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Old November 29th, 2011, 10:31 PM   #1341
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Yes. It is useless to discuss with people who do not have any submission about the subject of conversation.

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Old November 29th, 2011, 11:43 PM   #1342
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"Metrowagonmash" company can't produce 4000 new wagons within one year.
Where have you read that "Metrowagonmash" needs to produce it within a year?
Not from me I hope.

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Old November 30th, 2011, 02:20 AM   #1343
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and what is so modern about this interior comparing to 81-740 and 81-760 series?
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Old November 30th, 2011, 04:04 AM   #1344
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My comment was directed at the Frenchman, not at you. I should have checked that.

Anyway, those Paris trains look ugly and the rainbow seating is better suited for Miami or Honolulu.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 04:31 AM   #1345
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And, an interesting quirk I've noticed in Moscow but nowhere else is that the doors of the train start opening one or two seconds prior to the train coming to a full stop, so that by the time the train is fully in the station and ready for passengers to enter and exit, the doors are already fully open. From one-way transfer corridors to reversible third escalators to advance-opening doors, the Moscow Metro has many innovative solutions to dealing with crush loads of passengers.
Doors opening before trains stop occurs on both LU and the Paris Metro. Although on the former it is not consistent and is dependent on the driver.

Also London has plenty of one way interchange corridors, and it has plenty of reversible escalators; these are not unique to the Moscow Metro.

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LU might be slightly more comfortable, but looks exactly the same, except seats, but their seats are not reliable.
How exactly?
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Old November 30th, 2011, 04:45 AM   #1346
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never saw doors opening that quickly on LU. Beijing also has one-way corridors. Moscow is not too unique in these regards. I guess I'm basing my comparison to US metros.

In other news, it was announced 29 Nov 2011 that the station under construction on the southeast end of Line 2 (Brateyevo) will now be known as Alma-Atinskaya in honor of the former Kazakh capital:

source: www.interfax.ru/moscow/news.asp?id=218997

I now present some photos of Brateyevo/Alma-Atinskaya construction, posted today by liverjournal account russos, one of Russia's foremost metro bloggers.

source: http://russos.livejournal.com/891065.html

In his liverjournal entry, russos writes that he doesn't understand why there is a need for a metro station in this area. By curving the line back towards the city center, he writes, we defeat the opportunity to extend this line past MKAD (Moscow outer beltway). It is possible to connect the Brateyevo district by tram lines to Mar'ino or Krasnogvardeyskaya stations instead, he adds.













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Old November 30th, 2011, 04:48 AM   #1347
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I would rather use the term of "modernity" rather than beauty sorry:

Line E Paris RER:

Metro Line 14 Paris

Line 11 paris
Oh please! Althoigh I almost love Paris metro, I find those trains one of the ugliest in the world. Anything modern about RER E trains? I really don't see. MP 89 are not either. MF-05, yes, it's nice and sleek.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 06:40 AM   #1348
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Easier to vandalize - more expensive and longer to replace
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Old November 30th, 2011, 06:54 AM   #1349
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I now present some photos of Brateyevo/Alma-Atinskaya construction, posted today by liverjournal account russos, one of Russia's foremost metro bloggers.

source: http://russos.livejournal.com/891065.html
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In other news, it was announced 29 Nov 2011 that the station under construction on the southeast end of Line 2 (Brateyevo) will now be known as Alma-Atinskaya in honor of the former Kazakh capital
I should add, that it will made in the honour of legendary Panfilov Division, which was formed in Almaty. This division saved Russian capital from Nazis during Battle of Moscow 1941. Also, future station of second stage in Almaty will be named in the honour of Moscow.

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In his liverjournal entry, russos writes that he doesn't understand why there is a need for a metro station in this area. By curving the line back towards the city center, he writes, we defeat the opportunity to extend this line past MKAD (Moscow outer beltway). It is possible to connect the Brateyevo district by tram lines to Mar'ino or Krasnogvardeyskaya stations instead, he adds.
How I read in the comments to Russos's post, there must be built depot "Brateyevo" beyond the "Alma-Atinskaya" station. So, this station will be addition to the depot. Moreover, there is bad organiztion of transport communication - it's need to build bridge for the possible tramline.

By the way, Metro in Almaty (Alma-Ata) will be opened on December 1, in one day with Moscow stations. So, I congratulate our Kazakh neighbors in advance!
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Old November 30th, 2011, 01:09 PM   #1350
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and what is so modern about this interior comparing to 81-740 and 81-760 series?
I think you should come and test it. It's better when you use them

I i have the chance to visit moscow i 'll try to test yours


@AlekseyVt-> thank you for your precisions
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Old November 30th, 2011, 02:36 PM   #1351
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By the way, Metro in Almaty (Alma-Ata) will be opened on December 1, in one day with Moscow stations. So, I congratulate our Kazakh neighbors in advance!
It's seem that here I was wrong - according to latest information, stations in Moscow will be open on December 2, next day after opening of Almaty Metro. There will be regional elections on December 4. Therefore, according to law, pre-election campaigning will be banned on December 3 and December 4.

