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Old September 17th, 2012, 08:22 AM   #1701
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I hope to, and i hope the new expansion to Moscow include express lines to center. (i think they can use cut and cover and put 4 rails there)
Well, there is an Iidea of building cut-and cover 2 track subway for exprees passengers and then building 2 tracks of rapid tram above that - http://slon.ru/economics/transport_b...o-827240.xhtml
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Old September 17th, 2012, 09:00 AM   #1702
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I get "Произошел технический сбой." :/

Now works

I see the plans very interesting but with the knowledge of the big jams of Moscow idk if surface transport is a good idea.
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Old September 18th, 2012, 10:25 AM   #1703
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Construction site of Lomonosovsky prospekt station. They're reorganising the directions of road traffic nearby and putting new asphalt coverage. According to plans, Michurinsky avenue will be closed for vehicle traffic letting only 902 Express Bus through.

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Expanding Lomonosovsky avenue, new asphalt being put right close to freshly planted flowers:


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Michurinsky avenue - downtown direction, the view taken southwards:


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A new exit from Lomonosovsky avenue side way. Before, only a right turn was available:


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The side was is getting wider as well:


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The traffic light right in the middle looks funny:


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Pedestrians have to cross Lomonosovsky avenue on a temporary passage:


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Old September 18th, 2012, 10:27 AM   #1704
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Yeah, that's totally true. But metro also have a number of extra passengers that travels a longer and less effective way through metro (like radial+ring+radial) because of congestions and lack of bus|trolley|tram separation.
I guess we can neglect this number. They're nothing in terms of the total number of passengers.
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Old September 18th, 2012, 12:22 PM   #1705
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I guess we can neglect this number. They're nothing in terms of the total number of passengers.
Your really shouldn't. Soviet-style 8-car meto can handle 60 000-70 000 passengers per hour, while tram, with proper track separation and traffic light priority can handle up to 20 000 passengers per hour. That's about 1/3... So you can attract those passengers, who need to travel one or two stations to the tram, so there will be more space for passengers who travel really far, or you can attract people for direct tram routes between two metro stations of different lines (easing congestion on transfer station). Trolley bus and bus can handle maybe up to 7 000 - again, on dedicated bus lanes.
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Old September 18th, 2012, 02:11 PM   #1706
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While in Europe metros are generally not much "heavier" than buses and trams. There average speed is also comparable.
In denser cities like Paris, London, Rome och Barcelona the buses run at 11-12km/h on average, in less dense cities like in northern eurorpe say Berlin, they run at 13-14km/h on average.

There are as far a I know not any metrosystem in Europe that operate below 25km/h on average.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 07:44 PM   #1707
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In denser cities like Paris, London, Rome och Barcelona the buses run at 11-12km/h on average, in less dense cities like in northern eurorpe say Berlin, they run at 13-14km/h on average.

There are as far a I know not any metrosystem in Europe that operate below 25km/h on average.
Well, in Paris there are lots of reserved lines for buses, so I guess they run faster. As of metro, in Moscow the average speed in metro is 41 - 42 km/h which is way more than 25...
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Old September 19th, 2012, 07:48 PM   #1708
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Your really shouldn't. Soviet-style 8-car meto can handle 60 000-70 000 passengers per hour, while tram, with proper track separation and traffic light priority can handle up to 20 000 passengers per hour. That's about 1/3... So you can attract those passengers, who need to travel one or two stations to the tram, so there will be more space for passengers who travel really far, or you can attract people for direct tram routes between two metro stations of different lines (easing congestion on transfer station). Trolley bus and bus can handle maybe up to 7 000 - again, on dedicated bus lanes.
When you say "Soviet metro cars" then say "soviet trams" and they are far from being able to ensure 20 000 passengers per hour. Once again, don't forget about the average speed. It's hard to compete with metro when it is 40 - 42 km/h.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 09:55 PM   #1709
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When you say "Soviet metro cars" then say "soviet trams" and they are far from being able to ensure 20 000 passengers per hour. Once again, don't forget about the average speed. It's hard to compete with metro when it is 40 - 42 km/h.
Firstly - I don't pretend that tram have greater capacity or speed than a metro - it doesn't. It can't take away most of metro passengers, but it can take away considerable share of them. A) When travelling for short distances (1-2 station) people are forced to go down all the way to platforms, and then up again (on deep stations that could be as long as the actual ride!) while on tram stop you just board the next tram. You can build a tramway or organise a bus/trolleybus lane between two stations of different radial lines, so some people wouldn't be forced to go via overloaded ring line.

