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Old December 4th, 2007, 08:04 PM   #2241
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Thanks for the information from that other post about Canada Line ridership Mr. X. Seems totally reasonable.


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Didn't Langara already approve the U-Pass program? It's supposed to start next semester...
Yes they have approved the U-Pass program already. The article I read didn't state when. Do you have a link for this date?
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Old December 4th, 2007, 09:04 PM   #2242
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Yes they have approved the U-Pass program already. The article I read didn't state when. Do you have a link for this date?
I read it in the courier a couple issues back. Although, it appears to have been moved to the summer semester:

When will the U-Pass be implemented?
The U-Pass will be implemented for the May 2008 semester.
http://www.langara.bc.ca/news/events/upass.html
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Old December 5th, 2007, 03:51 AM   #2243
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Few more shots from the Canada Line website:

Installation of the final concrete segment of the North Arm Bridge.
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Overhead shot of the YVR Station:

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Old December 5th, 2007, 04:58 AM   #2244
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From translink's website, every give their feedback now


Transport 2040

TransLink is preparing a 30-year transportation strategy for the region titled Now is the Time Transport 2040. This strategy will enable us to seize opportunities and meet the challenges we face, today and tomorrow.

These challenges and opportunities are significant and pressing. They include doing our part to reduce the province’s greenhouse gas emissions by 33 percent – a significant challenge given the continued growth that is forecast for the Lower Mainland.

The next step is to map out a pathway that meets our needs and reflects our shared values. Once that strategy has been discussed and approved, we will undertake consultations and research to create a 10-year plan that sets out specific projects and programs.

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http://www.translink.bc.ca/Plans/Transport_2040.asp
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Old December 5th, 2007, 10:52 AM   #2245
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why are they running the same number of trains to yvr as to richmond center? they should run 2 trains to richmond center for every 1 airport train
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Old December 5th, 2007, 01:08 PM   #2246
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why are they running the same number of trains to yvr as to richmond center? they should run 2 trains to richmond center for every 1 airport train
it might have to do with an agreement with YVR since they're paying a quarter billion for the line, which is the airport section.

And between the three airport stations, it does act as the airport people mover with check in and parking facilities at Templeton Station and the terminal station at YVR-Airport. Don't forget YVR-3 Station, just before where double-tracking ends, which will be part of the future eastern international terminal expansion. I'd hate to be waiting for a train to YVR at Templeton for more than 10 minutes.

Ideally, they need more trains....i doubt 20 trains (with 16-18 in operation at one time) is enough.
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Old December 6th, 2007, 04:12 AM   #2247
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A few more pics from today enjoy


Cambie & Broadway
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16th to 18th after restoration
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Old December 6th, 2007, 04:18 AM   #2248
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Fortunately getting more trains is something that CAN be done to improve the line.
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Old December 6th, 2007, 05:12 AM   #2249
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Fortunately getting more trains is something that CAN be done to improve the line.
unfortunately, that's about the only thing they can do.
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^ coming along...hopefully they'll repave Cambie properly.
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what would minimum headways be with the single track sections
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Old December 6th, 2007, 06:05 AM   #2252
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what would minimum headways be with the single track sections
About 90 secs in Vancouver, and around 3 minutes in Richmond and YVR.
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Old December 6th, 2007, 09:04 AM   #2253
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^ coming along...hopefully they'll repave Cambie properly.
I'm not going to hold my breath on that one.
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Old December 6th, 2007, 11:12 AM   #2254
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Personally I think RAV is a waste of money which could have been spent eleswhere with better returns.
That said I know I sound like a broken record but people will never take transit on masse especially south of Frazer if the service is poor.
I remembr in Ottawa there was an express bus all day that went across town using the Queensway and it was wonderful. Vancouver has no such service from Surrey/Langley and they should.
The GO bus system in Toronto is great, fast, and comfortable for long distance travel.
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Old December 6th, 2007, 12:15 PM   #2255
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Personally I think RAV is a waste of money which could have been spent eleswhere with better returns.
That said I know I sound like a broken record but people will never take transit on masse especially south of Frazer if the service is poor.
I remembr in Ottawa there was an express bus all day that went across town using the Queensway and it was wonderful. Vancouver has no such service from Surrey/Langley and they should.
The GO bus system in Toronto is great, fast, and comfortable for long distance travel.
Not really, in my opinion.

