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Old December 26th, 2009, 03:09 AM   #501
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those stations looks very stunning! congratulations!!
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Old December 26th, 2009, 03:14 AM   #502
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The important part of my post, again, read.

"But all that's not really important as you are trying to derail my initial point, which i repeated more than 5 times[...], onto something that I already adressed, which is that the seating disposition is up to the customer. And the passengers in munich wanted to keep more comfortable 4x4 seats instead of all side-seating only"

See, the seating has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I said, why I posted the pictures or what the point I was trying to make was. I posted them to show design and interior quality. That's all. And you keep jumping about how seating configurations don't fit the moscow metro, like that was the point of my post.
The guy on the shots is obviously very tall - 185cm+. But the point wasn't only about 4 rows seats. In 2 rows configuration you showed 4 standing places are occupied by rounding narrowing rows. This is also unacceptable. Moreover, in refurbished Em series there are no seats at the beginning of the each car at all (expanded area in removed cab). They have 6 less seats than 81-71x series. .1 modification of 81-72x series have 12 less seats - no seats on both sides of the car at all - only accumulation area.




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I don't understand the last part what you said, but the first part about "not much quicker" sounds not right. If a fire produces, lets just say, 5 cubic meters of smoke per second, and the wagon has a total of 150 cubic meters, then it will be smoked out complely in 30seconds, killing everybody inside, but if the wagon is openly connected to other wagons, the smoke won't stay in that one wagon but distribute on the ceiling into nearby wagons, so after 30seconds, the concentration of smoke in that particular wagon will be lower than if it was closed, and that could save people's lives. Understand what I mean?
I mean the smoke enough to kill people will fit the car even before will go outside to other cars.

Also old cars were made of very inflammable elements. So not only the smoke was the problem. Also cars without walkthrough feature are more operable. It takes less time to detach the car to replace it by another. Time is also very important in Moscow metro. But as I said 81-74x series (surface series) was experimental on this. There is the walkthrough area between coupled sections of the cars. The antifire system also unlocks doors between cars. 81-76x series are being made in two versions in the project. The final decision what to get into serial production will be made later.



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No, if a seat or trash can catches fire, an extinguisher will be good first-aid to put the fire out or supress it enough to get the people to safety and keep the fire from spreading out. But not if someone makes an attack, that's sure.
That's good, do you know how they work? I mean they can't just release oxygen killing gas as that would also kill people, no? Do they have some better system?
Sounds good in theory, but it doesn't work on practice. In other way there would be no such disasters. The fire and smoke are usually spreading very fast and not out of exterior. The antifire system detects and extinguishing the fire not only in passenger area, but controls all active elements under the car. It's a powder based system. But don't know what exactly.

There is an article on that. You can translate it with online translation tools.
http://www.mosmetro.ru/pages/page_0.php?id_page=378
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Old December 26th, 2009, 03:28 AM   #503
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The guy on the shots is obviously very tall - 185cm+. But the point wasn't only about 4 rows seats. In 2 rows configuration you showed 4 standing places are occupied by rounding narrowing rows. This is also unacceptable.
Don't you understand English? The distribution, number and placement of the seats IS NOT THE ISSUE.

It's starting to get funny after a while, no word on material, design and all the key points that I criticized, but instead you're winding yourself around the effing seat distribution for the 10th time, even though that was the specific wish of the MVG and has nothing to do with those points. The producer will make you a car without any seats if you want it, or with bunk beds, whatever you request.
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Old December 26th, 2009, 03:36 AM   #504
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Complaining on language is not welcomed here. It's an international forum. If you don't want to understand my English, we can switch to Russian.


And this all comes down to configuration. Your seats are not nicer except one thing - the row is rounded. In all other point they are exactly the same. The wider box underneath seats is used for antifire and heating systems. But this box doesn't make it worse. Each seat is detachable to make it quickly replaceable. But it's also doesn't make it visually worse.
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Old December 26th, 2009, 09:07 AM   #505
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Amazing stations like allways, any ETA to reach 300 km of lines? t
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Old December 26th, 2009, 09:08 AM   #506
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Old December 26th, 2009, 02:02 PM   #507
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Still amazing to see that the modern stations are built like underground cathedrals, just like the first ones.

Coth: why do many - if not most - station names in Moscow end with "-skaya"?
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Old December 26th, 2009, 02:44 PM   #508
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Old December 26th, 2009, 03:25 PM   #509
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a new smart card validator. just as a reminder - moscow metro is a driven system for contactless technologies. was first in europe to use smart cards and first major metro system to run fully contactless. for a long time it also operates on wifi.
Is that something like VAL? What means contactless?
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"Contactless" just means that there is no direct physical contact between your ticket/smart card and the validating machine at the entrance.
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Complaining on language is not welcomed here. It's an international forum. If you don't want to understand my English, we can switch to Russian.


And this all comes down to configuration. Your seats are not nicer except one thing - the row is rounded. In all other point they are exactly the same. The wider box underneath seats is used for antifire and heating systems. But this box doesn't make it worse. Each seat is detachable to make it quickly replaceable. But it's also doesn't make it visually worse.
After explaining it for the 10th time, I just have to ask that question.

Well I find them nicer as the backrest is higher and the ergonomically shaped, it really is more comfortable to sit in them after a hard day then it is on smaller chairs, but as I already said, that's not the issue, the seating, style of seat, placement of seat, size of seat etc.. is all up to the customer and not the question here. What I was talking about were other features such as lighting, material, ceiling, design (interior and exterior) etc...
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"Contactless" just means that there is no direct physical contact between your ticket/smart card and the validating machine at the entrance.
To make it clear. It's not turnstile validator. It's the service validator, where you can check information about your card.
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Old December 26th, 2009, 10:57 PM   #513
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Ah, right. We've got those in Amsterdam now, too
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Old December 26th, 2009, 11:06 PM   #514
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All 3 stations were opened today, including Myakinino. It was opened without cladding. Just empty walls with a small temporal granite line. Handrails on the bridge were installed just this morning. Staircase was partially finished just minutes before opening. But wasn't fully finished. Lots of service holes in walls. Volokolasmaya and Mitino fully finished. First is very nice, expect lamps.





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Old December 26th, 2009, 11:43 PM   #515
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absolutely beautiful!
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Old December 27th, 2009, 07:48 AM   #517
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photo by Alexandr Kotomin

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The last one is not finished yet, we are still waiting to for the final look... although it may not be too different from what we have now. The station was built with funds from private investor, financial crisis may result in simplification of design.
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These aren't subway stations, these are galleries!
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