Secondly, Soviet metro are superior in terms of its capabilities, and I don't see much space for improvement here, at least on existing lines (for reasonable price, at least), while soviet-style Moscow tram system still have a lot room for relatively cheap and effective improvements - like turnstile removal, restricting car access to the tram track, intellectual traffic lights... And then come more expensive measurs: reconstruction of existing lines and adding new, grade separation of critical tram nodes, better transfer-hubs from metro to tram (and vice versa). This measures require money, but that would be cheaper than building new subway lines parallel to existing or lengthening
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Old September 24th, 2012, 08:46 PM   #1710
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Communication network removal / moving at Lomonossovsky prospekt station construction site.

Throughout the square they have made holes like that:


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Pedestrian crossing across Lomonossovsky Avenue:


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Michurinsky Avenue:


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Lots of road signs. One that I didn't manage to take a picture of, said part of Michurinsky Avenue was going to close for traffic.


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The park with Mahatma Ghandi monument. Didn't check if they'd removed it or not.


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Nice things and mud are neighbours:


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Temporary and permanent traffic marking:


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Old September 27th, 2012, 06:06 AM   #1711
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I am so in love with the Moscow Metro!!!
I hope all it's projects are completed.

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On Line 3 Pyatninskoe Shosse in U/C and Rozhdestveno, a surface station is approved, and Maroseyka has been Approved.
On Line 10 the Maryina Roshca-Beskudnikovsky Extension is Approved.
On Line 2 Alma-Atinskaya Station is U/C along with TekhnoPark.
On Line 9 Zhulebino and Lermontovsky Prospect are U/C.
On Line 12 (L1) Bitsevsky Park, Ulitsa Staropotakovskaya, Ulitsa Ostafyevskaya, and Novokuryanovo are Approved.
Line 13 (Solntsevskaya) has been Proposed.
On Line 8 the Tretyakovskaya-Mitino extension has been Proposed.
On Line 6 Yakimanka has been Approved.
On Line 5 Suvorovskaya has been started but postponed.
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Rozhdestveno is years and years away from to be approved. It's only potential plan for a place of potentially future district. There are no plans to build it at the moment. Instead it they built Pyatnitskoye shosse closer to existent developed area.

Techno Park is no u/c at the moment

There is no such thing like Line 13 and Tret'yakovskaya-Mitino extension of Line 8. Line 8 is now going to Solntsevo. It is Kalininsko-Solntsevskaya Line. But not going at the moment. Currently it's being extended to Ramenki. Extension to Solntsevo is not in plans at all.





Currently U/C

Arbatsko-Pokrovskaya Line (3): Pyatnitskoye shosse
Zamoskvoretskaya Line (2): Alma-Atinskaya
Tagansko-Krasnopresnenskaya Line (6): Lermontovsky prospekt, Zhulebino, Kotel'niki
Butovskaya Line (L1): Lesoparkovaya, Bitsevky Park
TPK: Nizhnyaya Maslovka, Petrovsky park, Khodynskoye pole, Khoroshyovskaya, Shelepikha, Delovoy Center
Kalininsko-Solntsevskaya Line (8): Delovoy Center, Park Pobedy, Lomonosovky prospekt, Ramenki
Sokol'nicheskaya Line (1): Troparyovo
Lyublinsko-Dmitrovkaya Line (10): Butyrskaya, Fonvizinskaya, Petrovsko-Razumovskaya, Okruzhnaya, Verkhniye Likhobory, Seligerskaya
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On Line 3 Pyatninskoe Shosse in U/C and Rozhdestveno, a surface station is approved, and Maroseyka has been Approved.
On Line 10 the Maryina Roshca-Beskudnikovsky Extension is Approved.
On Line 2 Alma-Atinskaya Station is U/C along with TekhnoPark.
On Line 9 Zhulebino and Lermontovsky Prospect are U/C.
On Line 12 (L1) Bitsevsky Park, Ulitsa Staropotakovskaya, Ulitsa Ostafyevskaya, and Novokuryanovo are Approved.
Line 13 (Solntsevskaya) has been Proposed.
On Line 8 the Tretyakovskaya-Mitino extension has been Proposed.
On Line 6 Yakimanka has been Approved.
On Line 5 Suvorovskaya has been started but postponed.
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This is some old info you've got there, Okay, let's see:

