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Old June 29th, 2006, 06:39 AM   #41
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Old June 30th, 2006, 09:03 AM   #42
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Communist/Democratic

Both wrong. It's bad ol' imperial Russia on the rise again.
All Putin lacks is a crown on his head.
Crown him tsar goddammit!!!


Great stations, btw.

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Old August 1st, 2006, 12:38 PM   #43
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10 minute Moscow Metro Video

Did anybody post this video yet? I was looking on youtube and saw a pretty cool clip of Moscow's metro. It goes behind-the-scenes and tours a few stations. It's auf Deutsch, but there's english subtitles....it also appears to be a bit outdated, but that could just be the camera?

**It said that during rush hour, the longest wait between trains is 90 seconds, and sometimes there are pulses of only 40 seconds if there's a delay!! whoa!!! (OK, some of you might've known that already, but I didn't!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sSLzwH7P00

The homeless children at the end are a bit sad. They seem so unsympathetic!!
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Old August 1st, 2006, 07:52 PM   #44
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When I was there I saw many times train frequencies of 50 seconds. Not one train arriving 50 seconds after the previous one left but one train leaving 50 seconds after the previous one left!
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Old August 1st, 2006, 08:00 PM   #45
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Wow. That must be a hell of a safety risk...

Moscow's statistics are impressive. It carries around 3 billion passengers a year (which comes down to 9 million a day), is almost completely underground, has some of the deepest stations in the world, the stations themselves look like underground palaces or cathedrals and the average distance between stations is 1,8 kms.
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Old August 1st, 2006, 09:11 PM   #46
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When I was there I saw many times train frequencies of 50 seconds. Not one train arriving 50 seconds after the previous one left but one train leaving 50 seconds after the previous one left!
well. i never seen 50 sec. usual frequency is 70-110 seconds during peak hour. there are interval timers on every station that drops every time when about half of first car leaving the station. however i don't usually look on them. but in last several years i use usually ride on three lines (4, 5 and 9). so may be you have seen it on other line.
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Old August 1st, 2006, 09:21 PM   #47
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Did anybody post this video yet? I was looking on youtube and saw a pretty cool clip of Moscow's metro. It goes behind-the-scenes and tours a few stations. It's auf Deutsch, but there's english subtitles....it also appears to be a bit outdated, but that could just be the camera?

**It said that during rush hour, the longest wait between trains is 90 seconds, and sometimes there are pulses of only 40 seconds if there's a delay!! whoa!!! (OK, some of you might've known that already, but I didn't!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sSLzwH7P00

The homeless children at the end are a bit sad. They seem so unsympathetic!!
i think it was taken somewhere in mid 90's
as of komsomol'skaya and homeless children there. there are three central stations. so they coming easly from all eastern europe. of course most of them getting a care from social services and does not stay on the 3 central station square for long time. nobody live in metro of course, they just cadge there. mm is highly secured system, fully under video control and with motion sensors in all tunnels. even diggers can't get easly to non public places.

rows of policemans is not usual of course. happens only during football matches. exactly this station is sportivnaya near luzhniki stadium.

ceramic floor on belorusskaya unfortunately was removed in mid 90's and replaced by marble.
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Old August 1st, 2006, 09:37 PM   #48
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New renderings

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Old August 2nd, 2006, 12:13 AM   #49
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 08:26 AM   #50
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very cool, albeit a little old movie

those old escalators are being replaced now
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 06:01 PM   #51
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cool this video

i like the art in some stations.

btw: it seems there are to much poverty in moscow....
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 05:28 AM   #52
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cool this video

i like the art in some stations.

btw: it seems there are to much poverty in moscow....
first of all - there is no. second - video was taken between 1992 and 1994.
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 07:03 AM   #53
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do U have some problem with me?

youre trying to say that there isnt exist poverty in Moscow? HAHAHA all big cities have poverty.. and moscow isnt exception.

and i dont know the difference between beeing filmed 12 years ago.. or at present day... the poverty probably is the same from then to now..

poverty problem is a thing that changes veeeeeery slowly. in moscow.. or any part of the world.

btw: i loved the art in stations (hope you dont find this post ofensive, too )
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 12:41 PM   #54
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do U have some problem with me?

