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Old January 14th, 2008, 02:59 AM   #2341
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It's been called the Canada Line for a long time now. That's not going to change, but people can call it what they want. As for the type of line... it is what it is - part elevated, part subway... Calling it a rapid transit line would make sense to me.
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Old January 14th, 2008, 04:19 AM   #2342
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Major transit infrastructure funding announcement is coming tomorrow. Some speculation on what it might be:

Apparently the Evergreen Line cost will be substantially higher (over a billion?). Could this mean Skytrain?
Funding for Victoria (along with projects like bus only lanes), Kamloops, and GVRD will top the agenda.
Gasonline tax will likely fund this.
Guess we will see tomorrow
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Old January 14th, 2008, 06:05 AM   #2343
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Thanks for the heads up, zivan56.

Personally, I'm pretty ambivalent about rapid transit for West Broadway. I live just off Broadway near Macdonald and take the 99 B-Line every day, and I don't have any problems with it. I wish the BC Liberals would hurry up and fully privatize Translink (they've already halfway done so) so we wouldn't have to pay for these things unless we use them. Anyone else feel the same way?
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Old January 14th, 2008, 06:21 AM   #2344
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If they privatized it, then fares would probably skyrocket. Not to mention they would not be as willing to give money for infrastructure upgrades to private corporations. I wouldn't agree with the 99 B-Line, as whenever I see passengers boarding for UBC in the morning, they are almost always passed up if they board anywhere except Commercial Drive. Not to mention later at night, when the B-Line is almost as packed as during the morning rush.
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Old January 14th, 2008, 06:48 AM   #2345
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haha, you beat me to it...i was about to post the same thing.



I have a strong feeling this will cost more than $6 billion.
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Old January 14th, 2008, 06:53 AM   #2346
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If they privatized it, then fares would probably skyrocket. Not to mention they would not be as willing to give money for infrastructure upgrades to private corporations. I wouldn't agree with the 99 B-Line, as whenever I see passengers boarding for UBC in the morning, they are almost always passed up if they board anywhere except Commercial Drive. Not to mention later at night, when the B-Line is almost as packed as during the morning rush.
Fares would go up, yes. This would be offset by lower property taxes, lower provincial income taxes, and no Translink gas tax. Private corporations wouldn't need money from the government for infrastructure upgrades, they could get it from investors and transit fares.

I lived in Hiroshima (about the same size as Vancouver) for a year and much better service was provided by private companies than Translink does here. Transit fares were approximately 1.5x-2x more expensive than they are here but it was well worth it. I also lived in Osaka where the subway is public, and because the fare is close to the actual operating cost there were plenty of private transit companies that fill gaps in the public system.

Also, I've never been passed up by the B-Line - it might be because I live farther down the route though.

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Old January 14th, 2008, 06:54 AM   #2347
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I have a strong feeling this will cost more than $6 billion.
Yeah, me too :/
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Old January 14th, 2008, 06:55 AM   #2348
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If they privatized it, then fares would probably skyrocket. Not to mention they would not be as willing to give money for infrastructure upgrades to private corporations. I wouldn't agree with the 99 B-Line, as whenever I see passengers boarding for UBC in the morning, they are almost always passed up if they board anywhere except Commercial Drive. Not to mention later at night, when the B-Line is almost as packed as during the morning rush.
Privatization also usually leads to downsizing, which leads to the sardine can effect for buses and trains.
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Old January 14th, 2008, 08:08 AM   #2349
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Major transit infrastructure funding announcement is coming tomorrow.
Thanks for the heads up!
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Old January 14th, 2008, 08:22 AM   #2350
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here's Gordon Price's take on the Global exclusive:


SkyTrain to UBC!
January 13, 2008 | Price Tags

Well, we’ll see.