Line 3: Pyatnitskoye Shosse is u/c and is set to open at the end of the year, Rozhedstveno will not be built in near future, same for Maroseyka.
Line 10: Maryina Roshcha - Petrovsko-Razumovskaya - Seligerskaya extension is u/c, but many problems occur and it is rumored that one or two stations (of six new total) may be left unfinished and constructed some time later; official plans state 2014 as completion time for this project.
Line 2: Alma-Atinskaya is u/c and will probably open also at the end of the year. Tekhnopark is currently only in plans.
Line 7 (not 9): correct, Zhulebino and Lermontovskiy Prospekt construction is underway, also there are pland to finish the construction and open the station Spartak which has been constructed in the 70s without entrances and never opened.
Line L1: extension to Bitsevskiy Park is currently being constructed and is set to open in 2014, no official plans to extend south to Novokuryanovo exist.
"Line 13": the Solntsevskaya Line is now a part of a proposed Solntsevsko-Kalininskaya Line, which will incorporate the existing Kalininskaya Line, pass through the center of the city, the International Business Center, Park Pobedy station and the Ramenki District and then head for the Solntsevo District. Currently preparations for IBC - Park Pobedy - Ramenki section construction are underway.
Line 8: no plans for extending Kalininskaya Line to Mitino District exist, its fate is described in the previous paragraph.
Line 6: nothing on Yakimanka station is mentioned in the official plans. Extension to Chelobityevo and possibly Mytishchi on the northern part of the line will probably start soon.
Line 5: Suvorovskaya station is u/c, but the progress is quite slow, considering the difficulty of constructing a deep-level station on an operating line.
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Currently U/C
How much kms?
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how many cars does a train have? what is the length of the trains? what gauge is used?
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For the 2 1st questions, it varies, idk aproximate numbers, for the last, Russian gauge.
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how many cars does a train have?
It depends from the line and type of trains:
Line 2, Line 6, Line 9 - 8 cars ("Nomernoy" train);
Line 7 - 8 cars (Ezh3 train);
Line 8 - 8 cars ("Nomernoy" and "Oka" trains);
Line 10 - 8 cars ("Nomernoy" and "Yauza" trains);
Line 1 - 7 cars ("Nomernoy" train);
Line 11 - 6 cars ("Nomernoy" and "Yauza" trains);
Line 3 - 5 cars ("Rusich" train);
Line 5 - 5 cars ("Rusich" train);
Line 4 - 4 cars ("Rusich" train) or 6 cars ("Nomernoy" train);
Line L1 - 3 cars ("Rusich" train).

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what is the length of the trains?
Ezh3 train: 19.210 m (car length);
"Nomernoy" train: 19.206 m (car length);
"Yauza" train: 20 m (head car length) and 19.210 m (intermediate car length);
"Rusich" train: 28.15 m (head car length) and 27.2 m (intermediate car length);
"Oka" train: 20.12 m (head car length) and 19.14 m (intermediate car length).

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1520 (1524) mm, which is standard broad gauge in Russia (also for railways and tramlines).

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why extend to Novokuryanovo? Who lives there in the loop?
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A depot should (have) be(en) there.
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