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Old December 15th, 2013, 08:15 PM   #2661
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Does the light metro line: Butovskaya use the regular trains, that you can see on another lines, or they have a 'lighter' ones to serve the line? And another question: how long are the trains on Butovskaya?
Light metro is not light rail. It's financially light heavy rail. And that term was dropped few years ago. Nowadays the line has number 12.
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No, this is actually kind of light rail in comparison to other metro lines. They just changed its name, but it is a kind of light rail.

The same as in Shanghai line 6.
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Old December 16th, 2013, 10:56 AM   #2663
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It's not light rail. It's a pure heavy rail.
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Old December 16th, 2013, 11:02 AM   #2664
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You're wrong. Light rail is not only the tram that you can imagine.
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Old December 16th, 2013, 11:17 AM   #2665
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You're wrong. Light rail is not only the tram that you can imagine.
It doesn't matter what I can imagine. Butovskaya line is a pure heavy rail - an elevated heavy railway with 3-car havy rail trains (4,5-car in 20m equivalent).
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Old December 16th, 2013, 07:30 PM   #2666
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Light rail is called that way because of its capacity at all. The rolli stock doesn't matter.

Butovskaya line has a capacity comparable to many tram lines of Europe.
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Old December 16th, 2013, 10:40 PM   #2667
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Constructiveness - high floor, signaling, capacity per car etc - also matter.

Butovskaya line trains have capacity of over 1000 passengers per train. It's nowhere near light rail. It's comparable to most metro systems and heavy rails.
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Old December 17th, 2013, 12:41 AM   #2668
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So it's just a regular heavy metro line with shorter trains because of the lower demand, that's all, right?
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Old December 17th, 2013, 02:20 AM   #2669
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So it's just a regular heavy metro line with shorter trains because of the lower demand, that's all, right?

Pretty much.
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Old December 17th, 2013, 08:37 AM   #2670
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No, this is actually kind of light rail in comparison to other metro lines. They just changed its name, but it is a kind of light rail.

The same as in Shanghai line 6.
Term "light rail" derived from the fact that tram and other tram like trains have lower load per axle.
The term light rail are born from the fact, that North American authorities feared to be laughed at reintroducing tram or streetcar, so they invented LRT thingy - "look, tearing down all that trams 25 years ago wasn't a mistake, because it's no tram now we building again it's totally new and shiny LRT".
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Old December 17th, 2013, 10:16 AM   #2671
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That's nonsense.

Coth, car capacity has nothing to do with the terms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_rail here actually we can see the term is very broad and you can see emus that are not low floor, high platforms, etc.

We have to start from the line capacity, in fact. That is the prevalent factor to consider.

In Edmonton, you just go to the link above, there is a picture of train looking much like our Russich on Butovskaya line.
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Old December 17th, 2013, 02:58 PM   #2672
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That's nonsense.

Coth, car capacity has nothing to do with the terms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_rail here actually we can see the term is very broad and you can see emus that are not low floor, high platforms, etc.

We have to start from the line capacity, in fact. That is the prevalent factor to consider.

In Edmonton, you just go to the link above, there is a picture of train looking much like our Russich on Butovskaya line.
Edmonton uses Siemens SD 160, which have 9-10 t/axle load when full loaded... Compare this to Rusich 81-740/81-741 and his 13 t/axle. That result in different standards of track (they are way cheaper for LRT, than for full load subways or railways), rolling stock and etc.
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Old December 18th, 2013, 02:31 AM   #2673
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A new design by Artemy Lebedev for each line scheme. Just noticed on a train on red line.


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I do agree the subtle ring for the Ring Line is a well-thought-out feature of this particular onboard diagram. Props to Artemy Lebedev, modern Moscow's Renaissance Man.
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Old December 18th, 2013, 09:09 AM   #2674
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December 2013. The construction of the northern ground-level vestibule of Metro station "Spartak" (Line 7) which planned to be opened in mid-2014.


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December 2013. The construction of the southern underground vestibule of Metro station "Spartak" (Line 7) which planned to be opened in mid-2014.


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The construction of "Otkrytie" Arena (the stadium of FC "Spartak") on the background:

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Old December 18th, 2013, 09:59 AM   #2676
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Pretty nice. Is the vestibule is small copy of stadium?
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Edmonton uses Siemens SD 160, which have 9-10 t/axle load when full loaded... Compare this to Rusich 81-740/81-741 and his 13 t/axle. That result in different standards of track (they are way cheaper for LRT, than for full load subways or railways), rolling stock and etc.
Russich has such load right because it is a steel-body car.
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Pretty nice. Is the vestibule is small copy of stadium?
No, it's not.


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New render of new Tekhnopark station. The old one with pyramid is no longer an option:

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