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Old November 4th, 2007, 09:54 AM   #2121
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There is a survey on Sam Sullivan's website regarding the completion of the Millennium Line down Broadway to UBC.

http://www.mayorsamsullivan.ca/
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I'm guessing to the right of this picture is the King Edward Station platform and this hole, where the light is, could be the area for the tunnel fan?
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There is a survey on Sam Sullivan's website regarding the completion of the Millennium Line down Broadway to UBC.

http://www.mayorsamsullivan.ca/
They're actually asking what method the line to UBC should be? It's really a non-starter: just extend the current M-Line. What are they thinking about...skytrain to Granville then LRT to Arbutus then a bus to UBC? Just keep the project simple and stupid, please.
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Exclusive Skyscrapercity/Skyscraperpage pictures of the first four Canada Line Rotem trains (8 cars) being loaded onto a ship in South Korea, bound for Vancouver.

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As always a nice job Mr. X. Do you know when the trains will arrive in Vancouver?
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In the ultra long term I think the M-line should go from UBC down SW marine drive then east along 41st to Joyce station to create a loop that would bring rapid transit close to most locations in Vancouver.
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As always a nice job Mr. X. Do you know when the trains will arrive in Vancouver?
About a month from now, December. They're making a trans-Pacific voyage. Here's another:
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In the ultra long term I think the M-line should go from UBC down SW marine drive then east along 41st to Joyce station to create a loop that would bring rapid transit close to most locations in Vancouver.
Man, the M Line would be far too long to recover in case of delays. You're talking about from Waterfront to Commercial to New West along Lougheed and Broadway to UBC and the loop around the back to the Expo Line. I think an LRT along 41st will be more than necessary, and a segregated busway should be sufficient. We won't be groing exponentially forever.
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Diagram of the proposed UBC bus loop from a Translink Report going to the Board Nov 16th:

http://www.translink.bc.ca/files/boa....7_UBC_MOU.pdf

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Faregates for SkyTrain
TransLink hopes to add entry and exit barriers at the stations in 2008

Kelly Sinoski and Doug Ward, Vancouver Sun
Published: Thursday, November 08, 2007

The SkyTrain system will likely be overhauled in the new year with faregates and smart cards in a bid to boost safety and reduce crime and fare evasion along the line.

TransLink chairman Malcolm Brodie said today the new "controlled access" system - using entry and exit barriers at the stations - is expected to be installed in 2008. But he said it's still unknown how much it will cost, or where the money will come from.

He estimates retrofitting the Canada and Millennium lines with faregates would carry a capital cost of between $15 million and $20 million apiece per year, while the Expo line would be "substantially more."

Unlike the other two lines, the Expo line - the first leg of the SkyTrain - was not designed to accommodate controlled access, Brodie said.

Besides the gates, the stations would require attendants and maintenance staff.

"We have to understand how the system is going to be paid for; we need funding to cover the capital costs and the operating costs," said Brodie, who met with Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon a few weeks ago about the option but wasn't sure when an official announcement would be made.

"Costs will be a major factor whether you want it system wide or on just one line."

Falcon did not return calls today.

But Brodie said he supports the notion of faregates - used in major cities like London - to deter crime and reduce fare evasion.

The SkyTrain system has been operating under a proof-of-payment system and TransLink has estimated that it loses $6 million to $7 million a year in revenue through fare evasion. This includes people who ride SkyTrain without a ticket or slip in the backdoor of a bus plus those who buy a ticket for one zone and ride through three.

It was estimated in 2004 that 36.6 million people boarded SkyTrain and that roughly eight per cent didn't pay.

Fares account for only 37 per cent of revenue. SkyTrain officials have said previously that turnstiles were too expensive to be viable. The cost of a retrofit would be $90 million to $120 million, according to earlier estimates.

The province is also considering smart cards, which would allow commuters to buy a card - with a certain amount of money on it - and just scan it to get through the gates.

