM	#43
*wjfox* Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: L O N D O N Posts: 36,215 Likes (Received): 935	I remember the previous design of this building from a few years back - it looked so much better. The footprint almost did look like an "arrowhead".

May 6th, 2006, 12:53 PM	#45
rickster2k Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southampton Posts: 1,620 Likes (Received): 12	I like the North Quay towers, (216 and 203m), i know some people think again they're a bit bland, but there reasonable tall, and with a small bit of resdesigning could be nice - also Heron Quays West is pretty tall at 214m (same as Riverside South). I don't think anything will top 1CS as the tallest due to that bloody City Airport!

May 6th, 2006, 12:55 PM	#46
Fragmentor Funky London Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: North London Posts: 1,787 Likes (Received): 0	Surely they could just put a hole in a building and let the planes fly throught it?

May 6th, 2006, 12:58 PM	#47
Fragmentor Funky London Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: North London Posts: 1,787 Likes (Received): 0	Its crudely drawn in 5 minutes but you get the idea don't you?

May 6th, 2006, 01:03 PM	#48
jef Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Brussels/London Posts: 3,362 Likes (Received): 0	Columbus will not be built.

May 6th, 2006, 01:05 PM	#49
rickster2k Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southampton Posts: 1,620 Likes (Received): 12	Haha - thats wishful thinking - we should just petition them to get the thing turned 90 degrees . Like Darjole said in an earlier thread I would have been great if 1CS was its originally planned 250m, the 235m existing design just looks a little 'dumpy' and the planned original height would have made the little bit of difference. That said I still love 1CS and think it should remain the focal point of the whole CW site with its big pyramid roof and blinking light

May 6th, 2006, 02:41 PM	#51
jef Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Brussels/London Posts: 3,362 Likes (Received): 0	Old site. It is dead, mate.

May 6th, 2006, 02:43 PM	#54
*wjfox* Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: L O N D O N Posts: 36,215 Likes (Received): 935	Since the main person funding the tower passed away.

May 6th, 2006, 02:52 PM	#56
Dan1987 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NW Surrey Posts: 951 Likes (Received): 0	that project has been dead for at least a year!

May 7th, 2006, 03:15 AM	#60
london lad Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London Posts: 8,155 Likes (Received): 45	The more I look at the columbus sags the more it doesn't make sense. A fantastic 63 storey tower in a prime location & the excuse given was some guy in the midle east died. Was this just a rumour because I cant remember ther ever being an official story in the trade press such as estates gazzette It was an ivestment company funding this & even if it was a one man show surely someone else would've taken it on- The middle East is awash with cash -just look at all the towers going up in Dubai & this is a surefire investment. London is going through a construction boom- both offices & high rise resi's- This tower had a office element that wasn't too large & could easily be filled by one company or let on a floor by floor basis. The hotel element would've had tennats queing up- If Hilton are happy to have a hotel in the wasteland that is South Quay i'm sure a high rise hotel in the most attractive part of the isle of dogs would have no trouble. Why was the site sold for a bargain 25m to an investment company nobodys heard of with a website thta looks like it was designed as a school project. If BL spend something like 120m on ropemaker place & if theres a massive amount of cash being spent on property both from UK funds & from abroad this seems like a bargain.If X rail was/is the cause then surely BL/CW etc still buy this site for 25m & hold onto it for 10 yrs as once Xrail is finished it would make back its money & more so. If crossrail is holding this up then why did Moor house get built as the tunnels will pass under that building- in fact moor house has itss basement configured so if Xrail is ever built then it will become the western end of liverpool st X rail station. Surely Columbus could do the same- They knew Xrail would pass through it as its even shown on the plans for this tower. Also this tower could've been built before Xrail even gets the go ahead (if it ever does). CW biught the North Quay site for around 100m (if I remember rightly) so why was columbus sold so cheaply. So as I say this is one strange saga.