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Old November 15th, 2007, 11:20 AM   #2161
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Some pictures of No.3 Road taken on Nov. 13, from Flickr:

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Elevated guideway construction is about to move south of Lansdowne Road
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Old November 15th, 2007, 07:54 PM   #2162
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I saw on the news last night that the North Arm Bridge isn't quite connected yet. They showed footage of a small 3m gap between the north and south portions of the bridge that will take another week to fill in.
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Old November 15th, 2007, 10:58 PM   #2163
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Whatever they do my main concern is safety. I've had an opportunity to take on a new job in Burnaby but I don't drive and that would mean Skytrain and there is no bloody way I would take that thing through the Nanaimo via Broadway Stn area to Brentwood in the evening hours. I would also have to take buses on either end to and from. So it's either I buy a car or fork out for taxis. Safety is paramount and that costs a lot of money unfortunately so I don't think I'll take the job which really sucks.
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Old November 16th, 2007, 08:13 AM   #2164
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Wow, you must feel really unsafe. When was the last time you actually rode the Skytrain? I ride it most nights and I've probably felt unsafe maybe once or twice - there are always people on trains together and I've always seen a police presence at night. You must really look down on all of us from the Eastside for chrissake.
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Old November 16th, 2007, 08:41 AM   #2165
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more pictures by Tafryn, Nov. 6:


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Old November 17th, 2007, 10:20 AM   #2166
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How on earth do you confuse yourself with my own personal concerns about safety with, "You must really look down on all of us from the Eastside for chrissake"? I live in East Van! Chill out man you sound really defensive.

The concern I have is waiting at a bus stop at night and then having to take two trains(around Broadway) and then waiting for another bus to get home. Do I currently feel unsafe about doing that late at night? Yes. The question of safety, regardless of your own experiences, is a valid one.

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Old November 17th, 2007, 02:47 PM   #2167
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Old November 17th, 2007, 11:21 PM   #2168
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wow thats really good that Vancouver is going straight ahead in this construction and sooner or later vancover will have a new Subway line for the people that live and work in Vancouver lets give them a round of applause
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Old November 18th, 2007, 02:47 AM   #2169
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Yes and when completed we will have 69 km of rapid transit, slightly longer than either Toronto's or Montreal's network, which have 68.3 km and 66.0 km respectively, and it is all automated. Too bad Metro Vancouver is so damn large that it's still not even close to a comprehensive system.
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Old November 18th, 2007, 06:17 AM   #2170
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Falcon wants SkyTrain to run longer hours
Nov, 15 2007 - 10:10 PM

VICTORIA/CKNW(AM980) - Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon would like the Translink Board to look at keeping Skytrain running a few hours later at night. Falcon says a lot of people complain about the fact Skytrain isn't open late enough for them to get home after the bars close in Vancouver, "So, I do think it would be helpful to at least take a look at that that Translink could take a look at that and provide them the opportunities to take the Skytrain home safely."

The last Skytrain to leave Waterfront Station to King George goes at 1:15 in the morning.





Changing TransLink is futile until Falcon lets go

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Published: Thursday, November 15, 2007

In April, the provincial government introduced, to much hoopla, the South Coast British Columbia Transportation Authority Act, which will restructure the governance of TransLink.

Under the new act, the 12 Metro Vancouver mayors and councillors who currently compose the TransLink board will be replaced by a group of professionals. These professionals, while taking political direction from a new council of mayors, will be responsible for the day-to-day operation of TransLink.

Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon said the new structure would restore public confidence through accountability and governance. But one has to wonder what the point of the exercise is, since Falcon now seems determined to continue to make decisions that should really be taken by the board.

Witness current TransLink chairman Malcolm Brodie's recent announcement that SkyTrain stations will soon be equipped with a new "controlled access" system involving entry and exit barriers or fare gates on the station platforms.

While Brodie apparently supports the plan, he noted that it was devised by Falcon after a visit to London's Underground.


Now various parties have debated the merits of placing gates or turnstiles at SkyTrain stations for years, but making a decision on the matter seems like a perfect job for a board of professionals.

After all, there are many things to consider, not the least of which is cost. SkyTrain officials previously suggested that the cost of retrofitting gates would be prohibitive -- in the range of $90 million to $120 million.

However, Brodie recently said that the capital cost for retrofitting gates on the Canada and Millennium Lines would be about $20 million, and "substantially more" for the Expo Line. But he was unable to say where the money would come from.