Global TV’s Victoria reporter Keith Baldrey prepared the way for Gordon Campbell and Kevin Falcon’s “huge” announcement tomorrow morning (Jan 14) - the biggest infrastructure package in British Columbia’s history. Mainly, billions for transit, all over the province. In the Lower Mainland:

The Evergreen Line, with a southerly route most likely, serving the Riverview development area.

SkyTrain extension into the Fraser Valley.

And this one, which dropped a few jaws: Millennium Line extension to UBC.

Plus a bus-only road system extended through the region.

I can’t imagine this info being broadcast unless the government wanted it released - but we’ll see. It certainly has the marks of Gordon Campbell on it. Similar to the housing announcements, the scale of spending and the comprehensiveness of the program unbalances the critics. Of course it’s “never enough” or ”only a good first start” with doubts and ”let’s see the details”.

But frankly, if transit was scaled up south of the Fraser to the point where it could reshape development and redirect growth while addressing car-dependence, it would also recast the criticism of Gateway. SkyTrain all the way to UBC would be stunning.

We’ll see soon.
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Old January 14th, 2008, 09:34 AM   #2351
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Whoa! Really? Skytrain to UBC? Great to see that progress is being made, but when will it be done? And what do they mean by extension of Skytrain into Fraser Valley? Fraser Valley is a pretty large area! Do they mean to Delta, extension near south of Surrey, or what?
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Old January 14th, 2008, 10:40 AM   #2352
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what we need to do is keep translink public. and whats with all this talk about getting rid of the gas tax.

no no no no no
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Old January 14th, 2008, 10:43 AM   #2353
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Major YVR-AIRPORT STATION update by Tafryn, Jan 11.
http://canadalinephotos.blogspot.com...r-station.html


The roof of the station is now shaping form.


















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what we need to do is keep translink public. and whats with all this talk about getting rid of the gas tax.

no no no no no
getting rid of the gas tax? i've never heard about that. from what i've heard on Global, the gas tax would help pay for these transit mega projects.
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Old January 14th, 2008, 11:26 AM   #2355
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Sunday's News Hour report on today's announcement:




posted by Vancouverite:


Major transit announcement
Transportation project to be unveiled today, involving many cities and billions of dollars


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Monday, January 14, 2008

A major announcement involving transportation improvements throughout B.C. will be made today.

BRITISH COLUMBIA - A Lower Mainland transit and transportation plan, billed as one of the biggest capital projects in B.C. history, is expected to be unveiled today by Premier Gordon Campbell.

On Sunday, Dale Steeves, a spokesman for Campbell, said the project will involve many cities - including municipalities both inside and outside the Lower Mainland - and will involve multiple billions of dollars in spending commitments.

"It will be one of the biggest, if not the biggest, capital projects in the history of the province," Steeves told The Vancouver Sun on Sunday evening.

The plan involves funding and a final route plan for the Evergreen SkyTrain Line to the northeast suburbs, rapid transit to the Fraser Valley, and the Millennium Line extension in Vancouver to the University of B.C., according to Global BC.

It comes about one month before the provincial budget and is an opportunity to showcase billions in new spending without the distractions associated with budget day.

In December, Finance Minister Carole Taylor predicted B.C. will have a surplus of $2.1 billion for the 2007-08 fiscal year. Taylor has remained quiet on what will be in her Feb. 19 budget, but last week spoke about the possibility of a provincial carbon tax.

In that discussion, Taylor said all of the carbon tax proposals she has been reviewing include a promise of revenue neutrality. She added this neutrality can either come from lowering other taxes, or by spending the money on projects aimed at reducing emissions.

"[One] possibility is you take those dollars in and you put them back out into technology that helps with climate change - for instance buses," she said.

Lower Mainland mayors have been invited to today's provincial announcement. But all say the provincial government has been exceptionally tight-lipped about what might be in it, which is frustrating for many mayors who have been waiting anxiously for months for announcements on critically needed transit projects in their regions.

"We're in the dark and when you're in the dark, it's pretty tough to guess what's coming down the pike," said Surrey Mayor Dianne Watts.