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Crackdown on transit crime
Transportation minister plans transit security measures to deter cheaters

John Bermingham, With a file by John Colebourn, The Province
Published: Friday, November 09, 2007

The B.C. government wants to take the crime train out of SkyTrain.

Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon unveiled ideas yesterday to radically overhaul the transit system to make it a safer ride -- and to stop fare evaders in their tracks.

His sweeping plans include:

- Installing electronic turnstiles at every SkyTrain and Canada Line station before the 2010 Olympics, along with more closed-circuit cameras.

- Launching a smart-card system to be used on trains and buses, which can be recharged at vending machines or on the Internet.

- Pursuing fare evaders with criminal prosecutions and on-the-spot fines.

- Boosting security outside SkyTrain stations.


- Improving safety for bus drivers.

Falcon said he was impressed by the London Underground and the Dutch Metro system in Rotterdam during a trip to Europe in September.

After talking with senior security officials in London, he became convinced SkyTrain needs to install turnstiles and more closed-circuit TV.

"The personal safety of commuters improves dramatically in a closed system," he told The Province.

"Women, in particular, feel safer and are safer. It's a controlled area and criminals generally stay out."

Falcon said turnstiles weed out the hang-arounds and reduce the chance of an act of terrorism.

The head of the Dutch transit system told Falcon that prior to installing its gated system, 60 per cent of all violence and assaults were caused by people who didn't pay fares.

After the turnstiles went in, fare evasion fell from 20 per cent to two per cent and ridership rose by almost 30 per cent.


Turnstiles have been priced at $100 million plus, but Falcon hopes to find a private partner to build and operate the system on a revenue-sharing basis.

A smart-card system would allow passengers to pay as they go by touching their card on an electronic reader. The card automatically debits the fare and can be topped up at stations or on the Internet.

"It's very easy to use," said Falcon. "It actually grows your ridership dramatically. It's really convenient."

Falcon called current fare-evasion enforcement in B.C. "a joke," with evaders giving bogus names and refusing to pay $173 fines.

Transit cops in London criminally charge evaders if they give wrong names and levy on-the-spot fines. Falcon wants a similar system here.


"Your fare-evasion figures drop to single figures overnight," he said. "The fact is, it's too easy for people not to pay today. It has a corrosive effect on the honest people."

Fare-evaders cost TransLink up to $7 million a year.

Falcon said he's also relying on municipalities to increase police presence around SkyTrain stations.

TransLink chairman Malcolm Brodie welcomed the turnstiles, smart-card system and toughening the fare-evasion regimen.

"I believe it's a matter of safety and security," he said. "And the perception and the reality of security will increase with the gated system."

Brodie said smart cards are "inevitable."

"Not only will the smart-card system support the turnstile system, I believe it will result in greater fare collection, and it will result in greater convenience to the public."

Meanwhile, commuters at the Waterfront SkyTrain station yesterday said the proposals make sense.

"I think turnstiles are a good idea," said SkyTrain rider Sharon Farrar, 50, of Port Coquitlam.

"Too many people are getting a free ride," she added.

Farrar also said more security cameras and more transit cops are welcome.

"There's no problem with more security if you aren't doing anything wrong," she said.

Jason Beck, 26, uses the SkyTrain regularly and wonders if fare cheats will be stopped by turnstiles.

"I think a lot of people will jump over the turnstiles," he said.

And he said he has more safety concerns when on buses.

"I think buses are worse than SkyTrains," he said.

"The stations are secure and most of the attacks are happening outside of the SkyTrain stations," he pointed out.

Summerland resident Krista Plomish, 35, in Vancouver on business, said she prefers to use the SkyTrain rather than her car.

She likes the system but knows ugly incidents happen.

"I have concerns about taking the SkyTrain at certain hours. More security is a good idea."

Falcon said he doesn't know the final cost of the security measures but will make sure TransLink gets the money to pull it off.

