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Old June 17th, 2005, 10:28 PM   #181
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It should NOT go to StanleyPark but EnglishBay. You build transit lines to serve the passengers not the touristy area. That is where you get the ridership and it would also be better for EnglishBay events if want to serve the tourists. Serve the people who use the system not the few who want to get to a park and won't walk 3 blocks.

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Old June 17th, 2005, 11:12 PM   #182
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I heard that the street car will have its own right of way in some places.

BTW did has any one heard the full plans for the NE LRT? Apparently along strech will be under ground(yellow line on below map) and it will be grade seperated most of the way. When it does meet traffic it will automaticly change the lights so the train can go through with out stopping.


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Old June 18th, 2005, 01:21 AM   #183
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What about the Robson St. corridor? Why has it been neglected in the streetcar plans? It is like the main NW-SE corridor within the downtown peninsula, and connects major points of interest, such as the stadiums, the library, the Yaletown district, the Robson RAV station, the downtown core, Robson Square, the art gallery, the Robsonstrasse shopping district and the West End. Maybe it should have a line that'll bend and head SW along Denman towards the beach.

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Old June 18th, 2005, 01:43 AM   #184
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RAV LINE OPEN HOUSES • JUNE 2005

Opportunity for Community Input on Preliminary Design of RAV Line Stations (Richmond and Vancouver)

Public Open Houses are being held to gather community input on preliminary design options for the RAV Line stations in Richmond and Vancouver as well as the Operations and Maintenance Centre. The cities of Vancouver and Richmond will also have materials for public review regarding the areas adjacent to stations.

In addition to RAVCO’s June public consultation program, InTransitBC (the company selected to design, build, operate, maintain and partially finance the Line) will undertake further public consultation in conjunction with the Design Advisory Process, beginning in Fall 2005.


Open House Schedule – June 2005
June 22 6:30-9:30pm Vancouver Open House
Holiday Inn 1110 Howe & Helmcken, Vancouver

June 25 10am-1:00pm Vancouver Open House
Plaza 500 12th & Cambie, Vancouver

June 25 2:00-5:00pm Richmond Open House
Richmond Inn Conference Centre 7551 Westminster Highway, Richmond

June 27 6:30-9:30pm Richmond Open House
Radisson President Hotel 8181 Cambie, Richmond


The RAV Line is a significant element in the Greater Vancouver’s regional transportation network, and will provide additional transportation capacity equivalent to 10 arterial road lanes in a dense corridor where expanding roads and bridges is neither practical nor desirable. This additional capacity will address congestion and make growth in these centres more manageable,
boosting our cities’ livability, sustainability and competitiveness.

The RAV Line will include 17 stations, and provision for three future stations located to serve the dense and growing neighbourhoods along the corridor and will connect with the existing Expo and Millennium rapid transit lines, WestCoast Express and SeaBus at Waterfront Station.

The Governments of Canada and British Columbia, the Greater Vancouver Transportation Authority (TransLink), the Vancouver International Airport Authority and InTransitBC are funding this project, which is also endorsed by the Cities of Vancouver and Richmond. RAV Project Management Ltd. (RAVCO) was created specifically to oversee procurement, design, construction and
implementation of the project.

For more information about the RAV Line:
Web: www.ravprapidtransit.com Email: [email protected]
Tel: 604.484-7287 Fax: 604.484-6799

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June 16, 2005
Upcoming TransLink Board Meeting


Here are some of the newsworthy items and reports on the agenda for the June 22 meeting of the TransLink Board of Directors:

Golden Ears Bridge – Master Agreement
Staff is seeking authorization from the board to enter into a five-party agreement with the Township of Langley, District of Maple Ridge, District of Pitt Meadows, and City of Surrey in relation to the Golden Ears Bridge Project. The agreement would define the scope and standards of the project and establish the responsibilities and obligations of all parties.

Parking Tax Bylaw
The board will be asked to approve a bylaw that is required to enable the creation of a parking site roll. When the parking site roll has been completed, this bylaw and a final determined tax rate will be forwarded to the Greater Vancouver Regional District for ratification. The tax will help finance major transportation improvements approved as part of TransLink’s 2005-2007 Three-Year Plan and 10-Year Outlook.

Recent Trends in Travel Characteristics: Analysis of the 2004 Greater Vancouver Trip Diary Survey
The report summarizes the results of the Trip Diary Survey that was conducted in cooperation with the Ministry of Transportation in 2004. Some of the key findings include:

Total daily trips made by Greater Vancouver Regional District residents grew from 5.5 million in 1999 to 6.4 million in 2004 – a 16.5 per cent increase.

Travel during the midday period (9:30 a.m. to 3:30 p.m.) grew significantly and accounted for 34.6 per cent of daily trips in the 2004 survey.

Trip patterns are more dispersed across the region. The growth in population and employment outside the urban core may account for the increasing complexity of people’s travel.