Watts, along with three other Fraser Valley mayors, made a special pitch last fall to Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon for help in boosting transit service for the booming valley suburbs.

"We need to see some of that improvement straight away. We absolutely need improved bus service now," she said.

Watts said that, although transit funding is much needed, it's difficult to see decisions dropped on the region out of the blue without any input from the affected municipalities. [Welcome to the new Translink -SFUVancouver] Watts is also the chair of the new Council of Mayors in the recently reorganized TransLink.

The south of Fraser mayors want to see a new rapid-bus system, with one segment of it leading the way for a future expansion of SkyTrain.

Port Moody Mayor Joe Trasolini expressed a similar mix of hope and frustration. Trasolini has been waiting for more than a year to hear from the provincial government that it will provide the last $400 million needed to build the Evergreen Line, the light-rail extension to the existing Millennium line that is supposed to run east from Lougheed Centre in Coquitlam to the northeast suburbs.

He has no idea what is coming.

"I just got an e-mail from [the Transportation Ministry] saying to be there. I would have hoped to have a heads up."

Evergreen is "the obvious project," he said, but he doesn't want to get his hopes up because he's been promised the money for so long.

In Vancouver, Mayor Sam Sullivan has also been invited to the announcement. His communications manager, David Hurford, said the mayor is looking forward to the announcement "with anticipation" but he wouldn't speculate on what Vancouver might hope to get.

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Old January 14th, 2008, 12:06 PM   #2356
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But frankly, if transit was scaled up south of the Fraser to the point where it could reshape development and redirect growth while addressing car-dependence, it would also recast the criticism of Gateway. SkyTrain all the way to UBC would be stunning.
Interesting mr.x, recasting criticism on Gateway? Would this also mean recasting criticism on Kevin Falcon?
I am really confused now.
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Old January 14th, 2008, 09:59 PM   #2357
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So here's the big news enjoy



$14 billion for B.C. transit
Campbell unveils transit vision for Metro Vancouver and across B.C.

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Monday, January 14, 2008



CREDIT: Ian Smith/Vancouver Sun Files
Premier Gordon Campbell

VANCOUVER - Premier Gordon Campbell has announced a $14 billion new transit plan for B.C.

The plan will double the number of buses throughout the province by 2020, and will bring two new rapid transit lines -- the Evergreen Line, a line to the University of British Columbia - as well as upgrades to the existing Expo Line.

The Evergreen line is expected to cost about $1.4 billion and could be finished as early as 2012.

The UBC line will cost about $2.8 billion, and will be finished around 2020, Campbell said.

On the Expo line, Campbell said his government is proposing significant upgrades to the Expo Line so it can accommodate more capacity.

"These are significant investments," Campbell said on Monday morning.

Campbell said his plan also calls for $1.2 billion for a high capacity high speed bus service along routes in Kelowna, Victoria and Metro Vancouver.

"This plan will provide fast, reliable, green transit that acts as a catalyst to change the nature and form of all our communities - urban, suburban and rural," Campbell said in a news release.

In that same news release, Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon said the new plan will bring significant benefits to people across the province.

"The transit plan sets out innovative, integrated, customized solutions for individual communities to keep people and goods moving efficiently in B.C. as part of our broader transportation strategy," said Falcon.

"Increased transit will allow people more choice, and often time savings. For example, during peak periods, transit riders travelling between Coquitlam Centre and Vancouver International Airport can save more than an hour every day compared to drivers."
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Old January 14th, 2008, 10:31 PM   #2358
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OMG...O_O

Gordon Campbell, you have my vote for the next 1000 years. This is what I have always dreamed of.





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wait...isn't the Evergreen line on the southern alignment with skytrain technology?
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wait...isn't the Evergreen line on the southern alignment with skytrain technology?
we still don't know, but it will be SkyTrain. the diagram shows the conceptual routes.
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