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Old October 18th, 2007, 08:25 AM   #2021
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^well supposedly, TransLink said that if it would to implement a smart card system, it can scan within centimeters of the scanner. For instance, they would mount some scanning device on the back of a bus. You enter the back of the bus, and it would be able to scan it.

But I think the main concern is enforcement. TransLink needs better enforcement. Maybe even have the SkyTrain attendants to check tickets, not just the transit police. I see skytrain attendants everywhere but none ask for ticket.

Broadway station had some hanging bar with these black sensors on them (the pedestrian overpass between Broadway and Commercial). I asked TransLink what they were (i asked the urban showcase rep and the translink contact rep) and no answers were given yet...
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Old October 18th, 2007, 08:59 AM   #2022
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i can get into my office with a card - i don't even have to take the card out of my wallet and sometimes even your pocket but i don't like waving my ass in front of the thing - haha

those cards can be held a fair distance away sometimes - well the newer ones - our old building we would have to place the card right on the reader to get it to work

so i can imagine they could have scan readers that hardly have interuption to riders
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Old October 18th, 2007, 10:34 PM   #2023
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Maybe the sensors at Broadway & Commercial are for passenger counts at the transfer point.

I wouldn't want an activation scanner that is too sensitive. I may be carryng more than one smartcard in my wallet and I wouldn't want to pay twice for the same ride. I prefer a system that requires you to swipe or touch it to a scanner.
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Old October 19th, 2007, 05:09 AM   #2024
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more pics by Tafryn, Oct. 15:


OLYMPIC VILLAGE STATION






BROADWAY/CITY HALL STATION























YVR-AIRPORT STATION


















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Old October 19th, 2007, 11:55 AM   #2025
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The stations seem quite shallow. How many feet/metres down are they, if you know?

And Mr.X, the end quote in your signature is brilliant. I'm glad to see someone else out there has a brain and realises the modern political climate isn't as perfect as others would like to believe.
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Old October 20th, 2007, 01:12 AM   #2026
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The depth varies - that's one of the advantages of cut and cover construction - the stations are easily accessible. The downtown stations are deeper (maybe 60 ft down?)
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Old October 20th, 2007, 01:39 AM   #2027
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a 40-metre platform
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Old October 20th, 2007, 02:06 AM   #2028
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TransLink to ponder cheap transit for field trips

By Jeff Nagel
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Oct 17 2007

A group of teachers say TransLink should provide a transit price break for groups of students going on school field trips.

Krista Tulloch, a Vancouver teacher, said costs have gone up for school trips after TransLink ended a mid-day discount for school groups travelling at off-peak hours. Students now have to pay up to $6 for a three-zone round trip, and that will rise to $7 when fare hikes take effect in January.

“We’re seeing a great reduction in the types of field trips teachers are willing to take,” Tulloch said, noting transit now costs more than admission to some destinations.

“It restricts the opportunities are students are getting to learn,” she said, delivering a 340-signature petition at TransLink’s Oct. 10 meeting.

Tulloch also argued that fostering the use of use of transit in school children at an early age pays dividends for TransLink in the form of increased transit use later on.

“They’re not learning that transit habit now,” she said.

Tulloch wants TransLink to let booked school groups pay a single one-zone fare for unlimited off-peak travel.

TransLink chair Malcolm Brodie said the authority will consider the request.

School trips are going to get more challenging yet in 2008, Tulloch said, noting that’s when new rules governing child car seat restraints take effect that may preclude many trips for young school children in private vehicles.

Other TransLink news:

PARK & RIDE HIKES OKAYED


Opponents of higher fees at some of TransLink’s Park and Rides suffered a quick defeat at the board’s Oct. 10 meeting.

Directors quickly ratified a staff decision to increase rates to park at the lots at Scott Road SkyTrain station and at West Coast Express stations.

Port Moody Mayor Joe Trasolini voted against the hikes.

Daily rates doubled in September to $2, while monthly rates climbed from $15 to $40.

Estimated revenue from the parking lots is forecast to more than double from a current $587,000 per year to $1.3 million.

TICKET EXPIRY TIMES TO STAY

A move to extend how long transit tickets are valid has fizzled.

Vancouver Coun. Peter Ladner wanted the expiry time for proof-of-payment tickets increased from 90 minutes to two hours. He argued the current valid time for a ride sometimes isn’t enough to cover a long trip on the system, especially if congestion is heavy.

TransLink staff reject the idea, saying a wider window of time would cut into TransLink revenues and give much more opportunity to illegal ticket-flippers, who resell discarded but still valid tickets, often for drug money. It would also have required reprogramming ticket vending machines at a cost of $100,000.

TransLink has had only 34 formal complaints in the past two years about the 90-minute ticket time. “This issue does not seem to be a major concern to most customers,” a staff report said.

It also notes TransLink’s planned move to a smart card payment system in the next few years will likely bring in an entirely new fare structure that would eliminate current zones and instead charge based on actual distance travelled. Transit riders may also have more time to use tickets than many realize.

“The proof of payment is still valid as long as the passenger boards the last link of their trip before 90 minutes,” the report says, noting someone could board SkyTrain or a bus 85 minutes after buying or validating the ticket, then legally ride for another 40 minutes for a total trip of more than two hours.

In addition, there’s also a six-minute grace period, so passengers can board as late as the 96-minute mark.