Transit Capacity Study
A recent Transit Capacity Study confirmed that customers are experiencing extreme levels of crowding on a number of bus routes throughout the region. SkyTrain service at Broadway Station is also at maximum capacity. To meet the demand, staff is proposing to accelerate bus purchases in 2006 and 2007 by advancing the delivery of 50 buses originally slated to arrive in 2008 and 2009. This would allow for additional hours of bus service to be introduced sooner. Staff is also recommending a study to investigate the feasibility of advancing the delivery date of 34 SkyTrain cars to 2008 from 2009.


Minor Fare Zone Amendments: Lions Bay, Annacis Island and Bowen Island
Staff is seeking authorization for minor amendments to the Transit Tariff to address fare-zone boundary anomalies between Lions Bay and West Vancouver; Annacis Island and Delta; Bowen Island and West Vancouver. The proposed changes would lower transit fares and offer some potential for slight increases in local ridership.

2005 Capital Program Projects: Specific Project Approval
The board will be asked to provide Step 2 Specific Project Approval for the following capital projects:

$350,000 for a study to determine the suitability of using automatic passengers counters to measure demand on all modes of transit. The counters are currently being installed on 15 per cent of the bus fleet and the study will assess the benefits of expanding the technology to SkyTrain, SeaBus, West Coast Express and Community Shuttles.

$400,000 for repairs to mitigate problems with soil settlement at Scott Road Station. The money would also go towards developing an ongoing monitoring and maintenance program.

First Quarter 2005 Transit System Ridership
Transit ridership increased by 1.5 per cent during the first four months of 2005, matching TransLink’s budget projection. The growth reflected gains in U-Pass ridership, new ridership attracted by bus service improvements, and increased transit use due to higher gas prices, although the January fare change had a temporary dampening effect on the growth.

The TransLink Board meeting will take place at 9 a.m. on Wednesday, June 22, at the New Westminster Municipal Hall, 511 Royal Ave., New Westminster.
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Old June 18th, 2005, 03:29 AM   #185
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A good map of the entire system in 2009

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Old June 18th, 2005, 03:39 AM   #186
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^ I say the branch of the RAV Line going towards Richmond Center should be called the Olympic Line. The one going towards the airport can be called the Canada Line.

If not, then the Olympic name should be given to the NES Line and not left to waste, though it wouldn't be very fitting, since there are no Olympic Venues in that region.
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Old June 18th, 2005, 04:35 AM   #187
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Is it just me or does KGB somehow always likes to turn things that are positive for Vancouver into negative things.
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Old June 18th, 2005, 05:15 AM   #188
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Does anybody else also think Willingdon Avenue in Burnaby, between Brentwood and Metrotown Malls, with BCIT inbetween, would be another good corridor to run a streetcar along?
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Old June 18th, 2005, 05:37 AM   #189
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"Is it just me or does KGB somehow always likes to turn things that are positive for Vancouver into negative things."


Can you be any more vague???

I'm not trying to "turn" anything. I just corrected some figures. I'm not the one trying to create some vague comparison of Skytrain and TTC subway frequencies, where Skytrains run every 45 seconds, and TTC subways run every 15 minutes. Who's the one making up stories here? Who brought up the anti-Toronto story here? How is correcting figures for TTC being negative about Vancouver?

I mean, I know you don't like it when anybody crashes the usual anti-Toronto parties, but start putting the blame where it belongs.




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Old June 18th, 2005, 07:00 AM   #190
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^ Exactly! Besides, mr X is just a 13 year old kid who does not know what he is talking about. He just bashed Toronto just for the hell of it even though its a far more superior city than Vancouver in terms of a lot of things but especially transit. What is there not to hate about Vancouver Transit, given that it is the single most contentious issue in the region. $1.7 billion on a single subway line under sparsely populated Cambie Corridor when an at grade or elevated system would do....honestly? WTF is that? Let the Westside Vancouver creme de la creme be damned!
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Old June 18th, 2005, 02:24 PM   #191
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^lol you sound like queetz.
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Old June 18th, 2005, 08:08 PM   #192
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I agree with Wally
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Old June 19th, 2005, 01:46 AM   #193
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wally
^ Exactly! Besides, mr X is just a 13 year old kid who does not know what he is talking about. He just bashed Toronto just for the hell of it even though its a far more superior city than Vancouver in terms of a lot of things but especially transit. What is there not to hate about Vancouver Transit, given that it is the single most contentious issue in the region. $1.7 billion on a single subway line under sparsely populated Cambie Corridor when an at grade or elevated system would do....honestly? WTF is that? Let the Westside Vancouver creme de la creme be damned!
Somebody's gotta get new material, it's getting quite old and outdated................and maybe it's because he actually IS queetz.
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Old June 19th, 2005, 01:53 AM   #194
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Transit overcrowded: report
PUBLIC TRANSPORT I TransLink urged to spend $50 million overnext three years

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Saturday, June 18, 2005



CREDIT: Steve Bosch, Vancouver Sun
Maxing out: TransLink is close to capacity in some key areas





GREATER VANCOUVER I Overcrowding on parts of Greater Vancouver's transit system has hit unacceptable levels and TransLink should spend more than $50 million over the next three years to expand service hours and get new buses on the road faster, says a report to the regional transportation authority.

Ridership has grown by more than 20 per cent over the last three years while the transit fleet grew by only 10 per cent, "resulting in increases in the level of crowding and in the number of customer complaints," the TransLink staff report says.