youre trying to say that there isnt exist poverty in Moscow? HAHAHA all big cities have poverty.. and moscow isnt exception.

and i dont know the difference between beeing filmed 12 years ago.. or at present day... the poverty probably is the same from then to now..

poverty problem is a thing that changes veeeeeery slowly. in moscow.. or any part of the world.

btw: i loved the art in stations (hope you dont find this post ofensive, too )
if you don't know, then just don't say
russia isn't any part of the world, like other current 2nd world countries and has huge economic growth.
there was deep economic crisis in 1980's and post effects in 1990's. and huge growth since 1999 in 6%-10% every year. poverty in whole russia droped from 50% in 1998 (results of global crisis) to 17% in 2005 and will be 15% in 2006.
as of moscow. ppp grp per capita in moscow in 1994 was $9800, in 2006 - $28000. being much wealthier moscow is always was a main goal for homeless and poor people from all eastern europe, ex ussr countries and other russian regions. and moscow spends tones of moneys on them every year. last years number of homeless children in moscow decreased significantly. from 50000 to 15000. last figure is quite normal for 14mln agglomereation. but it doesn't matter since almost all of them are not muscovites. as of muscovites - there is almost no poverty. moscow spend $6bln every year for social care. what else city in the world spend more? poorest classes (almost only pensioners) have free public transport, health care, social discounts in shops, 400% addition to federal pension etc. also social programs include free flats, free cars etc etc etc.
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 04:15 PM   #55
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cool this video

i like the art in some stations.

btw: it seems there are to much poverty in moscow....
As coth pointed out, standards of living have improved in the last 10-12 years. But I would agree that there is "too much poverty", if only because I really do not know how to define "too much poverty". How much is not too much? In a capitalist economy poverty cannot be eliminated completely in principle, and megapolices like Moscow naturally attract homeless people from all over the country.

Many Russians would love to have socialist-like capitalist economy similar to Sweden but that sure is going to take some time.
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 09:29 PM   #56
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coth is funny you saying me to dont talk what i dont know.. i though you've done the same thing in other thread (and im not talking about the history of tram/metro)

anm: but i dont said that russia is a bunch of poor ppl.. i've said that i liked very much some stations of russia metro system but its a pitty that also have too much poverty in there... i never seen nobody without shoes.. (i think its an example of extreme poverty dont wearing shoes in a city) but i think i've not been ofensive
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Old August 4th, 2006, 03:36 AM   #57
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coth is funny you saying me to dont talk what i dont know.. i though you've done the same thing in other thread (and im not talking about the history of tram/metro)

anm: but i dont said that russia is a bunch of poor ppl.. i've said that i liked very much some stations of russia metro system but its a pitty that also have too much poverty in there... i never seen nobody without shoes.. (i think its an example of extreme poverty dont wearing shoes in a city) but i think i've not been ofensive
i don't know what is history of tram/metro. i suppose you talking about the case when you tried to present usual tram as metro train.

and i'll repeat. there is no poverty.

and this:
-being much wealthier moscow is always was a main goal for homeless and poor people from all eastern europe, ex ussr countries and other russian regions.
-it doesn't matter since almost all of them are not muscovites.
-megapolices like Moscow naturally attract homeless people from all over the country.
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Old August 4th, 2006, 06:43 PM   #58
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2coth ehm "no poverty" thats bit exaggerating...of course there is some...but much less than before...and police doesn't particularly "encourage" them to enter metro.
Все бабульки, что милостыни все еще просят - "понаехали тут"?)))) Своих, московских, тоже пока хватает.
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Old August 4th, 2006, 07:03 PM   #59
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ну касательно милостыни - то бабульки не свои - не московкие. и работают они на криминал. просто люди приезжают - у них там под предлогом каким-нибудь отбирают пасспорт и заставляют ходить. криминал этот тоже не московский.
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Old August 4th, 2006, 07:54 PM   #60
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По данным 2004 г. 25% бездомных Москвы - москвичи.
http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/2004/0181/analit01.php
За пару лет всем им квартиры подарить не могли.
Доля нищих москвичей с жильем несомненно гораздо выше.
Так что не все так гладко как хочется думать при взгляде на растущую фед-ю
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