BIKE IDEA BACKED


TransLink will investigate the idea of offering affordable bike rentals in parts of the region.

The proposal was advanced by Vancouver Coun. Peter Ladner and approved at the authority’s October board meeting. There is no commitment to spend money yet.

Ladner sees a system similar to one in Paris, where bikes can be rented at one location and dropped off at another and the costs are subsidized through advertising.

He said it would likely make most sense in more dense parts of the region.

“Is this going to rob ridership from our transit system?” asked Pitt Meadows Mayor Don MacLean.

TransLink officials said bike use and transit actually complement each other, with bikes often helping extend the distance a passenger will otherwise tolerate walking to get to or from a transit route.

The challenge is meeting the demand to take bikes on transit.

Each bus is limited to carrying two bikes on their racks – some of which still can’t be used after dark because they obstruct headlights. And SkyTrain cars are limited to two as well, only during off-peak hours.

SECRET MEETING

TransLink chair Malcolm Brodie won’t reveal the deliberations of an Oct. 5 in-camera meeting of TransLink directors and Metro Vancouver mayors.

The topic was the 30-year transportation vision for the region, and how it will fit with land-use planning.

“That was not a public meeting, therefore I’m not going to be discussing that,” Brodie said, responding to questions.

He said the meeting wasn’t a TransLink board meeting – which would be subject to normal rules regarding when meetings can be closed – but rather a special committee that included all TransLink directors formed as part of the province’s transition to reform TransLink.

A discussion paper circulated at the meeting is entitled “Transport 2040: Now is the Time.” It describes a Lower Mainland in 2040 with 1.3 million more people, 600,000 more cars and a tripling of container traffic. By then, it predicts, “most people use public transit, walk or cycle for the majority of their trips.”

The document stresses the challenges of climate change and an aging population on top of growth. It forecasts efficient road networks that will speed goods and people in low-emissions vehicles while giving trucks and transit road priority.

Communities would be concentrated near a Frequent Transit Network.

Consultations are to begin late this year on the 30-year transportation strategy. After it’s approved, TransLink is to draw up a more specific 10-year plan of specific projects.

IN THE BLACK

TransLink is heading for a $65-million budget surplus this year, about $17 million more than forecast.

That should boost the authority’s cumulative surplus to $386 million, providing money for future years when operating costs are expected to rise.

The better-than-expected results in the first half of the year is partly due to higher gas tax revenues. The fuel tax take was up $5.7 million higher than forecast, despite a decrease. Gasoline sales in the region are down so far in 2007 – as motorists switch to more fuel-efficient vehicles or cut driving – but haven’t fallen as fast as projected.
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Old October 20th, 2007, 02:31 AM   #2029
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a 40-metre platform
Isn't this the Porto Metro? They have 70m platforms.
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Old October 20th, 2007, 02:44 AM   #2030
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^ yea, but within that image that is what a 30 to 40-metre platform would look like.
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Old October 20th, 2007, 03:00 AM   #2031
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^ yea, but within that image that is what a 30 to 40-metre platform would look like.
I think the max we are seeing in that image is about 30m. Their trainsets are 35m and we don't quite see the end of the train. So, I'd say, tack on 10m and that's what we will get!
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I think the max we are seeing in that image is about 30m. Their trainsets are 35m and we don't quite see the end of the train. So, I'd say, tack on 10m and that's what we will get!
Damn, that's small!
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Old October 20th, 2007, 10:22 AM   #2033
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Well more $$$ should be placed in public transit projects. Across the nation, we see $$$ just pooring automatically from federal and provincial gov'ts to public transit infrastructure. Vancouver needs more rapid transit lines...
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Old October 21st, 2007, 08:50 AM   #2034
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Small? That's beyond small. Anything less than 50 metres is short sighted. They won't be too happy in 30 years when they realize the stations can't handle the capacity.
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Old October 21st, 2007, 08:53 AM   #2035
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Small? That's beyond small. Anything less than 50 metres is short sighted. They won't be too happy in 30 years when they realize the stations can't handle the capacity.
Correction: 10-15 years


I wouldn't be surprised if we had crowding issues at some stations within 5 years.
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Old October 21st, 2007, 09:34 PM   #2036
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You've done the math, or is it more of a guestamate?
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No math needed. Vancouver-Richmond commute is continuing to grow and there are never enough buses. Adding to the fact that commuter buses will stop at Richmond: commuters must board the Canada Line, five years and transportation planners will have to scratch their heads. By the sixth year, I can guarantee there will be an annoucement for longer trains and more trains. Seventh year, we would double track richmond and YVR. Tenth year, transportation planners go back to the drawing table.
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You've done the math, or is it more of a guestamate?
Well, given that a lot of bus routes are going to be replaced by the Canada Line and others will be terminating at the Canada Line. A lot of ridership will be transplanted onto the Canada Line. Then there's all the new ridership.

I highly doubt the Canada Line will be another Millennium Line dud for its first few years. This is a really busy corridor. It's going to take off quite quickly...especially with these short platforms and trains.
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i find it embarassing for a world class city that will be presenting itself to the world in 2010; regardless of whether the Canada Line has anything to do with the olympics first of all; but the trains, compared to other "not-so well known" cities, our trains are basically like toy trains!
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Yeah, but compare this to the cost of Toronto's Spadina Line extension - full scale subway at $2 Billion for 8.7 km.
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