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Old October 11th, 2009, 11:08 AM   #461
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What do you mean not in the conventional sense? Because people don't travel on it, or because it uses a different gauge?
some tunnels probably do not have rail at all
where there is rail - it is not electrified, trains use accumulator battries

again, this is all rumors

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There are rumors that the Washington DC Metro also has secret tunnels.
most likely both cities made preparations for nulcear exchange during Cold War
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Old October 16th, 2009, 11:59 PM   #462
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Old October 18th, 2009, 12:49 AM   #463
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There are rumors that the Washington DC Metro also has secret tunnels.
All the cities that was supposed to be hit by Nuclear warheads during an assumed cold war attack prepared for that. Stockholm for example spent enormous sums on preparing the city for an assumed attack by the Soviet Union. Almost immediately after the cold war begun they started to dig out a network of tunnels covering the entire city and by the 1970s the tunnel system covered the entire metropolitan area. They didn't build any secret subway, instead the evacuation would be carried underground out by buses picking up passengers from strategic locations around the city and then be moved out of the city through the tunnels extending some 30-40km outside of the city limits.
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Old October 18th, 2009, 06:12 AM   #465
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All the cities that was supposed to be hit by Nuclear warheads during an assumed cold war attack prepared for that. Stockholm for example spent enormous sums on preparing the city for an assumed attack by the Soviet Union. Almost immediately after the cold war begun they started to dig out a network of tunnels covering the entire city and by the 1970s the tunnel system covered the entire metropolitan area. They didn't build any secret subway, instead the evacuation would be carried underground out by buses picking up passengers from strategic locations around the city and then be moved out of the city through the tunnels extending some 30-40km outside of the city limits.
Interesting, I didn't know that Stockholm had such an extensive underground network, but the mass evacuaton idea makes sense in the Swedish context. The rumors about a secret tunnel off the Washington Metro don't suggest anything near the capacity of serving a mass evacuation....Rather it was just to evacuate the very top political leaders in the event of nuclear war.
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Old November 15th, 2009, 04:00 AM   #468
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First 81-714.6/81-717.6 trainset. .6 is a scratch built modification. .6K was refurbished original 81-714/81-717.

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81-740.4/81-740.4 are now on two lines in services. APL 3 and KolL 5.


New classic cars 4-door 20-meter long 81-76x series to replaced outdated rolling stock on very busy lines (TKL 6 to be first probably).



fan art based on drawing, so unofficial color scheme
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Old November 15th, 2009, 06:19 PM   #469
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I will not quote pictures...

I think you are seriously misguided, Micrav.

The supercar in the picture screams that the owner has more money than the rest of people. This can not be not philosophy of a public transit system.

Trains must be

energy efficient
spacious
comfortable - (noise level, ventilation, air conditionning when needed, seat position, area of floor realtive to seating area, number and area of the doors relative to car size, etc.)

Design should be practial, durable and should follow function.

I do not argue that trains should be poor aesthetically. I would only add that I see nothing wrong with traditional design of Moscow trains. Considering that their lifetime is about 40 years, I actually like the continuity of design. I would advocate freezing the design of late 70s as vintage style and make a trademark. Why is that San Francisco can use vintage trams that are clearly 50-60s in design, and nobody seem to mind (or London used vintage busses for years), but Moscow should be changing design of its trains like a petty girl who wants to get a new pair of slippers every week?
A public transport system must be practical, functional, cost effective and attractive. Look helps, style is only one function among others. Style is the signature of a well done work! The pride of the workers and company who made it. Never heard people speak about their work as a beautiful plane or a beuatiful woman? A work well made and designed is the pride of those people, they take car of it, pay attention to details, to qulity and improve therefore its quality and lifetime. This also a role a designer can play inside a company, it is a role of motivation.

About old rolling stock, I really don't mind, needs sometimes a lifting... Either you play a postcard role like old tatras in Prague, but the same tatras in other cities don't fit that well... SImply, when material needs to be replaced or added, buy something worth it... Often, there is no designer in jury of a city, only numbers, influence game and politics and interests... Commercial success is not often something those judges consider the right way... Long speeches possible
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Old November 21st, 2009, 03:57 AM   #470
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long awaited 81-76x series render has came out to be leaked render, not a fan art.

here few more from metroblog.ru

screens from officially presented video

external color scheme said to be not final, will be fully different






















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Old November 23rd, 2009, 05:20 PM   #471
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Old November 23rd, 2009, 05:48 PM   #472
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Old November 23rd, 2009, 11:38 PM   #473
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long awaited 81-76x series render has came out to be leaked render, not a fan art.

here few more from metroblog.ru

screens from officially presented video

external color scheme said to be not final, will be fully different





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I don't see any difference to the older ones (Rusich and the one that is out of production) except for the front mask.
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So then you have seen technical documentation to say that? Share it please!
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Can you read? I said "I don't see", technical details are nothing you can "see". Except for that, technical details are out of the question as I am talking about the aesthetical aspects and practical physical features of industrial design. The waggons in the renders are not walk-through, the side windows are the same as in the old ones, the doors are the same. I wouldn't call it a new train but maybe a facelift and modernization if they really used a new power pack and transmission etc..

I was hoping to see something on the same level as this
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Old December 13th, 2009, 02:47 AM   #478
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Such external design will never become outdated. It's simple, classic and modern at the same time. The front mask looks good enough, much better than on Rusich cars. They seem too narrow.
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Those sliding doors, with two levels of freedom of mechanical movement, are more expensive, and less reliable in case of too crowded vehicles. Moscow has different traffic conditions of Munich. Sliding doors with only one level of freedom of mechanical movement are cheaper, and much less malfunction. Construction of Russian vehicles is much safer. Having to much glasses is irrelevant for subway.
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Those sliding doors, with two levels of freedom of mechanical movement, are more expensive, and less reliable in case of too crowded vehicles. Moscow has different traffic conditions of Munich. Sliding doors with only one level of freedom of mechanical movement are cheaper, and much less malfunction.
Excuse me, but what is "two levels of freedom of mechanical movement"? These doors are just as quick, safe and reliable as the ones on the old cars and work exactly the same way and I am sure they work no other than the ones on russian metro, how do you know which ones have one level and which ones have 2 levels of mechanical freedom of movement?. Munich may be not as big a city as moscow, but when the subway cars are full and the platform is full, it doesnt matter how many people there live, when the subways are crammed its the same, and the needs are the same: transport the masses of people.

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Yeah, that was the opinion 130 years ago in london when they put people in horse carriages because "it's a tunnel and there's nothing to see anyway"....opinion has changes, people feel safer with bigger windows, they feel better and more comfortable and less crammed, the vehicles look better and not 50 years old, and it doesnt add that much to the cost. Also, the new moscow vehicles dont even seem to be walkthrough, which really is nothing speacial today. Thats what annoy me, they dont improve the passenger comfort on the vehicles, they dont change anything. And its not that it annoys me because I dont wish them well, but because of the exact opposite. It annoys me that the managers and people who work there (in the higher levels) are so incompetent, how are they ever going to secure new markets and grow if these morons only work for the most minimun and dont bother about anything, while even markets in eastern europe which, with a good product, could've gone to the russians are taken over by bombardier, alstom and whoever...
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