It's very sad to me - December 2 is my birthday. Therefore, I will be busy this day and I will no able to go on the opening
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It's seem that here I was wrong - according to latest information, stations in Moscow will be open on December 2, next day after opening of Almaty Metro. There will be regional elections on December 4. Therefore, according to law, pre-election campaigning will be banned on December 3 and December 4.

It's very sad to me - December 2 is my birthday. Therefore, I will be busy this day and I will no able to go on the opening
According to the latest news in Rossiyskaya Gazeta, Volgograd metrotram extension will open on 1 Dec 2011, one day prior to the Moscow opening.

http://www.rg.ru/2011/11/30/reg-ufo/...ram-anons.html

A flurry of pre-election metro openings this year in Russia (as usual).
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Old November 30th, 2011, 05:15 PM   #1353
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A flurry of pre-election metro openings this year in Russia (as usual).
No, it's unusual. I don't remember such situation during previous pre-election campaigns. Usually they want to open stations before New Year or other national holidays.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 06:27 PM   #1354
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I think you should come and test it. It's better when you use them

I i have the chance to visit moscow i 'll try to test yours
Here I agree with you. It always better to have personal exprerience.

I was been in Paris two years ago and used Metro few times. Unfortunately, I don't used automated Line 14 (I'm only visited station "Madeleine" to seeing Russian stained-glass "Ryaba ****" ). I don't took many attention on the type of trains, because there are many interesting places in Paris.

But my impression for the trips by Metro was negative. After long walking, I wanted to have rest in the wagons, but I could not do this. The problem what I'm tall guy and have some problems with my spine. The configuration of seats in trains was that I couldn't correctly fix my body, so it led to the pressure for my spin. In addition, my legs are also long, so it was problem to keep distance from the legs of passenger in opposite seat (who seated face-to-face to me).

Today, it hard for me to remember all lines, which I used in Paris. But I exactly used Line 7 (my hotel was near Cadet station) and line to Defense District. I really don't know how old is rolling stock at these lines and how better the trains at Line 14 or other lines, but my impression from the trip in these trains was bad.

As for other European cities - I was been in the subways of London, Madrid, Barcelona, Roma, Milano, Lisboa, Amsterdam. In general, I can't write something bad about the trains in these cities. But I didn't see any technical superiority of rolling stock in these subways comparing with new rolling stock in Moscow (although I didn't used automated line in Barcelona). For me, it's almost similar level. Of course, I can't say that Rusich trains are best in the world. But for me, it's good solution in conditions of huge traffic in Moscow Metro.

In general, this comparison of rolling stock was raised many times in SSC. I dislike such discussions, because it's long and almost useless deal. Therefore, I'm sorry that I wrote so many posts about this theme. Let's better come back to the actual news.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 08:03 PM   #1355
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Well, I have had the chance to test it, being to Paris over 15 times. Paris trains are not "more modern" or more convenient or just more beautiful than Moscow Russiches.
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Alexey, it's not a ****, but a hen

I was in Paris in July and saw this panneau. Many pictures are to come but I'm very, very short of time. I should say, Paris entrance in Moscow is much more serious and interesting then this ugly Ryaba hen...
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Old November 30th, 2011, 08:17 PM   #1357
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Alexey, it's not a ****, but a hen
Thanks for correction! I was really confused with translation

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I was in Paris in July and saw this panneau. Many pictures are to come but I'm very, very short of time. I should say, Paris entrance in Moscow is much more serious and interesting then this ugly Ryaba hen...
It's matter of taste. Yes, Paris-style entrance at the "Kievskaya" station is really good addition to the architecture of Moscow Metro, but French artists were no original in this. They only made copy of existing entrances. For me, this stained-glass is really interesting and I'm not against to see copy of this at the one of future Moscow Metro stations (although there are almost no chances on this).

Just my personal opinion.
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same carbon copy design. Can you find any differences between Paris-style entrances in Chicago and Moscow?

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%...kaya-entry.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Va...n_entrance.jpg
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Doors opening before trains stop occurs on both LU and the Paris Metro
... and Montreal's fleets automatically, once speed decelerates to 0.72Km/hr (0.2m/sec).
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never saw doors opening that quickly on LU.
Seen it happen on all rolling stock apart from the 1996 Stock and the 1992 Stock. Like I said, some drivers open the doors quicker than others.

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Never have I seen a seat vandalised in my two decades of using LU. I'm sure the benefits of comfier seats outweigh the greater chance of vandalisation.
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