- Falcon also said he is thinking of starting random checks of vehicles and passengers prior to boarding B.C. Ferries to thwart terrorists.

"You can't check every vehicle and car," he said. "But there are random checks that could be undertaken. There are different ways you could approach it, that create real nervousness amongst people that have nefarious intentions."

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Fare gates coming to SkyTrain stations
System will reduce fare cheating, improve security, transportation minister says

Kelly Sinoski and Doug Ward
Vancouver Sun

Friday, November 09, 2007

The Lower Mainland's SkyTrain and rapid transit system will likely be overhauled in the new year with controlled-access gates and Smart Cards in a bid to boost safety and reduce crime and fare evasion along the line.

TransLink chairman Malcolm Brodie said Thursday a new "controlled access" system -- using entry and exit barriers, or fare gates, on station platforms -- is expected to be installed in 2008.

But he said it's still unknown how much it will cost, or where the money will come from.

TransLink would need a "substantial increase in funding" to make it happen, he said.

"We have to understand how the system is going to be paid for; we need funding to cover the capital costs and the operating costs," Brodie said. "Costs will be a major factor whether you want it system-wide or on just one line."

SkyTrain officials said previously that turnstiles were too expensive to be viable, with earlier estimates pegging the cost of a retrofit of fare gates at $90 million to $120 million.

Brodie estimated Thursday that to retrofit the Canada and Millennium lines with fare gates would carry a capital cost of up to $20 million apiece, while the Expo line would be "substantially more."

Unlike the other two lines, the Expo line -- the first leg of the SkyTrain system -- was not designed to accommodate controlled access, Brodie said. Besides the gates, the stations would require attendants and maintenance staff.

Brodie said he met with Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon a few weeks ago about the plans for the system but did not know the full details of the plan or when an official announcement would be made.

He said he understood Falcon had devised his plan for the rapid transit system after visiting the London Underground.

Falcon did not return phone calls but told Global BC he would work with TransLink to make sure it has the resources it needs to install the controlled-access gates, adding there's no question "we have to work toward this system."

The current rapid transit system in the Lower Mainland, he said, is "outmoded."

Brodie agreed, saying fare gates or turnstiles -- used in major cities like London, Paris and Hong Kong -- would help deter crime and reduce fare evasion, while making the trains safer for commuters.

The Millennium and Expo SkyTrain lines have been operating under a proof-of-payment system, which was considered more cost-effective than fare gates.

But TransLink has estimated it loses $6 million to $7 million a year in revenue through fare evasion.

This includes people who ride SkyTrain without a ticket or slip in the back door of a bus, plus those who buy a ticket for one zone and ride through three.

It was estimated in 2004 that 36.6 million people boarded SkyTrain and that roughly eight per cent didn't pay. Fares account for only 37 per cent of revenue.

As part of the overhaul, the province is also considering Smart Cards, which would allow commuters to get a card and add money to it. Commuters would scan the card to get through the gates.

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Crackdown on transit crime
Transportation minister plans transit security measures to deter cheaters

John Bermingham, With a file by John Colebourn, The Province
Published: Friday, November 09, 2007

The B.C. government wants to take the crime train out of SkyTrain.

Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon unveiled ideas yesterday to radically overhaul the transit system to make it a safer ride -- and to stop fare evaders in their tracks.

His sweeping plans include:

- Installing electronic turnstiles at every SkyTrain and Canada Line station before the 2010 Olympics, along with more closed-circuit cameras.

- Launching a smart-card system to be used on trains and buses, which can be recharged at vending machines or on the Internet.

- Pursuing fare evaders with criminal prosecutions and on-the-spot fines.

- Boosting security outside SkyTrain stations.


- Improving safety for bus drivers.

Falcon said he was impressed by the London Underground and the Dutch Metro system in Rotterdam during a trip to Europe in September.

After talking with senior security officials in London, he became convinced SkyTrain needs to install turnstiles and more closed-circuit TV.

