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Old July 10th, 2010, 10:23 PM   #821
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There is simply no place for it in the slope. Second parallel tunnel is way too expensive. There are still many station lucks second entrances, because of no labor force and money to build them. There is a long plan of construction for them. It's much cheaper to have a special people who will help those who needs a help on escalators. And there is actually free social taxi in Moscow.
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Old July 10th, 2010, 11:24 PM   #822
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This is not about disabled people, but the most common case is a person with kid's stroller
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Old July 11th, 2010, 02:30 AM   #823
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Nice pictures, great metro!
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Old July 11th, 2010, 03:05 AM   #824
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The elevator doesn't exactly need to be located next to the entrance on the surface. It just needs to be located on the platform underground, and whereever it gets out on the surface is good.
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Old July 11th, 2010, 10:39 AM   #825
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In most of cases it would require demolition of old buildings then.
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Old July 11th, 2010, 12:58 PM   #826
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Not if you build an inclinator alongside the escalators, they use this solution in Stockholm for example.
There should be not less than 4 escalators. The elevator in Stockholm take place of one escalator.
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Old July 11th, 2010, 01:00 PM   #827
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and whereever it gets out on the surface is good.
In the basement of the building, far, far from the main entrance?
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Old July 11th, 2010, 05:50 PM   #828
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As I said it doesn't need to be near the main entrance. Why would it need to be near the escalators-entrance to the station, does it lose something of its functionality by being 50 meters away from it? What does the main entrance for walking people have to do with the wheelchair or trolley people? Their main entrance will be wherever the elevator is. As long as it is technically possible to get it out on the street and the area over the station is not entirely covered by buildings over its whole lenght, I say it would be a good thing. Of course it would be very hard to do this at old stations, but when they build a new station or completely renovate an old station where it would be possible, it would be something they should not forget. You guys can invent excuses all you want, but if god-forbid one of you ever breaks a leg and comes into the situation where you would need an elevator to be able to use the metro, you will understand what I am talking about.
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Old July 11th, 2010, 10:57 PM   #829
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Some pics of newer moscow metro trains:

81-720 'Yauza' (not in production any more)
http://metro-photo.ru/%D1%8F%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%B0

81-740 'Rusich'
http://metro-photo.ru/81-740.4

81-760 - the newest one.Production will start in 2010.
http://metro-photo.ru/81-760
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Old July 12th, 2010, 11:30 PM   #831
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Old July 12th, 2010, 11:54 PM   #832
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There is simply no place for it in the slope. Second parallel tunnel is way too expensive. There are still many station lucks second entrances, because of no labor force and money to build them. There is a long plan of construction for them. It's much cheaper to have a special people who will help those who needs a help on escalators. And there is actually free social taxi in Moscow.
Isn't Moscow the city with the highest city bidget in the world ? And then you say that the city can't afford elevators for disabled people ?

Last time when I was in the Moscow metro I had this experience of no elevators. I had a lot of luggage with me and I had to walk to another platform by stairs! There were no elevators or escalators in place ! It's just very uncomfortable and I am sure that Moscow has the money for it, but the money ends up at the wrong place
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Old July 13th, 2010, 12:32 AM   #833
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It's still needs 400km of metro and hundreds km of roads, so there are more prioritized needs to spend money on.
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Old July 13th, 2010, 04:58 AM   #834
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Well, maybe the'll only be able to afford 398km's of metro if they put in escalators and elevators where they are lacking
As I said, its easy to invent excuses when it's not you that can't use the metro because you can't access it at all or need 15minutes to get to the platform.
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Old July 13th, 2010, 05:02 PM   #836
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In this day and age, escalators and elevators are no luxury, they are standard equipment for every station. It's not 1915 anymore. And of course they are more expensive than just plain concrete stairs, but they're not "SO expensive". If they can afford to build 400km's of metro and make each station look over-the-top monumental like its 1949 and everything from workforce to material is almost for free, then they can, and have, to afford escalators and elevators.
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Old July 13th, 2010, 06:44 PM   #837
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In this day and age, escalators and elevators are no luxury, they are standard equipment for every station. It's not 1915 anymore. And of course they are more expensive than just plain concrete stairs, but they're not "SO expensive". If they can afford to build 400km's of metro and make each station look over-the-top monumental like its 1949 and everything from workforce to material is almost for free, then they can, and have, to afford escalators and elevators.
That is not only a problem in Russian subways but also on Russian train stations.

Russian train stations (Kazan)



European trainstations (Lausanne, Switzerland)

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imagine if you need to switch from platform on Russian stations if you are disabled or carrying lot of luggage with you
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Old July 13th, 2010, 09:30 PM   #838
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That's exactly my point. Not only people in wheelchairs have problems, but also people with child-trolleys, people with children and luggage, people with a lot of luggage, old people who can hardly walk and especially can't walk stairs, older people or weaker people like women with even a normal amount of luggage, people who broke a leg or have some other injury and walk with crutches, there are hundreds if not thousands of people using every station daily which fall into these categories. And those are also paying customers and should get access.
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Old July 13th, 2010, 10:24 PM   #839
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In most countries for any new station it is required to be disabled friendly.
It mean that we cannot build new metro station without several lifts.
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That's exactly my point. Not only people in wheelchairs have problems, but also people with child-trolleys, people with children and luggage, people with a lot of luggage, old people who can hardly walk and especially can't walk stairs, older people or weaker people like women with even a normal amount of luggage, people who broke a leg or have some other injury and walk with crutches, there are hundreds if not thousands of people using every station daily which fall into these categories. And those are also paying customers and should get access.
I have read somewhere that Moscow wants to make it's subway more friendly for disabled people and elderly people. Luzkov (mayor of Moscow) came with this plans, but who knows when his words will be reality. And what about other Russian cities ?

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