Key pressure points are SkyTrain between the Main Street and Broadway stations, which is operating at 99-per-cent capacity at peak hours and leaving passengers on the platform, and the often crowded 98 and 99 B-Line bus routes.

"Over-all, there is a growing view that the transit system is at or nearing capacity at some key times and locations," the report says.

"This is most noticeable on SkyTrain and on major bus routes such as the 98 and 99 B-Lines and bus routes serving universities and colleges.

"SkyTrain service between Broadway Station and Main Street Station is at maximum capacity, resulting in passengers experiencing crowded trains or pass-ups."

The report recommends TransLink expand service hours by 83,000 hours next year, another 26,000 hours in 2007 and an additional 48,000 hours in 2008 for a cumulative cost of $27.5 million.

It also suggests TransLink accelerate delivery of 50 new buses, getting them into service over the next two years instead of during 2008-09 as scheduled. That will cost $25.7 million in the next two years, but new-bus costs will be reduced by a similar amount in 2008-09.

The report says TransLink should also find out whether it can have 34 new SkyTrain cars delivered in 2008 instead of 2009 as scheduled.

Transit ridership is at its highest level in history, having recovered and more since the 2001 transit strike, the report says.

A study conducted in 2003 and 2004 found 10 transit corridors, especially those serving Vancouver, Richmond and the two universities, are significantly overcrowded. Another 23 corridors were moderately overcrowded, and 25 corridors marginally overcrowded.

However, SeaBus ridership is down as a result of the 2001 transit strike and reduced tourist traffic following the 9/11 terror attacks. West Coast Express ridership is still growing but the commuter train has no overcrowding problems.

The service-hours expansion, if approved by the TransLink board on Wednesday, will be the third in quick succession. Bus service was expanded by 106,000 hours a year starting this year under a three-year service plan. And in April, the TransLink board okayed another 72,000 hours.

TransLink expects total ridership to increase by 12.1 per cent over 2004 by 2007. It's getting off to a slow start this year with growth at a 1.5-per-cent clip in the firsts four months, but another staff report said that's due to last year' s fare increase.

The fare hike resulted in more people using prepaid tickets and passes to save money. Cash fares are down by 12 per cent from last year, and are now used for only 22 per cent of transit trips. TransLink expects that trend to continue.

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Maxing out: TransLink is close to capacity in some key areas

Last year, the TransLink system recorded some 275 million boardings, a 26-per-cent rise in ridership over 10 years earlier. Growth is attributed to the U-pass program, the new Millennium SkyTrain line, articulated B-line buses, higher frequency, and higher gasoline prices. SkyTrain riders above were among rush hour crowds Friday afternoon at the busy Commercial and Broadway station.

99%

Capacity utilization on SkyTrain's busiest stretch (Broadway Station to Main Street).

1,226

TransLink buses on the road in 2004. Overcrowding was found on 58 routes or corridors, mainly off peak.

2009

Year a third SeaBus will come into service. Ridership is well down from a peak of 535 boardings per hour in 1996.

1998

Biggest ridership year for the West Coast Express service. In four years out of the six since then, ridership fell.

Bus fleet upgrade: Shown below is number of buses to be added per year under recommended accelerated program, for a total of 220 new units.

2006: 55 (Existing plan: 25)

2007: 75 (55)

2008: 45 (70)

2009: 45 (70)

Source: GVTA planning department

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Old June 19th, 2005, 07:43 PM   #195
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That's not a very good position to be in....creating a transit mode and corridor that's over capacity for peak periods, and too little capacity off peak.





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Old June 19th, 2005, 08:11 PM   #196
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Its still good when it means higher ridership.
It is impressive that the SkyTrain is overcapacity considering that the trains run every 2 minutes in rush hour during those times. It is worth noting however that SkyTrain trains are simply to small.
The new MK11, although far superior to the MK1 only represent the same capacity as 3 MK1 cars.........a pretty small train. Its only equivalent to 2 articulated buses.
The platforms can easily accomodate 2 MK11 trains or 6 MK1s.
The service frequency is excellent its the lack of trains that is the problem.
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What is the capacity of the MKII and MKI trains?
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Old June 19th, 2005, 08:16 PM   #198
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BTW are those ridership number increases rider numbers or actual revenue ridership numbers. I know the UPass has been successful, which is great but they are extremly cheap so they probably make less on those rides then they did before it came in.
Still a good idea thou because it helpss the students and it is proven that the younger the people start using transit the more likely they are to continue ongoing.
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I think the fact that the Skytrain and Broadway B-Line buses are overcrowded is more reason to extend the Millenium line at least to Cambie. It would alleviate some of the traffic between Main St. and Broadway. Vancouver also needs some Rapid transit and rail system on the north shore. I think it would make a lot of sense to have a train that goes from Vancouver to Whistler. It could also serve Horshoe Bay and Squamish. Perhaps Vancouver should also consider congestion fees or car user fees like Singapore or London.
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Contest to name the New NE sector line (Now temporarily called Coquitlam Line)

http://www.translink.bc.ca/Plans_Pro...or/default.asp

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