RAV's funding comes from the airport, about $300 million, and the private sector, about $700 million. That amounts to $1 billion which is half of the $2 billion budget. That's a billion that would not have been spent elsewhere.

The remaining coming from the province (~$350 million), Ottawa (~$300 million), and Translink (~$350 million).

Translink would've used its RAV contribution for its Evergreen LRT funding gap, but right now there's every indication the province will follow through with its promise - funding it, getting it built, a new less-costly but still viable route, and as part of our beloved SkyTrain network. Major transit announcements, including the Evergreen Line, will be announced in the coming months as part of the Premier's climate change initiative....they wouldn't be spooning us the "22-24% regional transit ridership" figures if they didn't have something major in mind, and I would also think it includes a major bus expansion initiative that would greatly serve the South Fraser. The Premier has already promised the Evergreen Line will be built.

With Ottawa, they would've probably spent their $350 million on something else, outside of BC.

Had more money been spent on RAV, even just a fraction more of the overall budget, we could've seen much better returns. A deeper tunnel in downtown's Waterfront Station could mean the line could be potentially extended to the North Shore...it'd kill a lot of car traffic on the Lions Gate and Second Narrows. Longer platforms would ensure a low-cost to expand system capacity. The provision of space for more multiple station entrances.

And when the Premier's transit initiatives fully realize, the Canada Line will not be able to handle the demand.
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Old December 6th, 2007, 06:24 PM   #2256
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To be honest I think that if things are really messed up by 2020 in terms of crowding on the Canada Line (which obviously seems likely), a parallel route can be built, maybe even in addition to the arbutus corridor (LRT = equals good idea but too slow to really compete with the Canada Line for commuters). A route under granville would be a dream imo.

Though extremely costly I think this could fly if the Premier's climate initiatives are successful. We will have a region with much higher public support for using tax dollars for rapid transit expansion, as a much higher % of Metro Vancouver will be taking transit by then. Plus a higher population in general means more money for transit.

Another medium term solution before this might be necesssary is the idea of 2 trains to Richmond, and one to the airport, especially during rush hour. Richmond usage is definitely going to expand faster than the airport. Mr. X you made the point that waiting for more than 10 minutes at the airport for a train would annoy a lot of people (including me). I think in 15 or 20 years if all the line is doubled tracked and the line is operating at or near capacity during rush hour, the wait time could be reasonable.

As for the Canada Line's shallow tunnel not allowing expansion to the north shore well yeah that is annoying for sure. A deep short line could still be built to the north shore under waterfront station. Transfer times to Skytrain or Canada Line would likely be no worse, and possibly a little better, than from the Seabus if station access is well designed.
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^ a parallel route would divert some Canada Line ridership away to the second line, but it's not like there would be a mass exodus of passengers. it would relief some congestion, but that's purely a short-term solution. 10 years later, and the same problems will be back from ridership growth.
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i read in the buzzer today:

trainbus weekend trips starting jan 5

a new 3rd seabus by 2009

i guess it will be every 10 minutes at peak hours. they will have to use both sides i would think
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Aside from the platform length and station entrance problems, I think the Canada Line should have a main line that runs all the way to Richmond, and then a separate but operationally linked shuttle line would run between Bridgeport and YVR. Of course, this would require a third platform to be added to Bridgeport, but IMO it would be a better setup than an alternating split between the two destinations. It would work like the Singapore MRT line to the Changi airport.
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i read in the buzzer today:

trainbus weekend trips starting jan 5

a new 3rd seabus by 2009

i guess it will be every 10 minutes at peak hours. they will have to use both sides i would think
have they even ordered a new SeaBus yet? i haven't heard anything about it other than "they will do it". there's no bidding process or mention of contracts.
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