On the other hand, installing fare gates or turnstiles could save money in the long run. While the majority of travellers do pay their fares, about eight per cent don't, and only about 20 per cent of cheaters who get caught pay their fines.

According to TransLink, this fare evasion results in the loss of $6 million to $7 million a year. Further, according to data gathered during the trip to London's Underground, installing turnstiles triggered a 30-per-cent drop in crime on one subway line, and vandalism and assaults decreased by 80 per cent and 50 per cent respectively.

Moreover, apparently as a result of people feeling safer taking public transit, ridership increased by 10 per cent. All of these figures suggest that despite the outlay of significant sums to pay the capital costs of installing fare gates, it might be possible to eventually recoup those monies.

So there are clear benefits and drawbacks to installing turnstiles. It seems that a board of professionals would be ideally suited to make the decision, after carefully considering the pros and cons.

But if instead Falcon insists on continuing to make all the important decisions, then the change to the structure of the TransLink board will be merely cosmetic.
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Old November 18th, 2007, 09:28 AM   #2171
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Funny thing about longer hours. I expected trains in Hong Kong and Tokyo to run longer than in Vancouver but the last one is around 1am as well in Hong Kong. Wonder why that is.
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Old November 18th, 2007, 10:11 AM   #2172
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I would definitely be nice if the skytrain ran til 3 ish on friday and saturday nights especially. I'm sick of taking the night bus back to burnaby.

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Old November 18th, 2007, 10:23 AM   #2173
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They should just run it non stop once every hour or so (depending on amount of people).
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Old November 18th, 2007, 10:48 AM   #2174
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They should just run it non stop once every hour or so (depending on amount of people).
Well, keep in mind SkyTrain needs maintenance time which usually occurs at night when it's shut down.

I say open it until 2:30 am with a frequency (from 1 am to 2:30 am) of every 10 minutes on the Expo Line, with every second train heading to the M-Line....using an articulated Mark II train. The only problem i could see with such a system is safety, fare evasion, and vandalism concerns, though i wouldn't think it'd be too hard to have a transit officers/assistants riding the trains especially since there will be so few trains online.

Expo Line from Waterfront to Surrey: every 10 minutes
Millennium Line from Waterfront to VCC: every 20 minutes

This is the same frequency being planned for the Canada Line late night service (10 mins in Vancouver, 20 mins at Richmond/YVR).
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If they run it very infrequently, then they could bypass the track maintenance by switching the trains from side to side. Besides, the so called maintenance is mostly garbage cleanup and track inspection.
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Old November 19th, 2007, 01:58 AM   #2176
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the bad thing is if one wants to go from the airport to surrey or new west burnaby etc they have to go all the way from the airport to downtown and than transfer and go all the way again

hopefully the m line extension can provide at least one transfer point earlier on
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Old November 19th, 2007, 04:07 AM   #2177
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the bad thing is if one wants to go from the airport to surrey or new west burnaby etc they have to go all the way from the airport to downtown and than transfer and go all the way again
Depending on where you're going the best option might be to take the Canada Line to Marine Dr. Station and then take the 100 bus to 22nd St Skytrain as that bus trip is only 22 minutes.
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Old November 19th, 2007, 04:09 AM   #2178
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An M-Line extension, and any other addition to the system will make it more user friendly. Obviously. I think anyone going to a place like Surrey would do what they've always done before, which is to use a car. The Canada Line does not serve Surrey in the slightest.
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Old November 19th, 2007, 09:38 PM   #2179
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Falcon wants SkyTrain to run longer hours
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VICTORIA/CKNW(AM980) - Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon would like the Translink Board to look at keeping Skytrain running a few hours later at night. Falcon says a lot of people complain about the fact Skytrain isn't open late enough for them to get home after the bars close in Vancouver, "So, I do think it would be helpful to at least take a look at that that Translink could take a look at that and provide them the opportunities to take the Skytrain home safely."

The last Skytrain to leave Waterfront Station to King George goes at 1:15 in the morning.
The Copenhagen Metro charges twice the regular fare at night (from their website):

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Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday mornings only.

Night fares

Night fares: Ticket tariffs are doubled if you board the Metro between 1 and 5 a.m. If you use a ten trip card you'll need to punch twice during nighttime.
Of course if we get manned turnstiles, then the cost of night service will also increase. Copenhagen is fully automated with a fare paid honour system.
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Thought this was a bit odd, traffic allowed to pass under an unfinished section. I was able to drive, walk and stand under there, yet a week ago on No. 3 Road I was yelled at by a flag person for attempting to walk under one of those hanging sections.



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