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My Mind Has Left My Body
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OMG that looks so f'ing amazing. I would like to see that blown up, it looks even better then the last awesome renders. This has a very real good chance of being the coolest urban space in the city outside downtown. This looks like it could be a major draw not just for the soutside but the whole damn metro.
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The City
Join Date: Jul 2004
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Holy MOMMA, guys
This development just got too cool to not happen. Wow. So is this going to be a sort of black-middle-class shopping mecca sort of thing? I see this as a modern version of Brooklyn's Fulton St District. Let the Gods of Urbanism shine their blessings on this thing so that it may be so...
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I am referring to the killing of Chicago Police Officer Michael Ceriale roughly 6-8 years ago. I don't remember the exact year. Officer Ceriale and his partner were in plain clothes conducting surveillance on a narcotics open market operating at the base of the southernmost of since-demolished CHA high-rises located between Pershing and Bowen a half-block west of State. Someone spotted Ceriale and fired. That was late on a Friday night/Saturday morning. I work nearby and I passed the site on Saturday morning, when it was crawling with police. Ceriale died at Cook County Hospital (in the old building, of course) about a week later from his injuries. The whole block, which held roughly three high-rises, was later leveled. The area is sure changing, with Metropolis being part of that change. |
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Not to be a Debbie Downer, but is there any particularly good reason to think that this development will actually create retail and commercial tenants, rather than just retail and commercial space? I don't know this exact area well, but in that part of the city, I don't think the problem is generally that there is not any space for retailers, the problem is that there aren't any retailers. There are plenty of vacant storefronts in buildings that would undoubtedly command much lower rents than this new construction will, and probably with a lot fewer strings attached, since the residential units above those older buildings are occupied by renters who aren't about to block certain types of usage of the commercial space.
There might be something about it that I'm not understanding, but attracting tenants for new construction is such a problem as it is, even in wealthy and stable neighborhoods. I'm thinking it will likely be a pretty long time before all that space fills up with tenants, especially the retail tenants we might dream of attracting. And I'm not sure that positioning it all in that tucked-away drive is the best idea. Wouldn't it be better facing the street? |
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Another Studio Gang project in Hyde Park?
From the Hyde Park Herald
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The City
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Some of you just don't understand urbanism at all. Just because the roads aren't straight doesn't mean it ain't urban.
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Some more images of Metropolis
Site plan ![]() ![]() Retail and digital clock
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Well, apparently, it's not integrated into the street grid AT ALL (except for a parking lot entrance that lines up with Dearborn).
The upside is, it comes right up to the street, minimizing the extensive, poorly-planned, worthless green space that helped doom the housing projects. The central courtyard is surrounded by brightly-lit, occupied buildings, discouraging crime. |
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I'm a bit confused. I thought this project was supposed to have underground parking. Are those surface lots?
That would be too bad if that's the case..
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Those may be temporary. Weren't there several phases to this one. Maybe in the future, they'll be covered by towers.
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To me it looks like mid or high rises are supposed to go where it shows parking lots in the layout plan. At least I hope so.
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^ Ahh, actually that makes sense looking at this second picture.
Surface parking in the beginning to attract retailers, then build the highrises later. So if this becomes a giant planned development from the get-go, and gets approved, the developer doesn't have to deal with NIMBYism squashing the highrises later on in the game. Sounds good to me. Now all we need is for these guys to land some retailers.
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#156 |
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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Southworks
Here are some images of another big South Side development
![]() ![]() ^I wonder if they'll allow wind turbines
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NICE FIND, SPYGUY!
Holy schnoikens, dude, how DO you keep doing that? Seriously, though, I am definitely encouraged seeing that site plan. Looks like urban/ped-friendly/streetgrid will be the name of the game. Coolness to the max
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#158 |
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My Mind Has Left My Body
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wow, I likes the southside works so far. Nice integration of green space and urbanism. The last few articles I read about has me a little concerned about it but I am starting to get more optimistic. It doesn't look like it will be dominated by detached single housing units also, hopefully that will remain the same. That little slip in the middle of the development has great potential to be a unique great urban space. I wonder if there are any plans to extend LSD or eventually the Green Line to it.
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Back to Metropolis for a sec, do they intend to cover the buildings with grass, as shown?
And the Southworks site looks good too! I wonder how much of this plan will actually get completed though. They should build the towers first, and then the townhomes, so NIMBYS don't infest the place first. |
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That will be a lot of res units to fill. Even if they roll it out in phases, I can see the Southworks project having a ghostown-like feel for quite some time before it becomes a lively neighborhood.
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