"The personal safety of commuters improves dramatically in a closed system," he told The Province.

"Women, in particular, feel safer and are safer. It's a controlled area and criminals generally stay out."

Falcon said turnstiles weed out the hang-arounds and reduce the chance of an act of terrorism.

The head of the Dutch transit system told Falcon that prior to installing its gated system, 60 per cent of all violence and assaults were caused by people who didn't pay fares.

After the turnstiles went in, fare evasion fell from 20 per cent to two per cent and ridership rose by almost 30 per cent.


Turnstiles have been priced at $100 million plus, but Falcon hopes to find a private partner to build and operate the system on a revenue-sharing basis.

A smart-card system would allow passengers to pay as they go by touching their card on an electronic reader. The card automatically debits the fare and can be topped up at stations or on the Internet.

"It's very easy to use," said Falcon. "It actually grows your ridership dramatically. It's really convenient."

Falcon called current fare-evasion enforcement in B.C. "a joke," with evaders giving bogus names and refusing to pay $173 fines.

Transit cops in London criminally charge evaders if they give wrong names and levy on-the-spot fines. Falcon wants a similar system here.


"Your fare-evasion figures drop to single figures overnight," he said. "The fact is, it's too easy for people not to pay today. It has a corrosive effect on the honest people."

Fare-evaders cost TransLink up to $7 million a year.

Falcon said he's also relying on municipalities to increase police presence around SkyTrain stations.

TransLink chairman Malcolm Brodie welcomed the turnstiles, smart-card system and toughening the fare-evasion regimen.

"I believe it's a matter of safety and security," he said. "And the perception and the reality of security will increase with the gated system."

Brodie said smart cards are "inevitable."

"Not only will the smart-card system support the turnstile system, I believe it will result in greater fare collection, and it will result in greater convenience to the public."

Meanwhile, commuters at the Waterfront SkyTrain station yesterday said the proposals make sense.

"I think turnstiles are a good idea," said SkyTrain rider Sharon Farrar, 50, of Port Coquitlam.

"Too many people are getting a free ride," she added.

Farrar also said more security cameras and more transit cops are welcome.

"There's no problem with more security if you aren't doing anything wrong," she said.

Jason Beck, 26, uses the SkyTrain regularly and wonders if fare cheats will be stopped by turnstiles.

"I think a lot of people will jump over the turnstiles," he said.

And he said he has more safety concerns when on buses.

"I think buses are worse than SkyTrains," he said.

"The stations are secure and most of the attacks are happening outside of the SkyTrain stations," he pointed out.

Summerland resident Krista Plomish, 35, in Vancouver on business, said she prefers to use the SkyTrain rather than her car.

She likes the system but knows ugly incidents happen.

"I have concerns about taking the SkyTrain at certain hours. More security is a good idea."

Falcon said he doesn't know the final cost of the security measures but will make sure TransLink gets the money to pull it off.

- Falcon also said he is thinking of starting random checks of vehicles and passengers prior to boarding B.C. Ferries to thwart terrorists.

"You can't check every vehicle and car," he said. "But there are random checks that could be undertaken. There are different ways you could approach it, that create real nervousness amongst people that have nefarious intentions."

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- Installing electronic turnstiles at every SkyTrain and Canada Line station before the 2010 Olympics, along with more closed-circuit cameras.

- Launching a smart-card system to be used on trains and buses, which can be recharged at vending machines or on the Internet.

I can so imagine my U-Pass being similar to a personalized Octopus card that I have in HK!!!! That's VERY interesting!!!!



BTW, the North Arm Bridge's gap is completed!!!! I just went by today and looked at it!!!
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FYI - here's the Translink report from the Dec 7, 2005 Board Meeting when they decided NOT to exercise the option to add fare gates to the Canada Line (though the option was preserved for future implementation) - it provides an interesting read:

http://www.translink.bc.ca/files/boa...tachment_A.pdf
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